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Anonymous wrote:Yes - tofu, fat free, vegetarian, whole grain -- Now paying dearly.

what do you mean by paying dearly??

I mean our bodies require saturated animal fats. We have been told that they are bad and it turns out we must have them for good health. This means the whole animal, like what you get when you simmer beef bones for 24 hrs until you have a gelatinous broth. Then make your stew in that. I mean our bodies cannot use nuts, seeds, or whole grains -- they have a protective cover on them that helps the seed pass through our system and remain in tact so it can grow. These grains contain phytic acid, which binds to micronutrients, such as magnesium, calcium, iron, and prevents our bodies from absorbing these. They are micronutrients, and the body is resilient, and the effects may not be felt for decades, but then in your forties, fifties, sixties, you start developing sensitivities, allergies, auto-immune conditions such as rheumatoid arthritis, IBS and leaky gut, and cancer. I mean that we ingest almost no iodine, we have been told it is a poison, yet we suffer thyroid problems, which are cured by taking iodine. We eat bromated flour, we drink fluoride, many toxins in our foods that we have been told are good but which in fact, with a little research, you will find are not.

I have changed my diet to include meat and saturated fats, salt, iodine, micronutrients, I have cut out soy and most whole grains (still addicted to morning oatmeal!) I now soak the nuts before I eat them. I have overcome the some of sensitivities I developed-- am seeing real changes in energy and shape of my body. That's what I mean.

Oy vey.

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Anonymous wrote:Paleo is just the latest fad for people to engage in disordered eating under the cover of health.

+1

+ detox juice fasts. Hello anorexia!

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Anonymous wrote:I can't wait until we can look back and realize the silliness that is gluten-free (for non-celiacs) and the obsession with genetically modified/paleo. It takes humility to realize we weren't always right with our food choices in the past because we just didn't know enough. But so many people are CERTAIN that what they are doing today is RIGHT. PP, Marketing, yes!

I agree with you about gluten free & paleo, but there is some science that GMO foods are responsible for the surge in food allergies. All organisms go through natural change and "modification" over time - whether you're talking about corn or human beings, the genetics do naturally evolve. But the fast pace of GMO foods compared with the extremely slow pace of genetic change/adaptation in humans, is too much to match, causing people to reject foods, and perceive them as dangerous. Allergies are basically the body's defense mechanism against things it perceives as dangerous. When the genetics of a apple or corn or whatever is manipulated so much, the body can reject it.

Do you have links to that "science"? Everything I've read says that concern about GMOs from a personal perspective - as opposed to a commercial or possibly environmental perspective - is misplaced.

Anonymous wrote:"Nuts, seeds and whole grains can be prepared in such a way that our body can utilize the nutrients."

Yes exactly. Do most people prepare them properly? I never used to - and now I do. And that is what this thread is about.

"It is in the 40s, 50s, and 60s that most people develop health issues of any kind and any cause, because that is middle age." You think this stuff just happens-- out of nowhere -- for no reason? Most Americans think that. Doctors make a lot of $$$ on the people who are not willing to accept responsibility for their own health, do their own research, and make changes to their diets instead of taking a lot of pills.

Google "iodine deficiency" -- go on, I dare you. While you are at it, search "magnesium deficiency" and any other trace nutrient you might think of.

Yes, we must consume the whole animal, including the organs. I never used to do that -- I used to buy boneless, skinless chicken breast and tofu. Because i believed it was healthy. and then i learned otherwise. And then I changed my diet. And that's what this thread is about, right?

Um, no, this thread is about ridiculous fads and trends that people religiously bought into in the past, much like what you are buying into now.

As for any "deficiency," you can get blood work done to find out if you are deficient. It isn't a mysterious thing. And if you are deficient in something, then you add in what you are missing.

I've been vegetarian for over a decade. And I get blood work done. I'm not deficient in anything. I don't have thyroid problems (and I know that because I do get regular bloodwork).

But I'm not afraid of dairy or whole grains.

As a caveat, I don't care if people eat meat. I don't eat meat for personal reasons. I think a person can be health with meat in their diet or without. But in either case, balance and moderation and variety are important. If you were a vegetarian who severely restricted your diet and didn't get a lot of variety, then I would say that was likely the problem. And it is possible to be vegetarian and still get variety. On the flip side, I think with the paleo fad, there are people who eat entirely too much meat and rule out too many other foods.

That is what this thread is about, ridiculous fads that people think are healthy. Even the PP who says her husband was fat as a vegetarian and slim on paleo. Well, it's likely that he ate more when he was vegetarian but when he adopted the paleo diet, he restricted so much that he simply ate a lot less (much like when people go gluten free). He probably didn't have to go paleo to lose weight; he just had to eat less.

And I know people who are paleo and still don't lose weight -- or don't lose and keep it off. And so they don't get the skinny they want but they do get really constipated.

Anonymous wrote:"Nuts, seeds and whole grains can be prepared in such a way that our body can utilize the nutrients."

Yes exactly. Do most people prepare them properly? I never used to - and now I do. And that is what this thread is about.

"It is in the 40s, 50s, and 60s that most people develop health issues of any kind and any cause, because that is middle age." You think this stuff just happens-- out of nowhere -- for no reason? Most Americans think that. Doctors make a lot of $$$ on the people who are not willing to accept responsibility for their own health, do their own research, and make changes to their diets instead of taking a lot of pills.

Google "iodine deficiency" -- go on, I dare you. While you are at it, search "magnesium deficiency" and any other trace nutrient you might think of.

Yes, we must consume the whole animal, including the organs. I never used to do that -- I used to buy boneless, skinless chicken breast and tofu. Because i believed it was healthy. and then i learned otherwise. And then I changed my diet. And that's what this thread is about, right?

When I google iodine deficiency, I get a bunch of "articles" from biased sites pushing yet another fad.

the most credible article I found actually attributed iodine deficiency in Americans to SELF-IMPOSED DAIRY RESTRICTIONS and asserted that the biggest sources of iodine for Americans are dairy, grains and seafood.

So if you eliminate or severely restrict dairy and grains from your diet, then yeah, maybe you might be prone to an iodine deficiency.

The rest of the articles that popped up, including the "soy is evil" articles, all seemed to be from biased sites, not objective sites or studies.

I would argue again what I have in prior posts: Moderation. The problem is the fads.

Anonymous wrote:Seventh day Adventist are vegetarians and are among the healthiest. You do not need animal products to be healthy. With that said there are a whole lot if unhealthy vegetarians. Substituting crap for meat isn't healthy.

+1 The other thing is overeating. Even if you are vegetarian, if you eat too much and don't exercise, it's a problem. Again, even if you are eating "whole foods," if you eat too much of them, it isn't healthy.

But of course, we never seem to learn this simple lesson. And the fads continue.

Anonymous wrote:"Nuts, seeds and whole grains can be prepared in such a way that our body can utilize the nutrients."

Yes exactly. Do most people prepare them properly? I never used to - and now I do. And that is what this thread is about.

"It is in the 40s, 50s, and 60s that most people develop health issues of any kind and any cause, because that is middle age." [b]You think this stuff just happens-- out of nowhere -- for no reason? Most Americans think that. Doctors make a lot of $$$ on the people who are not willing to accept responsibility for their own health, do their own research, and make changes to their diets instead of taking a lot of pills.

Google "iodine deficiency" -- go on, I dare you. While you are at it, search "magnesium deficiency" and any other trace nutrient you might think of.

Yes, we must consume the whole animal, including the organs. I never used to do that -- I used to buy boneless, skinless chicken breast and tofu. Because i believed it was healthy. and then i learned otherwise. And then I changed my diet. And that's what this thread is about, right?

Yes, it's called AGING! you do realize that all humans die? All animals age. Their bodies change, break down, slowly, and eventually something fails to the point of death. No matter what fad diet you eat, eventually your body breaks down and eventually you die. The medical community makes the MOST money from the last 6 months of a person's life, because people get every treatment possible thinking they can prolong life indefinitely.

Most chronic diseases have a strong genetic component. Google it, I dare you! Even cancer has a genetic component -- some people are predisposed and more likely to have certain problems.

I don't have to google iodine deficiencies. I've actually talked to medical professionals. So read as many trendy internet scare articles as you want. My doctor indicated to me that his experience has been that most people THINK they have a thyroid problem but don't. and blood work confirms it. But a lot of people like to think they have a thyroid problem in order to explain things like obesity. When the problem is much simpler: eating too much (of anything) and a lack of exercise.

In my opinion, the fad diets, the latest scares (don't eat gluten! don't eat wheat! sugar is evil!) are really scapegoats for the real problem: Americans eat too much and don't move around enough. It's as simple as that. And they think, well, if I eat "healthy" food, then that solves the problem or if I eat just "lean meat," then I'll be skinny. And what happens? They eat too much of the healthy food or too much meat and they still don't exercise enough. Even too much of a good thing is not good for you.

Seventh day Adventist are vegetarians and are among the healthiest. You do not need animal products to be healthy. With that said there are a whole lot if unhealthy vegetarians. Substituting crap for meat isn't healthy.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes - tofu, fat free, vegetarian, whole grain -- Now paying dearly.

what do you mean by paying dearly??

I mean our bodies require saturated animal fats. We have been told that they are bad and it turns out we must have them for good health. This means the whole animal, like what you get when you simmer beef bones for 24 hrs until you have a gelatinous broth. Then make your stew in that. I mean our bodies cannot use nuts, seeds, or whole grains -- they have a protective cover on them that helps the seed pass through our system and remain in tact so it can grow. These grains contain phytic acid, which binds to micronutrients, such as magnesium, calcium, iron, and prevents our bodies from absorbing these. They are micronutrients, and the body is resilient, and the effects may not be felt for decades, but then in your forties, fifties, sixties, you start developing sensitivities, allergies, auto-immune conditions such as rheumatoid arthritis, IBS and leaky gut, and cancer. I mean that we ingest almost no iodine, we have been told it is a poison, yet we suffer thyroid problems, which are cured by taking iodine. We eat bromated flour, we drink fluoride, many toxins in our foods that we have been told are good but which in fact, with a little research, you will find are not.

I have changed my diet to include meat and saturated fats, salt, iodine, micronutrients, I have cut out soy and most whole grains (still addicted to morning oatmeal!) I now soak the nuts before I eat them. I have overcome the some of sensitivities I developed-- am seeing real changes in energy and shape of my body. That's what I mean.

Uh oh. Somebody has been reading too much of the pseudo science at Mark's Daily Apple.

Careful, careful, careful. Be careful about what you are so certain you are doing "right" now. The whole point of this thread is laughing at what we used to think was healthy. Not because we were idiots, but because it was what we knew, what doctors told us, what studies told us THEN. So prepare to be humbled in about 5-10 years.

Anonymous wrote:"Nuts, seeds and whole grains can be prepared in such a way that our body can utilize the nutrients."

Yes exactly. Do most people prepare them properly? I never used to - and now I do. And that is what this thread is about.

"It is in the 40s, 50s, and 60s that most people develop health issues of any kind and any cause, because that is middle age." You think this stuff just happens-- out of nowhere -- for no reason? Most Americans think that. Doctors make a lot of $$$ on the people who are not willing to accept responsibility for their own health, do their own research, and make changes to their diets instead of taking a lot of pills.

Google "iodine deficiency" -- go on, I dare you. While you are at it, search "magnesium deficiency" and any other trace nutrient you might think of.

Yes, we must consume the whole animal, including the organs. I never used to do that -- I used to buy boneless, skinless chicken breast and tofu. Because i believed it was healthy. and then i learned otherwise. And then I changed my diet. And that's what this thread is about, right?

You need a hobby.

"Nuts, seeds and whole grains can be prepared in such a way that our body can utilize the nutrients."

Yes exactly. Do most people prepare them properly? I never used to - and now I do. And that is what this thread is about.

"It is in the 40s, 50s, and 60s that most people develop health issues of any kind and any cause, because that is middle age." You think this stuff just happens-- out of nowhere -- for no reason? Most Americans think that. Doctors make a lot of $$$ on the people who are not willing to accept responsibility for their own health, do their own research, and make changes to their diets instead of taking a lot of pills.

Google "iodine deficiency" -- go on, I dare you. While you are at it, search "magnesium deficiency" and any other trace nutrient you might think of.

Yes, we must consume the whole animal, including the organs. I never used to do that -- I used to buy boneless, skinless chicken breast and tofu. Because i believed it was healthy. and then i learned otherwise. And then I changed my diet. And that's what this thread is about, right?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes - tofu, fat free, vegetarian, whole grain -- Now paying dearly.

what do you mean by paying dearly??

I mean our bodies require saturated animal fats. We have been told that they are bad and it turns out we must have them for good health. This means the whole animal, like what you get when you simmer beef bones for 24 hrs until you have a gelatinous broth. Then make your stew in that. I mean our bodies cannot use nuts, seeds, or whole grains -- they have a protective cover on them that helps the seed pass through our system and remain in tact so it can grow. These grains contain phytic acid, which binds to micronutrients, such as magnesium, calcium, iron, and prevents our bodies from absorbing these. They are micronutrients, and the body is resilient, and the effects may not be felt for decades, but then in your forties, fifties, sixties, you start developing sensitivities, allergies, auto-immune conditions such as rheumatoid arthritis, IBS and leaky gut, and cancer. I mean that we ingest almost no iodine, we have been told it is a poison, yet we suffer thyroid problems, which are cured by taking iodine. We eat bromated flour, we drink fluoride, many toxins in our foods that we have been told are good but which in fact, with a little research, you will find are not.

I have changed my diet to include meat and saturated fats, salt, iodine, micronutrients, I have cut out soy and most whole grains (still addicted to morning oatmeal!) I now soak the nuts before I eat them. I have overcome the some of sensitivities I developed-- am seeing real changes in energy and shape of my body. That's what I mean.

I call BS!

1) Entire populations eat vegetarian and do fine. You can be vegetarian and still get animal fat by eating dairy. (Vegan is a different story.) We are omnivores. Nuts, seeds and whole grains can be prepared in such a way that our body can utilize the nutrients. We do not absorb all nutrients from any food that passes through our body, even animal parts.

2) Actually, most Americans ingest plenty of iodine. Do you not realize what iodine is? And there are simple blood tests that will confirm if someone is deficient in one nutrient or the other. I'm a vegetarian, have had blood work done, and I am fine. It is actually people who eat tons of meat and NO vegetables or fruits that actually are more inclined to have nutrient deficiencies. Why? Because most people don't eat the stomach or inner organs of animals, where the nutrients are. They eat the fleshy part. So, sure, they get protein, but don't get a lot of other stuff they need.

3) It is in the 40s, 50s, and 60s that most people develop health issues of any kind and any cause, because that is middle age. The vast majority of Americans are NOT vegetarians and the issues you mention (allergies, auto-immune disorders, arthritis, IBS, cancer) are prevalent here. It is obviously NOT vegetarianism that is the cause if most of the people having these problems eat meat, and plenty of it. In fact, in regions of the world where the population eat significantly less meat and has higher numbers of vegetarians, they actually have lower numbers of people suffering these problems. And let's not forget that one of the biggest health problems in America is heart disease, and the people getting it aren't vegetarians.

4) I'm going to come back to the iodine thing, because it basically shows that you aren't basing your assertions on facts. Ask any doctor -- any doctor -- and most will say that most Americans get plenty of iodine. It simply is not a problem here.

My husband was the fattest vegetarian I've ever seen.

Now, he eats paleo and at 39 years old, has the ripped physique of a college athlete.

I didn't know that about whole grains. Do you have any reputable links to share? TIA