I have a low IQ. Can someone explain that? Using small words?

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Anonymous wrote:As IQ goes up the greater the difference between intervals. So there is a a greater difference in IQ between an IQ of 140 and 130, than 130 and 120 and so on!

I've never heard that, what's your source?

I believe the PP was describing the tails of the normal curve:

http://www.csus.edu/indiv/b/brocks/Courses/EDS%20250/EDS%20250/Handouts/11/Descrptive%20Statistics%20and%20the%20Normal%20Curve.pdf

I'm familiar with a normal distribution. That doesn't mean that there is a bigger difference between a 120 and a 130 vs. a 130 and 140.

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Anonymous wrote:As IQ goes up the greater the difference between intervals. So there is a a greater difference in IQ between an IQ of 140 and 130, than 130 and 120 and so on!

I've never heard that, what's your source?

I believe the PP was describing the tails of the normal curve:

http://www.csus.edu/indiv/b/brocks/Courses/EDS%20250/EDS%20250/Handouts/11/Descrptive%20Statistics%20and%20the%20Normal%20Curve.pdf

Anonymous wrote:As IQ goes up the greater the difference between intervals. So there is a a greater difference in IQ between an IQ of 140 and 130, than 130 and 120 and so on!

I've never heard that, what's your source?

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Anonymous wrote:NP here- come 'on- the 119 poster is one of the many AAP haters trying to bash who gets in (or make "their" point) - it's not an legit AAP mom.

BS. I hear this kind of information IRL from parents with kids in the center school and those trying to get their kids in. You can dismiss it as much as you'd like, but it's very much a fact that kids admitted to AAP don't necessarily have above-average IQs. Why would they? It's not a gifted program.

A 119 is well above average, that's about about 88th percentile. Not gifted, but definitely bright. IQ > 109 is considered above average. I don't why some are surprised that kids can have higher cogat scores than IQ. The Cogat tests developed abilities, which are affected both by IQ and environment. Some kids are going to do better on the WISC, others are going to do better on the Cogat/NNAT. None of these tests are perfect and measure different abilities. Using imperfect information to make admission decisions is better than having no information at all.

The point is that many of you claim only "gifted" kids will get into AAP; that's certainly not true. Kids with average/above average IQs are not gifted, yet tons of them are admitted every year.

I really haven't seen anyone claim that. No one really know what the percentages are of kids in AAP who are gifted vs. bright. The point is that they are using the same or similar criteria as other gifted programs in other districts. Are some kids sent to AAP who aren't gifted? Yes. Are some kids in general education actually gifted? Yes. Are there many more gifted children in AAP than in general education? Yes.

Does it even matter? A kid at the 95th percentile (iq 125) isn't going to act significantly different than a kid at the 98th percentile (IQ 130). They have to draw an arbitrary line somewhere, and anyone just below that line is going to be irritated that their child didn't quite make it. It's not as if that 125 or 120 kid is going to be slowing down the class significantly. And predicting which kid with a 135 cogat score for example has an iq of 125 and which has an iq of 145 is not always easy to tell, especially in an second grade child.

Which is exactly the argument for simply making AAP the regular curriculum - for all. Since so many AAP decisions are just that - arbitrary - there should be no need to divide up two very similar groups of kids in the first place. Unfortunately, there are too many parents who love the feeling of exclusivity they get knowing their kids are in one group that is separate from the other. The reality is that with a few exceptions, most of these kids could mix academically just fine, if there were flexible ability groupings that all could cycle into and out of, depending on strengths and weaknesses.

FCPS would be a much saner, more pleasant system if the madness behind AAP admissions would just disappear.

Yeah, you're forgetting the fact that not all kids have an IQ of 120, 125 or whatever we define as a borderline score. There are plenty of kids in the 90-110 range and the AAP curriculum is probably not appropriate for those kids. Feel free to petition for a more rigorous curriculum though if you don't feel that your child's needs are being met. Life is not about labels.

As IQ goes up the greater the difference between intervals. So there is a a greater difference in IQ between an IQ of 140 and 130, than 130 and 120 and so on!

WISC 149, CogAT 146

Anonymous wrote:FCPS would be a much saner, more pleasant system if the madness behind AAP admissions would just disappear.

A fabulous reason why FCPs should be focusing on fidelity of implementation for Levels II and III and not simply focus on Level IV of AAP.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here- come 'on- the 119 poster is one of the many AAP haters trying to bash who gets in (or make "their" point) - it's not an legit AAP mom.

BS. I hear this kind of information IRL from parents with kids in the center school and those trying to get their kids in. You can dismiss it as much as you'd like, but it's very much a fact that kids admitted to AAP don't necessarily have above-average IQs. Why would they? It's not a gifted program.

A 119 is well above average, that's about about 88th percentile. Not gifted, but definitely bright. IQ > 109 is considered above average. I don't why some are surprised that kids can have higher cogat scores than IQ. The Cogat tests developed abilities, which are affected both by IQ and environment. Some kids are going to do better on the WISC, others are going to do better on the Cogat/NNAT. None of these tests are perfect and measure different abilities. Using imperfect information to make admission decisions is better than having no information at all.

The point is that many of you claim only "gifted" kids will get into AAP; that's certainly not true. Kids with average/above average IQs are not gifted, yet tons of them are admitted every year.

I really haven't seen anyone claim that. No one really know what the percentages are of kids in AAP who are gifted vs. bright. The point is that they are using the same or similar criteria as other gifted programs in other districts. Are some kids sent to AAP who aren't gifted? Yes. Are some kids in general education actually gifted? Yes. Are there many more gifted children in AAP than in general education? Yes.

Does it even matter? A kid at the 95th percentile (iq 125) isn't going to act significantly different than a kid at the 98th percentile (IQ 130). They have to draw an arbitrary line somewhere, and anyone just below that line is going to be irritated that their child didn't quite make it. It's not as if that 125 or 120 kid is going to be slowing down the class significantly. And predicting which kid with a 135 cogat score for example has an iq of 125 and which has an iq of 145 is not always easy to tell, especially in an second grade child.

Which is exactly the argument for simply making AAP the regular curriculum - for all. Since so many AAP decisions are just that - arbitrary - there should be no need to divide up two very similar groups of kids in the first place. Unfortunately, there are too many parents who love the feeling of exclusivity they get knowing their kids are in one group that is separate from the other. The reality is that with a few exceptions, most of these kids could mix academically just fine, if there were flexible ability groupings that all could cycle into and out of, depending on strengths and weaknesses.

FCPS would be a much saner, more pleasant system if the madness behind AAP admissions would just disappear.

It only matters because schools haven't figured out how to tailor learning to the student. When I was a at CTY back in the day every kid was on a different page of their math book and you learned exactly as fast as you were capable of. Only way you can get anything like that now is to teach your kids yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here- come 'on- the 119 poster is one of the many AAP haters trying to bash who gets in (or make "their" point) - it's not an legit AAP mom.

BS. I hear this kind of information IRL from parents with kids in the center school and those trying to get their kids in. You can dismiss it as much as you'd like, but it's very much a fact that kids admitted to AAP don't necessarily have above-average IQs. Why would they? It's not a gifted program.

A 119 is well above average, that's about about 88th percentile. Not gifted, but definitely bright. IQ > 109 is considered above average. I don't why some are surprised that kids can have higher cogat scores than IQ. The Cogat tests developed abilities, which are affected both by IQ and environment. Some kids are going to do better on the WISC, others are going to do better on the Cogat/NNAT. None of these tests are perfect and measure different abilities. Using imperfect information to make admission decisions is better than having no information at all.

The point is that many of you claim only "gifted" kids will get into AAP; that's certainly not true. Kids with average/above average IQs are not gifted, yet tons of them are admitted every year.

I really haven't seen anyone claim that. No one really know what the percentages are of kids in AAP who are gifted vs. bright. The point is that they are using the same or similar criteria as other gifted programs in other districts. Are some kids sent to AAP who aren't gifted? Yes. Are some kids in general education actually gifted? Yes. Are there many more gifted children in AAP than in general education? Yes.

Does it even matter? A kid at the 95th percentile (iq 125) isn't going to act significantly different than a kid at the 98th percentile (IQ 130). They have to draw an arbitrary line somewhere, and anyone just below that line is going to be irritated that their child didn't quite make it. It's not as if that 125 or 120 kid is going to be slowing down the class significantly. And predicting which kid with a 135 cogat score for example has an iq of 125 and which has an iq of 145 is not always easy to tell, especially in an second grade child.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here- come 'on- the 119 poster is one of the many AAP haters trying to bash who gets in (or make "their" point) - it's not an legit AAP mom.

BS. I hear this kind of information IRL from parents with kids in the center school and those trying to get their kids in. You can dismiss it as much as you'd like, but it's very much a fact that kids admitted to AAP don't necessarily have above-average IQs. Why would they? It's not a gifted program.

A 119 is well above average, that's about about 88th percentile. Not gifted, but definitely bright. IQ > 109 is considered above average. I don't why some are surprised that kids can have higher cogat scores than IQ. The Cogat tests developed abilities, which are affected both by IQ and environment. Some kids are going to do better on the WISC, others are going to do better on the Cogat/NNAT. None of these tests are perfect and measure different abilities. Using imperfect information to make admission decisions is better than having no information at all.

The point is that many of you claim only "gifted" kids will get into AAP; that's certainly not true. Kids with average/above average IQs are not gifted, yet tons of them are admitted every year.

My DS's IQ is 122 and he got in with his NNAT score. The only reason we had his IQ is because the school tested him due to behavioral challenges. He has both ADHD and autism and I doubt we will send him to the AAP center school as we are not confident the school will give the support he needs.

Dd 148 9th grade
Ds 157 5th grade

Dd was in GT when it became AAP and was with a strong cohort of kids through elementary and middle school.

Ds's third grade AAP center class was literally like a step down in rigor from second grade, plus the particular cohort of kids had a lot of behavior issued that made it seem more like a circus than school. We pulled him out to homeschool and he's now doing what our freshman is doing in several subjects.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here- come 'on- the 119 poster is one of the many AAP haters trying to bash who gets in (or make "their" point) - it's not an legit AAP mom.

BS. I hear this kind of information IRL from parents with kids in the center school and those trying to get their kids in. You can dismiss it as much as you'd like, but it's very much a fact that kids admitted to AAP don't necessarily have above-average IQs. Why would they? It's not a gifted program.

119 is an above average IQ.