Anonymous
10/11/2013 12:07
Subject: Re:US News high school rankings are out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The residents of Winnetka and Scarsdale must be pissed that their property taxes pay for high schools that rate so terribly on college readiness.
Ugh. I went to one of those schools. Greater than 95%+ go to college from those schools. The US news and world report "college readiness" index looks at the number of AP or IB exams and how many pass them. Do you think that a student is unready for college if they haven't taken any AP or IB exams? Unready for MIT or Harvard? Sure. Unready for college? Not so much. New Trier in particular filters students to keep the standards of the AP classes high so that only kids they think are going to get 4s or 5s on the AP exams take them.
SWW, with its joint program with GW might be ranking less high on the "college readiness" metric in part because kids can take actual college classes instead of as many AP or IB classes, which is kind of ironic. While it's obvious that the schools on this list are fantastic schools, and generally the higher up, the better the school (no one would argue that Thomas Jefferson, Stuyvesant, etc. are not the best public schools in the country), and how you do on AP and IB exams and how many students take is correlated with rigor, it's not the full story. What a ridiculous war to be having on a message board.
Sorry, but I aim higher. This is my city and our message board. If you think we should all come from privates our get admitted due to minority status and low SES and then not be able to actually survive, FU. I went to CUA for a semester before I went to my Ivy, A's vc C and D's. No offense t0 GE, but SWS ought to be offerine a better education inside.
It is not a war, it is an explanation of what "college readiness" means, which is important because a lot of people here were saying it was only how many kids take APs, not how they do on them. And I think college readiness, as the PP said, should fairly represent serious colleges. No offense to CUA, but I had the same experience. A's there, thought I was college ready and then boom. Welcome to my Ivy.
And while a lot of Ivies have a summer prep course before you start freshman year for people who didn't come from the best high schools (mostly low SES), for many of us it was not enough. What really made me sad was to watch the kids who had wanted to be in a science or tech field (engineering majors, mostly, but also Econ and premed) fail the courses that were critical to continuing in their chosen field or do so badly that their odds of getting into a good grad/med school started to sink. Finally, they did not have the opportunity to withdraw mid semester like wealthy kids who screwed up to preserve their college grades because they would have had no financial aid the last semester. Don't know if that has changed.
But DC is not just SWW. And as someone here as already admitted, DC is a bad joke - even compared to Md and VA if you ignore TJ. Actually, I think it is a disaster for the most part, and the scores on the common core test, like the quality of our high schools, will probably bear that out.
Our tops are SWW, #277, Banneker (which is supposed to be STEM, is selective, and has no relation to a college) #477, college readiness 47%, Duke Ellington #1776 and worse and worse. It is a really crappy set of schools considering the amount of brain power and education and SES of many of the parents who live in this city, who as far as I can tell sometimes go to Wilson and go Ivy, or are private all the way. This includes AAs who either can pay for private or who get scholarships. Or they move. And this spells out why, in black and white, and it is mostly kids of color who are losing under the present system.
I have yet to see the college admissions from the vocal Banneker supporters on this board, and doubt highly that they (or SWW) would impress, given that Banneker's SAT scores are BELOW the national average.
Suffice it to say, I would be worried for a kid from Banneker or ANY OF OUR DC HIGH SCHOOLS except possibly Wilson who ended up at an Ivy. I'm sure some do, whether they send one every year we may never know, but low SES gets you a lot of points but our schools clearly don't, in general, prepare people for an Ivy or maybe most colleges. Remember, we all get financial credit because all we have here is UDC if we go to a state school elsewhere...
All I am saying is I am really starting to get why people who want a good education for their kids leave DC if they are not zoned for Wilson. And I think that is pathetic, and I hope by the time all these parents who are scrambling to get their kids into PS3 etc in "good" charters have better alternatives later on. They clearly care about their kids education. In fact, what is really clear from this board is how many parents really really care. That was probably true precharter and while one can hope that the charters change the quality of DC high school options, I don't understand why we don't have decent ones now for those who are going into high school NOW.
I used to laugh about UDC but I am not laughing any more. The level of dysfunction is not funny anymore. DC should be embarrassed. Where are all the kids with the good DCCAS scores (take the raw number of the kids who scored advanced) going to go? And wherever they go, are they going to be college ready?
Most colleges try to take students from each state from public and private schools. Do they make an exception for DC? I did not grow up here.
Anonymous
10/10/2013 14:51
Subject: US News high school rankings are out
Somehow I have a feeling that this is about as much a problem as then 'OMG maryland license plate' issue.
Anonymous
10/09/2013 21:28
Subject: Re:US News high school rankings are out
Anonymous wrote:The residents of Winnetka and Scarsdale must be pissed that their property taxes pay for high schools that rate so terribly on college readiness.
Ugh. I went to one of those schools. Greater than 95%+ go to college from those schools. The US news and world report "college readiness" index looks at the number of AP or IB exams and how many pass them. Do you think that a student is unready for college if they haven't taken any AP or IB exams? Unready for MIT or Harvard? Sure. Unready for college? Not so much. New Trier in particular filters students to keep the standards of the AP classes high so that only kids they think are going to get 4s or 5s on the AP exams take them.
SWW, with its joint program with GW might be ranking less high on the "college readiness" metric in part because kids can take actual college classes instead of as many AP or IB classes, which is kind of ironic. While it's obvious that the schools on this list are fantastic schools, and generally the higher up, the better the school (no one would argue that Thomas Jefferson, Stuyvesant, etc. are not the best public schools in the country), and how you do on AP and IB exams and how many students take is correlated with rigor, it's not the full story. What a ridiculous war to be having on a message board.
Sorry, but this is about our sorry city, where the options are really moving out or letting something good come out of all os this.l
Anonymous
10/09/2013 21:23
Subject: Re:US News high school rankings are out
Anonymous wrote:The residents of Winnetka and Scarsdale must be pissed that their property taxes pay for high schools that rate so terribly on college readiness.
Ugh. I went to one of those schools. Greater than 95%+ go to college from those schools. The US news and world report "college readiness" index looks at the number of AP or IB exams and how many pass them. Do you think that a student is unready for college if they haven't taken any AP or IB exams? Unready for MIT or Harvard? Sure. Unready for college? Not so much. New Trier in particular filters students to keep the standards of the AP classes high so that only kids they think are going to get 4s or 5s on the AP exams take them.
SWW, with its joint program with GW might be ranking less high on the "college readiness" metric in part because kids can take actual college classes instead of as many AP or IB classes, which is kind of ironic. While it's obvious that the schools on this list are fantastic schools, and generally the higher up, the better the school (no one would argue that Thomas Jefferson, Stuyvesant, etc. are not the best public schools in the country), and how you do on AP and IB exams and how many students take is correlated with rigor, it's not the full story. What a ridiculous war to be having on a message board.
Sorry, but I aim higher. This is my city and our message board. If you think we should all come from privates our get admitted due to minority status and low SES and then not be able to actually survive, FU. I went to CUA for a semester before I went to my Ivy, A's vc C and D's. No offense t0 GE, but SWS ought to be offerine a better education inside.
Anonymous
10/07/2013 18:51
Subject: Re:US News high school rankings are out
The residents of Winnetka and Scarsdale must be pissed that their property taxes pay for high schools that rate so terribly on college readiness.
Ugh. I went to one of those schools. Greater than 95%+ go to college from those schools. The US news and world report "college readiness" index looks at the number of AP or IB exams and how many pass them. Do you think that a student is unready for college if they haven't taken any AP or IB exams? Unready for MIT or Harvard? Sure. Unready for college? Not so much. New Trier in particular filters students to keep the standards of the AP classes high so that only kids they think are going to get 4s or 5s on the AP exams take them.
SWW, with its joint program with GW might be ranking less high on the "college readiness" metric in part because kids can take actual college classes instead of as many AP or IB classes, which is kind of ironic. While it's obvious that the schools on this list are fantastic schools, and generally the higher up, the better the school (no one would argue that Thomas Jefferson, Stuyvesant, etc. are not the best public schools in the country), and how you do on AP and IB exams and how many students take is correlated with rigor, it's not the full story. What a ridiculous war to be having on a message board.
Anonymous
10/06/2013 20:31
Subject: Re:US News high school rankings are out
Anonymous wrote:SWW ranks higher than New Trier and Scarsdale.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Be sure to find out what the USNWR "college readiness" index means before having your discussion.
why don't you educate us? Or why don't you just stop blowing smoke and admit that when Banneker's SAT scores are below the NATIONAL AVERAGE and it is supposed to be our TJ there is something really wrong, even if instead of being #447 it should have been... where?
Whatever college readiness is, like most other things US News & World Report has us WAY behind the top Md and VA schools. While they may be off by 100, this is just plain an embarrassment. We did not even have 5 schools that were RANKED people. Take your heads out of the sand.
College readiness is 25% the number of APs or IB and 75% was how well the kids ACTUALLY did on the exams. So again, SWW was ranked 50% college ready...
The residents of Winnetka and Scarsdale must be pissed that their property taxes pay for high schools that rate so terribly on college readiness.
Anonymous
10/06/2013 19:29
Subject: Re:US News high school rankings are out
How come George mason from falls church city isn't on the list?
Anonymous
10/06/2013 19:20
Subject: US News high school rankings are out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Who gives a crap? Apparently the schools that supply the data. If you descredit the best-schools that are published then I know you also disregard the worst-schools too.
Who gives a crap? Hell, people emigrate here from foreign countries to attend TJ.
LOL. No, they don't.
Actually, they do. At least from South Korea, the mom brings the kids while dad stays in Korea. Very common and there are companies set up that help people do this. It's been written about in the S. Korean press for at least the past decade.
Links or it didn't happen. You said countries, plural by the way.
A Washington Post article describes the phenomenon and effects it has had on the school.
Doing research is not impossible. Nitpicking about plurals dos not help in any way.
There is nothing in that article that says parents are emigrating from S. Korea to go to TJ. Embassy kids tend to go to the same schools since they are insular communities. Writing about a school on an Embassy website isn't unique. Nor does it support your claim about companies who help people do this.
There are multiple posters on this thread. I posted the link but not anything else. It says in the article that immigrants came from China, South Korea, and India who know about TJ before coming here. Before you make negative posts about articles being misused, read them.
Otherwise, you lose all credibility and look like a troll.
Stop with the eye rolling and troll calling. I read the article. I think this is the sentence you may be referring to:That reputation has attracted a flurry of recent immigrants from South Korea, China and India, some of whom learn about TJ long before landing in the United States.
Again, nothing says that they immigrated here TO GO TO TJ. It just says they are recent immigrants who know about the school prior to moving. Perhaps when the decision came to move to Silver Spring or Fairfax they decided to come to Fairfax for TJ -- that doesn't mean that they immigrated to the US solely to send their children to TJ.
Korean poster. Not sure why you don't believe people move to the US just so their kid can attend TJ b/c they do. It's been written about extensively in S. Korea. It's almost always just the mom and kids. The father stays behind in S. Korea working so it's not immigrants deciding where to live b/c it's a good school district. It's very expensive to maintain two households in two different countries so it's obviously only the well off that do this but it's common enough that Koreans have a term for it, "goose families."
Koreans probably know the US high school rankings better than most Americans and yes, TJ is one of the most popular for sending "geese".
Anonymous
10/06/2013 18:29
Subject: US News high school rankings are out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Who gives a crap? Apparently the schools that supply the data. If you descredit the best-schools that are published then I know you also disregard the worst-schools too.
Who gives a crap? Hell, people emigrate here from foreign countries to attend TJ.
LOL. No, they don't.
Actually, they do. At least from South Korea, the mom brings the kids while dad stays in Korea. Very common and there are companies set up that help people do this. It's been written about in the S. Korean press for at least the past decade.
Links or it didn't happen. You said countries, plural by the way.
A Washington Post article describes the phenomenon and effects it has had on the school.
Doing research is not impossible. Nitpicking about plurals dos not help in any way.
There is nothing in that article that says parents are emigrating from S. Korea to go to TJ. Embassy kids tend to go to the same schools since they are insular communities. Writing about a school on an Embassy website isn't unique. Nor does it support your claim about companies who help people do this.
There are multiple posters on this thread. I posted the link but not anything else. It says in the article that immigrants came from China, South Korea, and India who know about TJ before coming here. Before you make negative posts about articles being misused, read them.
Otherwise, you lose all credibility and look like a troll.
Stop with the eye rolling and troll calling. I read the article. I think this is the sentence you may be referring to:That reputation has attracted a flurry of recent immigrants from South Korea, China and India, some of whom learn about TJ long before landing in the United States.
Again, nothing says that they immigrated here TO GO TO TJ. It just says they are recent immigrants who know about the school prior to moving. Perhaps when the decision came to move to Silver Spring or Fairfax they decided to come to Fairfax for TJ -- that doesn't mean that they immigrated to the US solely to send their children to TJ.
Anonymous
10/06/2013 15:52
Subject: Re:US News high school rankings are out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:SWW ranks higher than New Trier and Scarsdale.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Be sure to find out what the USNWR "college readiness" index means before having your discussion.
why don't you educate us? Or why don't you just stop blowing smoke and admit that when Banneker's SAT scores are below the NATIONAL AVERAGE and it is supposed to be our TJ there is something really wrong, even if instead of being #447 it should have been... where?
Whatever college readiness is, like most other things US News & World Report has us WAY behind the top Md and VA schools. While they may be off by 100, this is just plain an embarrassment. We did not even have 5 schools that were RANKED people. Take your heads out of the sand.
College readiness is 25% the number of APs or IB and 75% was how well the kids ACTUALLY did on the exams. So again, SWW was ranked 50% college ready...
Anonymous
10/06/2013 15:25
Subject: US News high school rankings are out
I'm S. Korean and one of the first questions asked by my relatives in Korea when they learned we would be moving to this area was whether our kids would attend TJ and this was even before we had kids. LOL!
Can't speak for other countries but it's an established fact that people move here from S. Korea so their kids can attend TJ. Wouldn't be surprised for China and India where people seek the best education for their kids including where sending them overseas is not that uncommon.
BTW, our kids won't be attending TJ b/c we'll be out of here by high school. We're looking at Stuy.
Can't speak for other countries but it's an established fact that people move here from S. Korea so their kids can attend TJ. Wouldn't be surprised for China and India where people seek the best education for their kids including where sending them overseas is not that uncommon.
BTW, our kids won't be attending TJ b/c we'll be out of here by high school. We're looking at Stuy.
Anonymous
10/06/2013 15:17
Subject: US News high school rankings are out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Who gives a crap? Apparently the schools that supply the data. If you descredit the best-schools that are published then I know you also disregard the worst-schools too.
Who gives a crap? Hell, people emigrate here from foreign countries to attend TJ.
LOL. No, they don't.
Actually, they do. At least from South Korea, the mom brings the kids while dad stays in Korea. Very common and there are companies set up that help people do this. It's been written about in the S. Korean press for at least the past decade.
Links or it didn't happen. You said countries, plural by the way.
A Washington Post article describes the phenomenon and effects it has had on the school.
Doing research is not impossible. Nitpicking about plurals dos not help in any way.
There is nothing in that article that says parents are emigrating from S. Korea to go to TJ. Embassy kids tend to go to the same schools since they are insular communities. Writing about a school on an Embassy website isn't unique. Nor does it support your claim about companies who help people do this.
These are not embassy kids but ones who immigrate here specifically to attend TJ:
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-03-19/local/35207819_1_math-and-science-second-language-program-for-english-language
Anonymous
10/06/2013 15:17
Subject: US News high school rankings are out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Who gives a crap? Apparently the schools that supply the data. If you descredit the best-schools that are published then I know you also disregard the worst-schools too.
Who gives a crap? Hell, people emigrate here from foreign countries to attend TJ.
LOL. No, they don't.
Actually, they do. At least from South Korea, the mom brings the kids while dad stays in Korea. Very common and there are companies set up that help people do this. It's been written about in the S. Korean press for at least the past decade.
Links or it didn't happen. You said countries, plural by the way.
A Washington Post article describes the phenomenon and effects it has had on the school.
Doing research is not impossible. Nitpicking about plurals dos not help in any way.
There is nothing in that article that says parents are emigrating from S. Korea to go to TJ. Embassy kids tend to go to the same schools since they are insular communities. Writing about a school on an Embassy website isn't unique. Nor does it support your claim about companies who help people do this.
There are multiple posters on this thread. I posted the link but not anything else. It says in the article that immigrants came from China, South Korea, and India who know about TJ before coming here. Before you make negative posts about articles being misused, read them.
Otherwise, you lose all credibility and look like a troll.
Anonymous
10/06/2013 14:45
Subject: US News high school rankings are out
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Who gives a crap? Apparently the schools that supply the data. If you descredit the best-schools that are published then I know you also disregard the worst-schools too.
Who gives a crap? Hell, people emigrate here from foreign countries to attend TJ.
LOL. No, they don't.
Actually, they do. At least from South Korea, the mom brings the kids while dad stays in Korea. Very common and there are companies set up that help people do this. It's been written about in the S. Korean press for at least the past decade.
Links or it didn't happen. You said countries, plural by the way.
A Washington Post article describes the phenomenon and effects it has had on the school.
Doing research is not impossible. Nitpicking about plurals dos not help in any way.
There is nothing in that article that says parents are emigrating from S. Korea to go to TJ. Embassy kids tend to go to the same schools since they are insular communities. Writing about a school on an Embassy website isn't unique. Nor does it support your claim about companies who help people do this.