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Anonymous wrote:I'm going to get flamed for this, but here goes...some of the most misbehaved children I know are diagnosed with ADHD. Interestingly enough, their parents are the most ineffective, passive and permissive adults.

I've yet to meet a child with ADHD who's raised in a strict but loving, disciplined household with firm limits, consistent boundaries, a set schedule and a healthy dose of the word n and benign neglect as needed. We're raising self-centered, entitled brats.

Go ahead, tell me that you are raising your child this way and he/she is gifted, healthy, quirky, etc. but despite your loving interventions...

We've gotten so afraid of blaming Mother or accusing the parents of neglect that experts tend to gloss over or claim the home environment is relevant.

You are an ignorant ass - this much I know for sure.

How do you explain my mature, non-impulsive, independent DD? She is being raised exactly the same way - and with the same parents as my immature, highly impulsive and very dependent ADHD & LD DS?

Maybe DD is being raised by you?

It's really not possible for anyone here to explain to you, your very different children, nor how you may relate differently with each one of them. Sorry.

Anonymous wrote:Some MD's say it's cheaper than counselling, so poor kids get the pills to.

Another dumb ass

Yes, counseling is going to do wonders for my 6 yr old. I can just see it now... "So Johnny, how does your impulsive behavior effect you in school and at home every day?.....How do you think you can change your behavior so that this doesn't happen anymore...." Your MD is a quack who's been living in a cave for the past 40 yrs.

I can tell you that as a mom who also has ADHD, but was only recently diagnosed and medicated due to backwards thinking like your MD's 30 yrs ago - when I take my medication my mind is clear, organized and I process information and am able to think critically. Had I been diagnosed as a child my life would have been very different. I was nearly suicidal in grade school and high school because I felt worthless, stupid and like a 1 legged stool. I struggled every second of my academic life. Always the underachiever. Studying for days and getting a C on a final. Yeah my life was fun.

Had I been medicated as a child, I probably would have gone to medical school or law school. Instead I struggled through community college and eventually got my BS.
No amount of counseling and behavioral modification would have helped me. Only meds! I will go to my grave knowing and believing that.

Anonymous wrote:I'm going to get flamed for this, but here goes...some of the most misbehaved children I know are diagnosed with ADHD. Interestingly enough, their parents are the most ineffective, passive and permissive adults.

I've yet to meet a child with ADHD who's raised in a strict but loving, disciplined household with firm limits, consistent boundaries, a set schedule and a healthy dose of the word n and benign neglect as needed. We're raising self-centered, entitled brats.

Go ahead, tell me that you are raising your child this way and he/she is gifted, healthy, quirky, etc. but despite your loving interventions...

We've gotten so afraid of blaming Mother or accusing the parents of neglect that experts tend to gloss over or claim the home environment is relevant.

You are an ignorant ass - this much I know for sure.

How do you explain my mature, non-impulsive, independent DD? She is being raised exactly the same way - and with the same parents as my immature, highly impulsive and very dependent ADHD & LD DS?

Maybe DD is being raised by you?

Some MD's say it's cheaper than counselling, so poor kids get the pills to.

It's over prescribed in white kids and way under prescribed in AA and Hispanic kids.

Anonymous wrote:Anyone have any longterm studies of these meds?

A couple from NIMH:

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/news/science-news/2009/adhd-medication-treatment-associated-with-higher-academic-performance-in-elementary-school.shtml

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/news/science-news/2009/short-term-intensive-treatment-not-likely-to-improve-long-term-outcomes-for-children-with-adhd.shtml

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/trials/practical/mta/the-multimodal-treatment-of-attention-deficit-hyperactivity-disorder-study-mta-questions-and-answers.shtml

Anyone have any longterm studies of these meds?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh it's real. A lot if ADHD kids can't take mess because there so skinny and don't weight enough. The kids who eat like there is no tomorrow but burn it just by fidgeting.

DS cannot learn without his meds. I finally got diagnosed at age 46 after a whole life of wondering what the hell was wrong with me. I can literally feel the light turn on when I take them and I know when I forget to take them! huge difference. I wish I had been diagnosed and medicated as a child, my academic life would have been more successful.

+1 million Right there with you!

Stop the silliness. One size never fits all.

Anonymous wrote:I thought ADHD was just a lot of bunk and bad parenting UNTIL....you guessed it. I ended up with a child with ADHD. I have one biological child and one adopted child. Only my biological child has ADHD--hence, I don't buy your "bad parenting" argument. After my DC was diagnosed a lot of things fell into place looking back generations in DH's family.

I could have written this. I have two children (biological) one with, one without. And yes, I see tons of connections now.

Anonymous wrote:No one's problems "go away". But we can learn different ways of parenting.

So here's what you're saying --

1. Mothers cause ADHD.

2. It can't be cured.

3. If I would refuse to medicate my child, and change my parenting style because that is the morally correct thing to do.

Got it. It must be nice to live in your perfect world, with your perfect parenting and your perfect children, knowing that your complete superiority as a person and a parent has protected your child from developing neurological disorders.

I thought ADHD was just a lot of bunk and bad parenting UNTIL....you guessed it. I ended up with a child with ADHD. I have one biological child and one adopted child. Only my biological child has ADHD--hence, I don't buy your "bad parenting" argument. After my DC was diagnosed a lot of things fell into place looking back generations in DH's family.

No one's problems "go away". But we can learn different ways of parenting.

Anonymous wrote:I'm going to get flamed for this, but here goes...some of the most misbehaved children I know are diagnosed with ADHD. Interestingly enough, their parents are the most ineffective, passive and permissive adults.

I've yet to meet a child with ADHD who's raised in a strict but loving, disciplined household with firm limits, consistent boundaries, a set schedule and a healthy dose of the word n and benign neglect as needed. We're raising self-centered, entitled brats.

Go ahead, tell me that you are raising your child this way and he/she is gifted, healthy, quirky, etc. but despite your loving interventions...

We've gotten so afraid of blaming Mother or accusing the parents of neglect that experts tend to gloss over or claim the home environment is relevant.

I wish I could live in this world. If I could live in this world, I could get therapy and take parenting classes and then my child's problems would go away. I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Meds are the easiest and quickest way to go. Parents should complete some kind of required parent training class first. I see lots of poor parenting skills with many of these families.