jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i fully supported medicare for all or public option scheme...

these ocare numbers are terrible.

and i wonder what will happen when the employer mandate kicks in.

I definitely believe by 2016, we will see a progressive in the D primaries destroying ocare as a sellout to insurers and pharma and drive for public option, single payer

I am a supporter of single payer . . .

Well, of course you are. What socialist doesn't support single payer/complete government control?

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, the conservative excuse machine is fired up!

I really don't think anyone needs to be offering any excuses or eating crow except for the "capable"? and "experienced?" people who were selected and paid "millions"? to developed the website.

The poster who thought that I was from a different planet because I predicted more than a million people would enroll through the exchanges needs to eat crow. I demand satisfaction.

I'm not the 1 million poster, but I am the poster who bet that there would be a net LOSS of insured people on Jan. 1. Let's see, 5 million have lost their insurance and 1 million have "enrolled." I demand satisfaction!

P.S. -- the 1 million is NOT the number of people who actually have health insurance, by the way. It's the number who have put in applications. No news on how many have actually paid the first premium (particularly since it's not clear that the payment processing part of the web site even works).

I will give you the satisfaction of learning basic math:

1 million enrolled on the federal exchange + 1 million enrolled on state exchanges + 4 million enrolled in expanded Medicaid = 6 million.

6 million > 5 million.

So, there is a net gain of insured people.

You lost your bet.

Do any more Obamacare opponents want to make wagers?

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, the conservative excuse machine is fired up!

I really don't think anyone needs to be offering any excuses or eating crow except for the "capable"? and "experienced?" people who were selected and paid "millions"? to developed the website.

The poster who thought that I was from a different planet because I predicted more than a million people would enroll through the exchanges needs to eat crow. I demand satisfaction.

I'm not the 1 million poster, but I am the poster who bet that there would be a net LOSS of insured people on Jan. 1. Let's see, 5 million have lost their insurance and 1 million have "enrolled." I demand satisfaction!

P.S. -- the 1 million is NOT the number of people who actually have health insurance, by the way. It's the number who have put in applications. No news on how many have actually paid the first premium (particularly since it's not clear that the payment processing part of the web site even works).

If you actually did your accounting, you would realize that there are 2 million on the exchanges, plus four million who are now on Medicaid. On the other hand you have nothing to demonstrate how many of your five million are actually without insurance. You only know that their current plan was canceled.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, the conservative excuse machine is fired up!

I really don't think anyone needs to be offering any excuses or eating crow except for the "capable"? and "experienced?" people who were selected and paid "millions"? to developed the website.

The poster who thought that I was from a different planet because I predicted more than a million people would enroll through the exchanges needs to eat crow. I demand satisfaction.

I'm not the 1 million poster, but I am the poster who bet that there would be a net LOSS of insured people on Jan. 1. Let's see, 5 million have lost their insurance and 1 million have "enrolled." I demand satisfaction!

P.S. -- the 1 million is NOT the number of people who actually have health insurance, by the way. It's the number who have put in applications. No news on how many have actually paid the first premium (particularly since it's not clear that the payment processing part of the web site even works).

Interesting piece By film maker, Michael Moore, in today's NYT.
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The 1 million people who enrolled in health insurance exchange
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How do you know that a lot of them didn't already have insurance?

The 1 million people who enrolled in health insurance exchange

Anonymous wrote:Thank goodness. I hated going to the emergency and getting sick. Now they will all be treated by their own doctors

Who is "they"?

Thank goodness. I hated going to the emergency and getting sick. Now they will all be treated by their own doctors

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sugning up and paying are different. Plenty of people sign
Up for hotels, car rentals, etc but never follow through. If you subtract those that are simply now on Medicare (welfare) and those who were forced on through cancelled plans, that's the real number of truly interested people. Note I did not say Americans....

Reality is not moving the goalposts. Reality is not a game, nor is the sharing of wealth.

The point the pp was making is that Jeff was responding to a specific bet about 1M people signing up. So, if that's the criterion, he won the bet. Of course there are still a lot of problems with Obamacare. We don't all agree on what they are but most of us acknowledge that there are problems. But that's a different matter from the bet.

who cares just more poeple relying on the government to take care of them

Anonymous wrote:Not the poster you made a bet with, but are you really spinning this as a "win" for Obamacare?

What's the estimate of people who lost coverage because their previous plans were cancelled - about 4 to 5 million? So 1 million through healthcare.gov and another 1 million through state exchanges?

Great, so we're at -2M to -3M net enrollment.

You just counted all of the 4-5 million people as uninsured. That's a fallacy. They could have chosen alternative plans offered to them or plans not offered on the exchange, or chosen to go on a spouse's plan. All that you know is that a policy was canceled because it is no longer offered.

Anonymous wrote:i fully supported medicare for all or public option scheme...

these ocare numbers are terrible.

and i wonder what will happen when the employer mandate kicks in.

I definitely believe by 2016, we will see a progressive in the D primaries destroying ocare as a sellout to insurers and pharma and drive for public option, single payer

I am a supporter of single payer and supported a public option as part of Obamacare. There are a number of features of Obamacare with which I don't agree. But, the reality is this is the plan we have. If it fails, the alternative is not going to be single payer. I'm not sure what the alternative will be, but it will be even more in the hands of the private sector. Obviously, a failure of Obamacare is a failure of government-led healthcare. That's not the sort of thing that leads to even more government-led healthcare.

If you want single payer, then hope for success of expanded Medicaid. Do your best to let the residents of the states that didn't accept expanded Medicaid know what they are missing out on. And, hope for the overall success of Obamacare in order to dispel the notion that that Government can do anything right.

Also, I'm not sure why you think the numbers are terrible. If 1 million were enrolled in the federal exchange and another million in the state exchanges and 4 million covered under expanded Medicaid, that's six million, which is a pretty good start given the problems early on. Not only were there technical problems, but a continuous flow of negative stories and active campaigning by Republicans to discourage enrollment.

i fully supported medicare for all or public option scheme...

these ocare numbers are terrible.

and i wonder what will happen when the employer mandate kicks in.

I definitely believe by 2016, we will see a progressive in the D primaries destroying ocare as a sellout to insurers and pharma and drive for public option, single payer

Not the poster you made a bet with, but are you really spinning this as a "win" for Obamacare?

What's the estimate of people who lost coverage because their previous plans were cancelled - about 4 to 5 million? So 1 million through healthcare.gov and another 1 million through state exchanges?

Great, so we're at -2M to -3M net enrollment.