Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 21:04     Subject: Re:s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Well, by all means, we should only teach what the children are excited about

Wow. Aren't you special. Please tell me how a child is supposed to name the author and illustrator of a book she has never seen?

Sweetie, the standard doesn't say they should know things they've never seen. We're talking about a book they've been read, and discussed and with PROMPTING AND SUPPORT from an adult. Pretty basic. Who's defensive? You, apparently.




Oh, so all the child has to do is parrot it back?.. Thanks Honey. That's a great standard! Lots of little robots.




You have a real problem with hyperbole and drama, don't you? Get a Xanax and calm the fuck down.
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No, FUCK YOU! Not when my kid is being decimated by this mother fucking Common Core.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 21:04     Subject: Re:s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does it say that they have to have the author and illustrator memorized, or just understand what those are and figure them from looking at the book? Pretty sure it's the latter. Not that hard.


Exactly. My kid understood that as a 3 yo. Not difficult concepts for even an average kid to grasp.


Thousands of teachers and hundreds of thousands of parents disagree with you.


Well, I'm sorry so many people have such low expectations for their children. I don't think my kid is a genius for grasping basic concepts at a developmentally appropriate age.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 21:03     Subject: s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:These are utterly reasonable and quite clear enough. My PK4 son who just turned five can already do most of these. With a good teacher most kids should get there by the end of K.


Great! Can we test him on the 90 standards then, for hours and hours? Hold him back if he doesn't pass? Cancel his art and music and gym? Force him to go to summer school?

Because that is what is being done all around the country.


Again, that's curriculum and assessment, NOT standards. I'm the first one to criticize the testing culture, but it doesn't mean the standards are bad


All one and the same. You cannot separate.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 21:03     Subject: Re:s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Well, by all means, we should only teach what the children are excited about

Wow. Aren't you special. Please tell me how a child is supposed to name the author and illustrator of a book she has never seen?

Sweetie, the standard doesn't say they should know things they've never seen. We're talking about a book they've been read, and discussed and with PROMPTING AND SUPPORT from an adult. Pretty basic. Who's defensive? You, apparently.




Oh, so all the child has to do is parrot it back?.. Thanks Honey. That's a great standard! Lots of little robots.


You have a real problem with hyperbole and drama, don't you? Get a Xanax and calm the fuck down.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 21:03     Subject: Re:s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does it say that they have to have the author and illustrator memorized, or just understand what those are and figure them from looking at the book? Pretty sure it's the latter. Not that hard.


Exactly. My kid understood that as a 3 yo. Not difficult concepts for even an average kid to grasp.


Thousands of teachers and hundreds of thousands of parents disagree with you.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 21:01     Subject: s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:These are utterly reasonable and quite clear enough. My PK4 son who just turned five can already do most of these. With a good teacher most kids should get there by the end of K.


Great! Can we test him on the 90 standards then, for hours and hours? Hold him back if he doesn't pass? Cancel his art and music and gym? Force him to go to summer school?

Because that is what is being done all around the country.


Again, that's curriculum and assessment, NOT standards. I'm the first one to criticize the testing culture, but it doesn't mean the standards are bad
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 21:00     Subject: Re:s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
Anonymous wrote:Does it say that they have to have the author and illustrator memorized, or just understand what those are and figure them from looking at the book? Pretty sure it's the latter. Not that hard.


Exactly. My kid understood that as a 3 yo. Not difficult concepts for even an average kid to grasp.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 20:57     Subject: Re:s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
Anonymous wrote:
But I thought standardized testing didn't start until 3rd grade. Is it in kindergarden now?


Oh. So the standards don't matter until they are in third? And, then they have to work,work, work?


They won't be tested on mastery of the standards, until 3rd grade, on the PARCC (or other test) to reflect the fact that such standardized testing isn't appropriate in early elementary.

Nevertheless, students should be taught to reach the standards in earlier grades.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 20:55     Subject: Re:s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
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Okay, so how do YOU suggest that we set expectations and curriculum for public schools, without raising taxes that most voters would reject?




What good teachers have always done: take each child and push and pull him as far as possible. Some start low, so that's where you start. Some start high--and you take thenm higher.


And THIS is why there's an achievement gap. When teachers don't have the same (or higher) goals for all, some kids who start lower, never catch up. This is the mentality that explains why that happens.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 20:47     Subject: s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
My kindergartener can probably do all of these things. For every standard it says "with prompting and support. . ." So yes, with prompting and support, DD could do all of them Tonight she requested we read a book of poetry instead of a story, so I know that she knows what poems are.

She is in public school in PG county.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 20:33     Subject: Re:s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
But I thought standardized testing didn't start until 3rd grade. Is it in kindergarden now?


Oh. So the standards don't matter until they are in third? And, then they have to work,work, work?
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 20:33     Subject: s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
Also, schools have been cutting music, arts, etc. for years due to budget cuts. Way before common core. Haven't you been paying attention?
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 20:31     Subject: s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:These are utterly reasonable and quite clear enough. My PK4 son who just turned five can already do most of these. With a good teacher most kids should get there by the end of K.


Great! Can we test him on the 90 standards then, for hours and hours? Hold him back if he doesn't pass? Cancel his art and music and gym? Force him to go to summer school?

Because that is what is being done all around the country.


But I thought standardized testing didn't start until 3rd grade. Is it in kindergarden now?
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 20:20     Subject: Re:s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?
Okay, so how do YOU suggest that we set expectations and curriculum for public schools, without raising taxes that most voters would reject?




What good teachers have always done: take each child and push and pull him as far as possible. Some start low, so that's where you start. Some start high--and you take thenm higher.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2014 20:06     Subject: Re:s/o Are these standards to hard for Kindergarten students?

Anonymous wrote:
Well, by all means, we should only teach what the children are excited about

Wow. Aren't you special. Please tell me how a child is supposed to name the author and illustrator of a book she has never seen?

Sweetie, the standard doesn't say they should know things they've never seen. We're talking about a book they've been read, and discussed and with PROMPTING AND SUPPORT from an adult. Pretty basic. Who's defensive? You, apparently.




Oh, so all the child has to do is parrot it back?.. Thanks Honey. That's a great standard! Lots of little robots.