In your rush to insult, you missed the point 17:47--yes, sodomy has been around for eons, but has been illegal in many jurisdictions. For many, it would have been unimaginable for those laws to change and yet they rightly have. That is not to say that at some point age of consent laws won't change, too. Views on morality are fluid--just take a look back over the last 50-60 years.

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Total logical fallacy since we have age of consent laws.


Illogical argument in that we used to have laws against homosexuality on the books...


The constitutionality of age of consent laws isn't going anywhere, and you know it.

There was a time when people said the same thing about sodomy.

Sodomy has been common for eons.

When the average person decides to have sex with children, I guess we have something to worry about. Until then, go back under your rock.

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It has begun, soon a goat and 3 men can marry. Thanks gay marriage.

Gay marriage didn't start this trend. Hetrosexuals were the first to start marrying and now look what that has led to. Back in the days when you just had to club a woman and drag her back to your cave by her hair, we didn't have these kinds of problems.

Frankly, I'd like to go back to the days when men were actually not neutered by femi-Nazis - minus the club of course

Poor baby. Everyone knows women are the stronger sex anyway. You're finally in your rightful place.

Um... I'm the PP who made the statement - I'm a woman.

Ann Coulter, is that you?

Nope. But thank you for the complement

It's compliment, moron. Complement means you are a couple.

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Anonymous wrote:If they are born that way though, they can't be faulted for the sexual orientation they were born with. Yet their sexual orientation - which they can't choose or change - hurts others. So how do we acknowledge the struggle they have to have a sexual orientation that they can't change and that they didn't choose but that is socially unacceptable, and hurts others. Is it fair to ask someone to suppress their natural sexuality? how do we deal with this?

Yes, because they are hurting children.

And also, th overwhelming majority of pedophiles aren't "born that way." They are made by the sexual abuse they experienced.

That changes nothing. Can't change the past. Must stop further damage.

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Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It has begun, soon a goat and 3 men can marry. Thanks gay marriage.

Gay marriage didn't start this trend. Hetrosexuals were the first to start marrying and now look what that has led to. Back in the days when you just had to club a woman and drag her back to your cave by her hair, we didn't have these kinds of problems.

Frankly, I'd like to go back to the days when men were actually not neutered by femi-Nazis - minus the club of course

Poor baby. Everyone knows women are the stronger sex anyway. You're finally in your rightful place.

Um... I'm the PP who made the statement - I'm a woman.

Ann Coulter, is that you?

Nope. But thank you for the complement

This thread is being fed by a hateful, bigoted, ignorant troll. I suggest we hang up.

Anonymous wrote:If they are born that way though, they can't be faulted for the sexual orientation they were born with. Yet their sexual orientation - which they can't choose or change - hurts others. So how do we acknowledge the struggle they have to have a sexual orientation that they can't change and that they didn't choose but that is socially unacceptable, and hurts others. Is it fair to ask someone to suppress their natural sexuality? how do we deal with this?

No, they cannot be faulted that way. If they could find a target of their interest who was able to consent to a mutual relationship, they could pursue it, but the current Constitutional law says that minors under the age of consent as defined by each jurisdiction CANNOT CONSENT. They are entitled to move to anyplace that has an age of consent that allows them to pursue a relationship with someone that they find interests them. Otherwise, they have to heed the local age of consent. There are places with ages of consent as low as 12...but not in the United States. So, your pedophile is welcome to leave the US for any jurisdiction that meets their need. If they don't, they have to follow the local laws. We don't accept illegal behavior that may be legal in other countries here in the US towards adults and we especially shouldn't do so for innocent children.

How wonderful it would be if the pedophiles and pederasts were to leave the country for other countries where the age of consent is lower. Until then, we will continue to maintain and prosecute laws based on the local age of consent.

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Total logical fallacy since we have age of consent laws.


Illogical argument in that we used to have laws against homosexuality on the books...


The constitutionality of age of consent laws isn't going anywhere, and you know it.

There was a time when people said the same thing about sodomy.

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Anonymous wrote:It has begun, soon a goat and 3 men can marry. Thanks gay marriage.

Maybe not this, but I bet the polygamists are waiting in wings to have their marriages legalized.

Not the gay community's problem. Besides, polygamy seems like it's pretty much a hetero thing.

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Total logical fallacy since we have age of consent laws.

Illogical argument in that we used to have laws against homosexuality on the books...

The constitutionality of age of consent laws isn't going anywhere, and you know it.

Anonymous wrote:It has begun, soon a goat and 3 men can marry. Thanks gay marriage.

Maybe not this, but I bet the polygamists are waiting in wings to have their marriages legalized.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they are born that way though, they can't be faulted for the sexual orientation they were born with. Yet their sexual orientation - which they can't choose or change - hurts others. So how do we acknowledge the struggle they have to have a sexual orientation that they can't change and that they didn't choose but that is socially unacceptable, and hurts others. Is it fair to ask someone to suppress their natural sexuality? how do we deal with this?

Yes, because they are hurting children.

And also, th overwhelming majority of pedophiles aren't "born that way." They are made by the sexual abuse they experienced.

Sexual orientation minorities (non heterosexuals) also have much higher rates of sexual abuse as well as other abuse and traumas and general childhood maltreatment. I don't doubt that pedophiles are impacted as well by childhood maltreatment. However it isn't a 100% correlation. It makes sense that abuse and trauma - that impacts trust, sexual identity, safety, attachment, self-worth, relational competencies would impact sexual orientation as it impacts almost every area of development. However like personality there are innate qualities that for some people override nurture/ abuse. Not all people who have been abused are non heterosexual and not all people who are non heterosexual have been abused. The same is true for pedophiles - not all have histories of sexual abuse - some are just born that way.

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Total logical fallacy since we have age of consent laws.

Illogical argument in that we used to have laws against homosexuality on the books...

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they are born that way though, they can't be faulted for the sexual orientation they were born with. Yet their sexual orientation - which they can't choose or change - hurts others. So how do we acknowledge the struggle they have to have a sexual orientation that they can't change and that they didn't choose but that is socially unacceptable, and hurts others. Is it fair to ask someone to suppress their natural sexuality? how do we deal with this?

Yes, because they are hurting children.

And also, th overwhelming majority of pedophiles aren't "born that way." They are made by the sexual abuse they experienced.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It has begun, soon a goat and 3 men can marry. Thanks gay marriage.

Gay marriage didn't start this trend. Hetrosexuals were the first to start marrying and now look what that has led to. Back in the days when you just had to club a woman and drag her back to your cave by her hair, we didn't have these kinds of problems.

Frankly, I'd like to go back to the days when men were actually not neutered by femi-Nazis - minus the club of course

Poor baby. Everyone knows women are the stronger sex anyway. You're finally in your rightful place.

Um... I'm the PP who made the statement - I'm a woman.

Ann Coulter, is that you?