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Anonymous wrote:OP here - I should clarify. My daughter is not an "open advocate" of gay marriage or abortion...not really sure where that came from?

Then she should be fine at either of these schools.

Thanks for the post. I just know she may not be comfortable at a school that focuses on issues like gay marriage and abortion - of course, we all (including her) know the church's stances on them, but I was curious to find out if these two schools are uber-Catholic and you have to be completely in line to fit in, or (to use a really bad analogy) it's more like say, Georgetown University or Boston College, where obviously you should know going in what they believe, but you're also not going to be publicly shamed or anything if you happen to mention you aren't against gay marriage, or whatever.

No, I don't think these schools' leadership and teaching style run to shunning or creating social dynamics that do. That said, perhaps more salient than gay marriage or abortion discussions, your daughter probably will be taught sex ed through the lens of the virtues of natural family planning and the dangers of "the contraceptive lifestyle" (I got a refresher course on this when I married in the ADW a couple years ago, which is why it springs to mind). So, you probably want to be prepared to have a concrete talk with her about methods of contraception you think it important for her to know about, if there are some besides NFP, and she (and, like, most of the rest of the class) will get some practice in smiling nicely through lessons they may think are nuts. That said, she may well feel pressured to join in pro-life advocacy type things and you may want to talk through with her how it'd feel to opt out (or, go along, if it were a school sponsored thing).

Anonymous wrote:its 2014 people.

my daughter is a current junior at Visi. I have no idea what she does with her BF (I have had the sex talk with her several times). Anyways, if she were to get knocked up by her 18 year old boyfriend who attends Gonzaga, both my husband and I would be in favor of her having an abortion. Financially we just could not afford to take one another child into our family nor are they responsbile enough to take care of a new born.

Should I consider myself a bad Cathlic for believing this.

I am not in a position to judge what kind of Catholic you are. But Catholic social teaching supports the dignity and life of all human beings, whether the poor, the immigrant, the person under a sentence of death and the unborn child. I hope our Catholic schools, whether Jesuit (Gonzaga) or Sisters of the Visitation (Visitation), are educating their students about the social justice teachings of the Church, of course within the context academic freedom and discussion, and supporting their students to live out these teachings. No pregnant woman or girl, should find themselves in a position where abortion seems to be the only choice because of finances or other responsibilities.

OP do not to send your daughter to Visi because word on DCUM is that plenty of girls there have abortions

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It was very hard for my younger brother and cousins who attended public schools in this area a decade ago. Anti-Catholic jokes were considered socially acceptable. My older daughter attended public school here until 3 years ago and she reported at lot of anti-Catholic bigotry in secondary school. Teachers were often the source of factually wrong and prejudicial statements about Catholic beliefs and practices. I once had to email a principal because a teacher included the statement "Catholics worshiped the Virgin Mary." on a worksheet about Irish immigration to the U.S. I told the teacher this was wrong and inflammatory. She refused to change it, arguing it was her understanding. The principal told her to change it after I threatened to go above his head.

Well done!

Anonymous wrote:So priest can continue to moleste little boys and girls and are viewed as demi - Gods and hide in the church.

I attend church as frequently as my schedule permits (maybe 2 - 3x a month) but I'm 100% pro choice and I'm viewed as a bad catholic.

Apples and oranges, but I sympathise with you very strongly.

Look up St. Peter Damien, Church Doctor, and what he has to say about creeps who prey on little boys or girls. He knew what to do.

I am an SR alum and current parent. I can only think of one teacher that would care if a student was pro choice and can't imagine anyone on the faculty or staff being vocal if they are against same sex marriage. The lesson that stuck with me and that I hope I have taught my daughter is to respect the views of others. I am pro life and support same sex marriage. Who really cares. In the 11 years I have been a parent, I have never had a pro choice versus pro life debate with another member of the community. The goal at SR is to educate strong independent women. Your daughter will not have to hide her beliefs if she attends.

Anonymous wrote:its 2014 people.

my daughter is a current junior at Visi. I have no idea what she does with her BF (I have had the sex talk with her several times). Anyways, if she were to get knocked up by her 18 year old boyfriend who attends Gonzaga, both my husband and I would be in favor of her having an abortion. Financially we just could not afford to take one another child into our family nor are they responsbile enough to take care of a new born.

Should I consider myself a bad Cathlic for believing this.

Unfortunately yes. Your daughter would be excommunicated latea sententia for killing her unborn baby.

Catholics are not supposed to us contraception for God's sake, well for the Catholic Church's sake that is really...

Plenty of girls in my class at Visitation HAD abortions, so there's that.

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Anonymous wrote:its 2014 people.

my daughter is a current junior at Visi. I have no idea what she does with her BF (I have had the sex talk with her several times). Anyways, if she were to get knocked up by her 18 year old boyfriend who attends Gonzaga, both my husband and I would be in favor of her having an abortion. Financially we just could not afford to take one another child into our family nor are they responsbile enough to take care of a new born.

Should I consider myself a bad Cathlic for believing this.

I don't think you'd be a bad Catholic. That's between you and God. However, they could have the baby and give it up for adoption, but your first thought is abortion.

Adoption solves the problem of having a child you don't want to, or feel you can't, raise. It doesn't solve the problem of being pregnant when you don't want to be pregnant, or giving birth when you don't want to give birth.

But the reasons you gave were about the expense and responsibility involved in caring for a newborn, not the experience of being pregnant.

I suggest that you talk with your daughter about protecting herself from pregnancy and sexual transmitted diseases. Be sure she knows that you expect her to have an abortion if she gets pregnant. Otherwise, she'll be absolutely clueless when you approach her with the abortion pills.

So priest can continue to moleste little boys and girls and are viewed as demi - Gods and hide in the church.

I attend church as frequently as my schedule permits (maybe 2 - 3x a month) but I'm 100% pro choice and I'm viewed as a bad catholic.

Anonymous wrote:Could we please get back to the topic of whether or not a moderately liberal girl would be OK at SR or Visi?

The answer is as long as she doesn't publicize the fact that she's pro-choice she will be fine.

Could we please get back to the topic of whether or not a moderately liberal girl would be OK at SR or Visi?

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Anonymous wrote:its 2014 people.

my daughter is a current junior at Visi. I have no idea what she does with her BF (I have had the sex talk with her several times). Anyways, if she were to get knocked up by her 18 year old boyfriend who attends Gonzaga, both my husband and I would be in favor of her having an abortion. Financially we just could not afford to take one another child into our family nor are they responsbile enough to take care of a new born.

Should I consider myself a bad Cathlic for believing this.

Yes, you shouldn't even consider yourself a Catholic if these are your views. The Church is very clear that it believes abortion is murder.

Pope Francis, is that you posting on DCUM to tell people whether they are or aren't Catholic?

(Actually that doesn't sound like something Pope Francis would do.)

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Anonymous wrote:its 2014 people.

my daughter is a current junior at Visi. I have no idea what she does with her BF (I have had the sex talk with her several times). Anyways, if she were to get knocked up by her 18 year old boyfriend who attends Gonzaga, both my husband and I would be in favor of her having an abortion. Financially we just could not afford to take one another child into our family nor are they responsbile enough to take care of a new born.

Should I consider myself a bad Cathlic for believing this.

I don't think you'd be a bad Catholic. That's between you and God. However, they could have the baby and give it up for adoption, but your first thought is abortion.

Adoption solves the problem of having a child you don't want to, or feel you can't, raise. It doesn't solve the problem of being pregnant when you don't want to be pregnant, or giving birth when you don't want to give birth.