Anonymous
12/07/2013 00:36
Subject: "Baby it's cold outside"
So none of you histrionic women ever tried to get a boyfriend to stay a little later when the wanted to leave to go meet up with friends, study for an exam, get away from your harping...and if you did by chance teasingly try to persuade him to stay you were just rapists lying in wait. This song and dance has been going on since the beginning if time. It is not in and of otself an indication of intent to rape. You are making huge unfounded leaps here. No one is forcing anyone to do anything. In the song, the woman is free to leave at any time. She is not restrained in anyway--she is playing along. You all are nuts.
Anonymous
12/06/2013 23:41
Subject: "Baby it's cold outside"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's still creepy. Sorry to ruin your precious memories, but it's a creepy date rapey song.
What's with the baby talk?
Excuse me. Let me translate it into PC Bullshit for you:
The song makes me deeply uncomfortable. Even though it was from a *different time*, I still find the lyrics to be extremely problematic. Here you have a woman who is worried for her reputation, alone in a situation with a man who is trying to subtly force himself on her. He tries to intoxicate her, refuses to get her things so that if she leaves she's at the mercy of the elements and basically does everything he can to take her agency away from her. This is the sort of man who sees women as objects to be conquered, used and discarded at his leisure. It's not some adorable little winter time carol for lovers to serenade each other with. At best it's a parable about how when we view human beings as sexual creatures males are always lauded for their studly prowess while females are branded as low and without worth. At it's worst it glorifies the type of man who feels no need to obtain a woman's consent before engaging in sexual activities with her.
You need therapy. And some whiskey, too.
And some sex.
Anonymous
12/06/2013 23:40
Subject: "Baby it's cold outside"
What a crock of shit. If she didn't want to be there she can get up and leave. You know...act like a grown-up. I think we have a bunch of helpless little girls on this forum not adult women. There is a lot of posturing and pretending these days but woman's lib and all it stood for is dead. Oh gee, a man tries to cajole me in to staying and I am just to weak and helpless to say no and leave. Oh, me oh my...what ever shall I do? There are rapists behind every door....
Anonymous
12/06/2013 23:40
Subject: "Baby it's cold outside"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A guy trying to convince a woman to sleep with him is not rape.
Convince? There's no presentation of pros and cons of sleeping with the scumbag. The song is straight up pressuring a woman to stay and sleep with him, and telling her to drink more to dull her senses. That's definitely rapist behavior.
You are taking this song so wrong.
I think you need to get laid.
Anonymous
12/06/2013 23:37
Subject: "Baby it's cold outside"
Anonymous wrote:I'm not a prude or a pearl-clutcher, but I've always found the words to "Baby It's Cold Outside" pretty rapey. The song is kind of smarmy and gross. Not a fan of Santa Baby, either.
Santa Baby gives me hives. Can't stand that song. Or "I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa."
Anonymous
12/06/2013 23:28
Subject: "Baby it's cold outside"
I'm not a prude or a pearl-clutcher, but I've always found the words to "Baby It's Cold Outside" pretty rapey. The song is kind of smarmy and gross. Not a fan of Santa Baby, either.
Anonymous
12/06/2013 22:13
Subject: "Baby it's cold outside"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's really a date rapey song. "Say,what's in this drink?", "the answer is no", "I really must go". Surprised it hasn't been scrubbed out of existence.
You honest to God think 'what's in this drink' refers to a drug, rather than a girl talking about the weakening of her own will?
You'd think you libbers would get her feeling this way, given women feel its ok to disrespect themselves anytime they get horny by having meaningless sex.
But of course, being a libber, you go straight to your man-bashing 'he's forcing her' logic. Sigh.
What an asinine post.
+1. PP, how do you get through the day?
Anonymous
12/06/2013 22:09
Subject: Re:"Baby it's cold outside"
Your pearls are wrapped too tight tonight ladies.
Anonymous
12/06/2013 20:09
Subject: "Baby it's cold outside"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's still creepy. Sorry to ruin your precious memories, but it's a creepy date rapey song.
What's with the baby talk?
Excuse me. Let me translate it into PC Bullshit for you:
The song makes me deeply uncomfortable. Even though it was from a *different time*, I still find the lyrics to be extremely problematic. Here you have a woman who is worried for her reputation, alone in a situation with a man who is trying to subtly force himself on her. He tries to intoxicate her, refuses to get her things so that if she leaves she's at the mercy of the elements and basically does everything he can to take her agency away from her. This is the sort of man who sees women as objects to be conquered, used and discarded at his leisure. It's not some adorable little winter time carol for lovers to serenade each other with. At best it's a parable about how when we view human beings as sexual creatures males are always lauded for their studly prowess while females are branded as low and without worth. At it's worst it glorifies the type of man who feels no need to obtain a woman's consent before engaging in sexual activities with her.
You need therapy. And some whiskey, too.
.........Stop trying to get me drunk. No means no.
Anonymous
12/06/2013 20:05
Subject: "Baby it's cold outside"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This song was written by Frank Loesser as a duet to be performed with his wife. It started as "their" song and they used to perform it at holiday parties. I think if you know the background, the song is not so creepy.
I know the background, and I still think it's creepy.
It was written in 1944, people. When people DID judge a woman for having premarital sex, and for wanting to have it! Times were different then, and the song reflects those times.
Remember Wake Up Little Suzy? 1957. She didn't even have sex with the guy but just fell asleep and "her reputation was shot". Also not a rapey song, though.
The line is "our reputation is shot," not "her reputation is shot." It doesn't seem date rapey at all because they went to the movies and fell asleep. Plus, there's a line in which he sings, "our goose is cooked." That's not a sick song, that's squeaky clean teenagers worried about breaking curfew.
You want another actually creepy song? Memphis, Tennessee. Here are the lyrics: http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Memphis-Tennessee-lyrics-Sammy-Kershaw/D2AC03E258949D804825694A0004F5BC I realize it's supposed to be about a divorced couple, but it just sounds like a pedophile stalker thwarted when the mother of his victim moved away. Creepy, creepy, creepy.
Anonymous
12/06/2013 20:03
Subject: "Baby it's cold outside"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's still creepy. Sorry to ruin your precious memories, but it's a creepy date rapey song.
What's with the baby talk?
Excuse me. Let me translate it into PC Bullshit for you:
The song makes me deeply uncomfortable. Even though it was from a *different time*, I still find the lyrics to be extremely problematic. Here you have a woman who is worried for her reputation, alone in a situation with a man who is trying to subtly force himself on her. He tries to intoxicate her, refuses to get her things so that if she leaves she's at the mercy of the elements and basically does everything he can to take her agency away from her. This is the sort of man who sees women as objects to be conquered, used and discarded at his leisure. It's not some adorable little winter time carol for lovers to serenade each other with. At best it's a parable about how when we view human beings as sexual creatures males are always lauded for their studly prowess while females are branded as low and without worth. At it's worst it glorifies the type of man who feels no need to obtain a woman's consent before engaging in sexual activities with her.
You need therapy. And some whiskey, too.
Anonymous
12/06/2013 19:59
Subject: "Baby it's cold outside"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This song was written by Frank Loesser as a duet to be performed with his wife. It started as "their" song and they used to perform it at holiday parties. I think if you know the background, the song is not so creepy.
I know the background, and I still think it's creepy.
It was written in 1944, people. When people DID judge a woman for having premarital sex, and for wanting to have it! Times were different then, and the song reflects those times.
For the movie debut of the song in 1949, they played it both ways--both a man and a woman were the aggressor but in a very chaste way:
Date rape lyrics are more appalling today, e.g., Robin Thicke
"OK now he was close, tried to domesticate you
But you're an animal, baby, it's in your nature
Just let me liberate you
You don't need no papers
That man is not your maker
And that's why I'm gon' take a good girl
One thing I ask of you
Let me be the one you back that ass to
Yeah, I had a bitch, but she ain't bad as you
So hit me up when you pass through
I'll give you something big enough to tear your ass in two
Nothing like your last guy, he too square for you
He don't smack that ass and pull your hair like that
So I just watch and wait for you to salute
But you didn't pick
Not many women can refuse this pimpin'
I'm a nice guy, but don't get it if you get with me"
Blurred Lines is extremely gross. The lyrics are bad and the video with him, Pharrell, that other guy and three topless models is even worse.
Anonymous
12/06/2013 19:54
Subject: "Baby it's cold outside"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This song was written by Frank Loesser as a duet to be performed with his wife. It started as "their" song and they used to perform it at holiday parties. I think if you know the background, the song is not so creepy.
I know the background, and I still think it's creepy.
It was written in 1944, people. When people DID judge a woman for having premarital sex, and for wanting to have it! Times were different then, and the song reflects those times.
For the movie debut of the song in 1949, they played it both ways--both a man and a woman were the aggressor but in a very chaste way:
Date rape lyrics are more appalling today, e.g., Robin Thicke
"OK now he was close, tried to domesticate you
But you're an animal, baby, it's in your nature
Just let me liberate you
You don't need no papers
That man is not your maker
And that's why I'm gon' take a good girl
One thing I ask of you
Let me be the one you back that ass to
Yeah, I had a bitch, but she ain't bad as you
So hit me up when you pass through
I'll give you something big enough to tear your ass in two
Nothing like your last guy, he too square for you
He don't smack that ass and pull your hair like that
So I just watch and wait for you to salute
But you didn't pick
Not many women can refuse this pimpin'
I'm a nice guy, but don't get it if you get with me"
Anonymous
12/06/2013 19:07
Subject: "Baby it's cold outside"
You're welcome.
Anonymous
12/06/2013 19:06
Subject: "Baby it's cold outside"
18:53 is 18:40s exhibit a