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Anonymous wrote:How about flesh eating bacteria? Where is the free will there?

Now, you're being ridiculous. Again, sin compromised EVERYTHING but that will only make sense if you understand and identify with the consequences of sin and its impact on everything and everybody, warping and creating abnormalities.

Again, it's hard to make sense without understanding the biblical references to the impact of sin. If you are not into the Word, then it is and will always make no sense to a non-believer. But even we believers don't understand everything so we walk by faith, not by sight. You have to decide how you will walk and what you believe.

I'm sorry, but you cannot simply say, "It's a faith thing, you wouldn't understand." These things are debatable, and have been debated for centuries. I'll accept whatever you say is based on faith, so you can say that for you, logic is the work of the devil, and that's a fine reason for not engaging in debate. But you should at least admit to what you're basing on faith.

For example, you say that sin compromised everything, so I return to my question above: does that mean it's your view that without original sin, there would be no earthquakes, ebola, or cancer?

Also, a pp points out that Christ died for our sins and redeemed the world. Why do we still have evil then?

There would not be natural disasters were it not for original sin,
Christ died for all but only those who accept that sacrifice benefit. It is a free gift but you have to accept that gift. That us what the bible teaches.

Because there were no tornados, hurricanes, earthquakes or floods before people rode onto the scene on their tamed dinosaurs. Gotcha.

Anonymous wrote:New poster. You really can't use scripture to justify scripture, and you can't respond to legitimate questions/concerns/criticisms by telling people platitudes like "God loves you" or just study the bible. That's really condescending. It's why fundamentalist Christians get a bad name. Take debate seriously, please.

Anonymous wrote:New poster. You really can't use scripture to justify scripture, and you can't respond to legitimate questions/concerns/criticisms by telling people platitudes like "God loves you" or just study the bible. That's really condescending. It's why fundamentalist Christians get a bad name. Take debate seriously, please.

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Anonymous wrote:God does not bring you misery, so he most certainly is not going to give you 'just enough' of it
I hate that saying.
I think it is most often a perversion (for lack of a better word ) of 2 Corinthians 12:9
9 " But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me."

Tell that to Job.

1) God allowed Satan to do that -- God did not do it

2) That was the old Testament -- when we were under the curse -- After Christ - we are under the Blood
that was why Christ was sent.
God says 'never to turn my face to you in wrath again

And pray, where did Satan come from?

Without being disrespectful, have you ever read the bible with the description of the battle in the heavens with Lucifer and God? Lucifer was the most beautiful and awesome of angels until he decided he was bigger and badder than the One who created him.

Isaiah 14:12-15
The Fall of Lucifer

12 “How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,[a] son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.

Of course. But God is all powerful and all knowing. So he knew, when he created Lucifer, what would happen. Just as he knew, when he created Eve, what would happen. If God did not want evil in the world, he should never have created a tree of knowledge of good and evil in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:How about flesh eating bacteria? Where is the free will there?

Now, you're being ridiculous. Again, sin compromised EVERYTHING but that will only make sense if you understand and identify with the consequences of sin and its impact on everything and everybody, warping and creating abnormalities.

Again, it's hard to make sense without understanding the biblical references to the impact of sin. If you are not into the Word, then it is and will always make no sense to a non-believer. But even we believers don't understand everything so we walk by faith, not by sight. You have to decide how you will walk and what you believe.

I'm sorry, but you cannot simply say, "It's a faith thing, you wouldn't understand." These things are debatable, and have been debated for centuries. I'll accept whatever you say is based on faith, so you can say that for you, logic is the work of the devil, and that's a fine reason for not engaging in debate. But you should at least admit to what you're basing on faith.

For example, you say that sin compromised everything, so I return to my question above: does that mean it's your view that without original sin, there would be no earthquakes, ebola, or cancer?

Also, a pp points out that Christ died for our sins and redeemed the world. Why do we still have evil then?

There would not be natural disasters were it not for original sin,
Christ died for all but only those who accept that sacrifice benefit. It is a free gift but you have to accept that gift. That us what the bible teaches.

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Anonymous wrote:How about flesh eating bacteria? Where is the free will there?

Now, you're being ridiculous. Again, sin compromised EVERYTHING but that will only make sense if you understand and identify with the consequences of sin and its impact on everything and everybody, warping and creating abnormalities.

Again, it's hard to make sense without understanding the biblical references to the impact of sin. If you are not into the Word, then it is and will always make no sense to a non-believer. But even we believers don't understand everything so we walk by faith, not by sight. You have to decide how you will walk and what you believe.

I'm sorry, but you cannot simply say, "It's a faith thing, you wouldn't understand." These things are debatable, and have been debated for centuries. I'll accept whatever you say is based on faith, so you can say that for you, logic is the work of the devil, and that's a fine reason for not engaging in debate. But you should at least admit to what you're basing on faith.

For example, you say that sin compromised everything, so I return to my question above: does that mean it's your view that without original sin, there would be no earthquakes, ebola, or cancer?

Also, a pp points out that Christ died for our sins and redeemed the world. Why do we still have evil then?

There would not be natural disasters were it not for original sin,
Christ died for all but only those who accept that sacrifice benefit. It is a free gift but you have to accept that gift. That us what the bible teaches.

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Anonymous wrote:How about flesh eating bacteria? Where is the free will there?

Now, you're being ridiculous. Again, sin compromised EVERYTHING but that will only make sense if you understand and identify with the consequences of sin and its impact on everything and everybody, warping and creating abnormalities.

Again, it's hard to make sense without understanding the biblical references to the impact of sin. If you are not into the Word, then it is and will always make no sense to a non-believer. But even we believers don't understand everything so we walk by faith, not by sight. You have to decide how you will walk and what you believe.

I'm sorry, but you cannot simply say, "It's a faith thing, you wouldn't understand." These things are debatable, and have been debated for centuries. I'll accept whatever you say is based on faith, so you can say that for you, logic is the work of the devil, and that's a fine reason for not engaging in debate. But you should at least admit to what you're basing on faith.

For example, you say that sin compromised everything, so I return to my question above: does that mean it's your view that without original sin, there would be no earthquakes, ebola, or cancer?

Also, a pp points out that Christ died for our sins and redeemed the world. Why do we still have evil then?[/quote

GOD: "Sorry, all this is your fault. Original sin and that. Sure I'm omnipotent, but you brought it on yourself."

So what you're saying is that God is the ultimate dysfunctional parent, then?

You ask excellent questions; however, I don't sense you've done any reading on your own. You make out God to be this bully that sits on the throne. Please study. You will still have questions but there will get a better understanding of who He is whether you go your way or His. God loves people like you, believe it or not. I was you at one time.