Anonymous wrote:MV wasn't always in their current location. With that being said I'm sure they had Native speakers at their previous location. The PP is making it seem like MV is a neighborhood school which is serving the current population in Columbia Heights. It's a charter with a lottery therefore it's free game with native speakers an non native speakers.

The previous location was north DuPont circle, just south of Adams Morgan. It was not a long walk for the Hispanic families in the neighborhood. Truxton Circle/Shaw/NoMa - whatever you call it doesn't have a concentration of native Spanish speakers. Yes, it's a charter. Yes, they have an obligation to serve everyone. I just happen to believe it's worth going to the extra mile to accommodate the families who contribute so much to the community and don't have the resources to make the commute. If it's not a big deal, then great. It would be nice to know that in advance, instead of hoping for the best and then being surprised one or two weeks into next school year when a lot of families decide the commute isn't worth it, and they'll just go to Marie Reed or Bancroft instead. Even families with cars and lots of resources have been known to decide the logistics of getting to a particular school outweigh the benefits.

If this chart is correct, MV is a plurality Hispanic school, which contributes to the authenticity of the experience. (I see LAMB isn't even on the top 10 list.) It's not just a school for the wealthy, as some charters (Washington Latin, Yu Ying, LAMB) seem to be. It really wouldn't be the same if it loses the connection to the Native speaking families.

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Anonymous wrote:Hope they come up with a solution. FYI, 1St NW between N St - P St NW is a traffic nightmare every. single. morning due to all the schools there, Dunbar HS and CCPCS, and everyone trying to get on New York Ave and the 395 entrance off NY Ave.

But, this is a green school. These parents would be metro, bus and riding their bikes. Right? They won't add to the carbon footprint.

No, no bikes and certainly not for kids. No bike lanes and too much traffic. You are asking for trouble.

Vs 16th street? How is worse then biking up 16th?

Why not come see First St NW and P around 8:30 AM when school will be starting... You have never seen First St NW if you think it's like 16th...

Really? Considering that is on my run (I live in the neighborhood) I'm pretty sure I know what it looks like.

Not the PP, but so do I. You're delusional if you think 1st & P NW looks anything like 16th.

Who said they look the same?

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Anonymous wrote:1st St is one lane only in each direction with residential parking on the West side. No shoulders and parking is allowed during rush hour except for the block between N St and NY Ave. 1st NW is nothing like 16th St.

Those of you should drive on 1st St. sometime between 8-9 AM and see what it is like. And if you really feel like ending up in the hospital, try biking down like PP suggested.

Actually I drive down it every day, and I also don't see the difference between 1st street and 16th. Sometimes yes, it is a lot slower than 16th. Of course, it depends on what section of 16th you are talking about.

So you would be ok with your elementary school aged kid riding his bike to school there?

I think currently, the parents bike WITH their kids. I haven't seen anyone biking alone down 16th, so it's ignorant to suggest they bike down 1st. We are talking the same parents who currently bike in tandem with their kids down 16th will have the same ability to bike on 1st, it's no better or worse.

Even in tandem, 16th has more lanes to maneuver. 1st has no shoulder or any room to get out of the way. Plus it is always backed up in the morning.

I live around there and I would never bike during morning rush hour and certainly not with my kid. And I have to drive him every day to another immersion language charter in the other direction but coming back, Oh the horror!

But hey, if you and others don't have a problem with biking on 1st NW during morning rush.... hey, more power to 'ya. You're much braver than I.

So if you're not even a MV parent, what is your problem. Just drive by on your way to your OTHER charter.

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Anonymous wrote:1st St is one lane only in each direction with residential parking on the West side. No shoulders and parking is allowed during rush hour except for the block between N St and NY Ave. 1st NW is nothing like 16th St.

Those of you should drive on 1st St. sometime between 8-9 AM and see what it is like. And if you really feel like ending up in the hospital, try biking down like PP suggested.

Actually I drive down it every day, and I also don't see the difference between 1st street and 16th. Sometimes yes, it is a lot slower than 16th. Of course, it depends on what section of 16th you are talking about.

So you would be ok with your elementary school aged kid riding his bike to school there?

I think currently, the parents bike WITH their kids. I haven't seen anyone biking alone down 16th, so it's ignorant to suggest they bike down 1st. We are talking the same parents who currently bike in tandem with their kids down 16th will have the same ability to bike on 1st, it's no better or worse.

Even in tandem, 16th has more lanes to maneuver. 1st has no shoulder or any room to get out of the way. Plus it is always backed up in the morning.

I live around there and I would never bike during morning rush hour and certainly not with my kid. And I have to drive him every day to another immersion language charter in the other direction but coming back, Oh the horror!

But hey, if you and others don't have a problem with biking on 1st NW during morning rush.... hey, more power to 'ya. You're much braver than I.

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Anonymous wrote:Hope they come up with a solution. FYI, 1St NW between N St - P St NW is a traffic nightmare every. single. morning due to all the schools there, Dunbar HS and CCPCS, and everyone trying to get on New York Ave and the 395 entrance off NY Ave.

But, this is a green school. These parents would be metro, bus and riding their bikes. Right? They won't add to the carbon footprint.

No, no bikes and certainly not for kids. No bike lanes and too much traffic. You are asking for trouble.

Vs 16th street? How is worse then biking up 16th?

Why not come see First St NW and P around 8:30 AM when school will be starting... You have never seen First St NW if you think it's like 16th...

Really? Considering that is on my run (I live in the neighborhood) I'm pretty sure I know what it looks like.

Not the PP, but so do I. You're delusional if you think 1st & P NW looks anything like 16th.

16th is much much worse. I live on 16th and I cut over to 13th most days because of the awful logjams.

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Anonymous wrote:Hope they come up with a solution. FYI, 1St NW between N St - P St NW is a traffic nightmare every. single. morning due to all the schools there, Dunbar HS and CCPCS, and everyone trying to get on New York Ave and the 395 entrance off NY Ave.

But, this is a green school. These parents would be metro, bus and riding their bikes. Right? They won't add to the carbon footprint.

No, no bikes and certainly not for kids. No bike lanes and too much traffic. You are asking for trouble.

Vs 16th street? How is worse then biking up 16th?

Why not come see First St NW and P around 8:30 AM when school will be starting... You have never seen First St NW if you think it's like 16th...

Really? Considering that is on my run (I live in the neighborhood) I'm pretty sure I know what it looks like.

Not the PP, but so do I. You're delusional if you think 1st & P NW looks anything like 16th.

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Anonymous wrote:1st St is one lane only in each direction with residential parking on the West side. No shoulders and parking is allowed during rush hour except for the block between N St and NY Ave. 1st NW is nothing like 16th St.

Those of you should drive on 1st St. sometime between 8-9 AM and see what it is like. And if you really feel like ending up in the hospital, try biking down like PP suggested.

Actually I drive down it every day, and I also don't see the difference between 1st street and 16th. Sometimes yes, it is a lot slower than 16th. Of course, it depends on what section of 16th you are talking about.

So you would be ok with your elementary school aged kid riding his bike to school there?

I think currently, the parents bike WITH their kids. I haven't seen anyone biking alone down 16th, so it's ignorant to suggest they bike down 1st. We are talking the same parents who currently bike in tandem with their kids down 16th will have the same ability to bike on 1st, it's no better or worse.

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Anonymous wrote:1st St is one lane only in each direction with residential parking on the West side. No shoulders and parking is allowed during rush hour except for the block between N St and NY Ave. 1st NW is nothing like 16th St.

Those of you should drive on 1st St. sometime between 8-9 AM and see what it is like. And if you really feel like ending up in the hospital, try biking down like PP suggested.

Actually I drive down it every day, and I also don't see the difference between 1st street and 16th. Sometimes yes, it is a lot slower than 16th. Of course, it depends on what section of 16th you are talking about.

So you would be ok with your elementary school aged kid riding his bike to school there?

Anonymous wrote:1st St is one lane only in each direction with residential parking on the West side. No shoulders and parking is allowed during rush hour except for the block between N St and NY Ave. 1st NW is nothing like 16th St.

Those of you should drive on 1st St. sometime between 8-9 AM and see what it is like. And if you really feel like ending up in the hospital, try biking down like PP suggested.

Actually I drive down it every day, and I also don't see the difference between 1st street and 16th. Sometimes yes, it is a lot slower than 16th. Of course, it depends on what section of 16th you are talking about.

1st St is one lane only in each direction with residential parking on the West side. No shoulders and parking is allowed during rush hour except for the block between N St and NY Ave. 1st NW is nothing like 16th St.

Those of you should drive on 1st St. sometime between 8-9 AM and see what it is like. And if you really feel like ending up in the hospital, try biking down like PP suggested.

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Anonymous wrote:Hope they come up with a solution. FYI, 1St NW between N St - P St NW is a traffic nightmare every. single. morning due to all the schools there, Dunbar HS and CCPCS, and everyone trying to get on New York Ave and the 395 entrance off NY Ave.

But, this is a green school. These parents would be metro, bus and riding their bikes. Right? They won't add to the carbon footprint.

No, no bikes and certainly not for kids. No bike lanes and too much traffic. You are asking for trouble.

Vs 16th street? How is worse then biking up 16th?

Why not come see First St NW and P around 8:30 AM when school will be starting... You have never seen First St NW if you think it's like 16th...

Really? Considering that is on my run (I live in the neighborhood) I'm pretty sure I know what it looks like.

OK, so you think a two lane residential road with parked cars on the West side and no bike lanes is the same as a six lane road. I have never seen 16th backed up as 1st St is every.single.morning between P St to New York Ave. It'll take you at least ten minutes to drive those three blocks going South between 8 to 9 AM.

NP here. Very confused. Are you claiming that 1st st NW is six lanes or 16th street NW?

Yeah, which one is 6 lanes?

I just drove from Columbia Heights down 16th and it was a total cluster. "Residential"? Are you insane?

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Anonymous wrote:Hope they come up with a solution. FYI, 1St NW between N St - P St NW is a traffic nightmare every. single. morning due to all the schools there, Dunbar HS and CCPCS, and everyone trying to get on New York Ave and the 395 entrance off NY Ave.

But, this is a green school. These parents would be metro, bus and riding their bikes. Right? They won't add to the carbon footprint.

No, no bikes and certainly not for kids. No bike lanes and too much traffic. You are asking for trouble.

Vs 16th street? How is worse then biking up 16th?

Why not come see First St NW and P around 8:30 AM when school will be starting... You have never seen First St NW if you think it's like 16th...

Really? Considering that is on my run (I live in the neighborhood) I'm pretty sure I know what it looks like.

OK, so you think a two lane residential road with parked cars on the West side and no bike lanes is the same as a six lane road. I have never seen 16th backed up as 1st St is every.single.morning between P St to New York Ave. It'll take you at least ten minutes to drive those three blocks going South between 8 to 9 AM.

NP here. Very confused. Are you claiming that 1st st NW is six lanes or 16th street NW?

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Anonymous wrote:Hope they come up with a solution. FYI, 1St NW between N St - P St NW is a traffic nightmare every. single. morning due to all the schools there, Dunbar HS and CCPCS, and everyone trying to get on New York Ave and the 395 entrance off NY Ave.

But, this is a green school. These parents would be metro, bus and riding their bikes. Right? They won't add to the carbon footprint.

No, no bikes and certainly not for kids. No bike lanes and too much traffic. You are asking for trouble.

Vs 16th street? How is worse then biking up 16th?

Why not come see First St NW and P around 8:30 AM when school will be starting... You have never seen First St NW if you think it's like 16th...

Really? Considering that is on my run (I live in the neighborhood) I'm pretty sure I know what it looks like.

OK, so you think a two lane residential road with parked cars on the West side and no bike lanes is the same as a six lane road. I have never seen 16th backed up as 1st St is every.single.morning between P St to New York Ave. It'll take you at least ten minutes to drive those three blocks going South between 8 to 9 AM.

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Anonymous wrote:Plus the bus to the new location surely will not be free. I believe YY's is around $200/month.

And I'm sure a lot of YY parents from NW and the Hill can afford that. Nice for them, but irrelevant. If MV is serious about keeping the Hispanic families who live near the current location, they will need to offer a bus service - gratis. If it's not free, then many families simply can't do it.

Doesn't Potomac Lighthouse offer free bus service?

I don't know if what you are saying is actually true. I have talked to several Hispanic families at MV that are local or take public trans to the school and asked if the move is an issue. Most expressed their intention to stay and take public trans to the new location. Like you, I think maintaining the balance of native spanish-speaking families is important and have mentioned to the MV admins that they should directly address this issue by just asking the families if the new location is feasible and what they would need to stay. Until that happens, I think it is premature to assume that a free bus is necessary (although that would be great) for families to stay or no deal. I ride the metro with many of these families and they like other families around the city (Wards 3, 7 and 8) that attend MV value the school and may go the extra mile to get there.

As PP said above, MV was never a neighborhood school, but a charter with a citywide lottery. Students must live all over the place.

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Anonymous wrote:Hope they come up with a solution. FYI, 1St NW between N St - P St NW is a traffic nightmare every. single. morning due to all the schools there, Dunbar HS and CCPCS, and everyone trying to get on New York Ave and the 395 entrance off NY Ave.

But, this is a green school. These parents would be metro, bus and riding their bikes. Right? They won't add to the carbon footprint.

No, no bikes and certainly not for kids. No bike lanes and too much traffic. You are asking for trouble.

Vs 16th street? How is worse then biking up 16th?

Why not come see First St NW and P around 8:30 AM when school will be starting... You have never seen First St NW if you think it's like 16th...

Really? Considering that is on my run (I live in the neighborhood) I'm pretty sure I know what it looks like.