Anonymous
08/14/2013 20:41
Subject: public vs. charter
Anonymous wrote:Didn't know Janney had black students. Kidding. Must be the same type as the ones at Oyster. See them being dropped off in the Mercedes...
So what?!? Now the black students at Janney and Oyster aren't poor enough for your liking? Get over it!
Anonymous
08/14/2013 20:39
Subject: public vs. charter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For the rest of Oyster:
82 White students, 100% Math and 100% Reading
259 Hispanics, 79% Math and 75% Reading
133 FARM, 68% Math and 67% Reading
Agree with PP. Not impressed. Great school if you are white!
Yes it is! Which school's white students score better?
None. But those white students will do fine at any school. White students' scores are not very interesting since in DC, white is synonymous with high SES especially considering the neighborhood in-bounds for Oyster. Better to look at FARM as an indication of teaching quality and looking at those scores, the charters like KIPP do better. Would be interesting to see in-bounds scores vs out bound scores but you can't have everything.
Yes, except THOSE white students are kicking everyone's ass at a bilingual school. Way to go Oyster (and kids and parents)! Let's give credit where credit is due. Even JKLM's white students didn't make a perfect score in both math and reading, and they only have to learn in one language. What's their excuse?
Anonymous
08/14/2013 20:33
Subject: public vs. charter
Didn't know Janney had black students. Kidding. Must be the same type as the ones at Oyster. See them being dropped off in the Mercedes...
. Must be the same type as the ones at Oyster. See them being dropped off in the Mercedes...
Anonymous
08/14/2013 20:18
Subject: public vs. charter
Anonymous wrote:For the rest of Oyster:
82 White students, 100% Math and 100% Reading
259 Hispanics, 79% Math and 75% Reading
133 FARM, 68% Math and 67% Reading
Agree with PP. Not impressed. Great school if you are white!
And it's pretty damn good if you're black. Of the JKLM students, only Janney's black students do better--but it's pretty close (a combined math and reading score at Janney of 78.3% compared to 76.6% at Oyster). And unlike Janney, Oyster's students can read both English and Spanish.
Anonymous
08/14/2013 19:58
Subject: public vs. charter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For the rest of Oyster:
82 White students, 100% Math and 100% Reading
259 Hispanics, 79% Math and 75% Reading
133 FARM, 68% Math and 67% Reading
Agree with PP. Not impressed. Great school if you are white!
Yes it is! Which school's white students score better?
None. But those white students will do fine at any school. White students' scores are not very interesting since in DC, white is synonymous with high SES especially considering the neighborhood in-bounds for Oyster. Better to look at FARM as an indication of teaching quality and looking at those scores, the charters like KIPP do better. Would be interesting to see in-bounds scores vs out bound scores but you can't have everything.
Anonymous
08/14/2013 19:12
Subject: public vs. charter
Anonymous wrote:For the rest of Oyster:
82 White students, 100% Math and 100% Reading
259 Hispanics, 79% Math and 75% Reading
133 FARM, 68% Math and 67% Reading
Agree with PP. Not impressed. Great school if you are white!
Yes it is! Which school's white students score better?
Anonymous
08/14/2013 19:01
Subject: public vs. charter
For the rest of Oyster:
82 White students, 100% Math and 100% Reading
259 Hispanics, 79% Math and 75% Reading
133 FARM, 68% Math and 67% Reading
Agree with PP. Not impressed. Great school if you are white!
82 White students, 100% Math and 100% Reading
259 Hispanics, 79% Math and 75% Reading
133 FARM, 68% Math and 67% Reading
Agree with PP. Not impressed. Great school if you are white!
Anonymous
08/14/2013 18:50
Subject: Re:public vs. charter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:which charters fare better then the top jklm publics? some may be better "fits" smaller rooms etc but which ones would actually perform better?
Take away JKLM which has zero FARM and charters kill DCPS. Also charters for 6th grade and up are better than DCPS no matter location.
Maybe I missed something. Which elementary charters have better scores than Oyster which is 29% FARMs and dual immersion?
Oyster is included in JKLM as are both "M" schools. Calm down.
I disagree with your assertion that Oyster should be lumped with that group of schools. While it is WOTP (grades PK-3rd) and boasts good tests scores, Oyster is way more racially, economically, culturally and linguistically diverse than JKLM. IMO, being a part of that relatively homogenous group of schools is not something that Oyster should aspire to. While there is always room for improvement, Oyster really is in a class of its own.
Eh...I just saw Oyster's breakdown by race and income. Not impressed at all. It's fair to say the 50 "advanced" white kids are artificially inflating the school's overall numbers. Was very disappointed to see the ELL, FARM and Black students are struggling.
What are you talking about? The black students at Oyster have the following advanced/proficient scores: 71.9% in reading and 81.3% in math. While there is certainly room for improvement, I fail to see how those scores indicate that black students are “struggling.” For that, look at Tyler, Yu Ying, Stokes and every other dual immersion school (and most non-immersion schools) in DC. Most schools in DC would give their right arm to have their students achieve similar scores. Further, those solid scores have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Oyster is still the most racially, economically, culturally and linguistically diverse school in Ward 3 (and most/all of DC). Please rely on facts and not your silly opinion.
Oyster has 32 black students who took the test out of a total school population of ~400. So less than 10% in a city where the AA population is approximately half. Oyster's demographics look a lot like JKLMM so their scores should be high.
Anonymous
08/14/2013 17:43
Subject: Re:public vs. charter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:which charters fare better then the top jklm publics? some may be better "fits" smaller rooms etc but which ones would actually perform better?
Take away JKLM which has zero FARM and charters kill DCPS. Also charters for 6th grade and up are better than DCPS no matter location.
Maybe I missed something. Which elementary charters have better scores than Oyster which is 29% FARMs and dual immersion?
Oyster is included in JKLM as are both "M" schools. Calm down.
I disagree with your assertion that Oyster should be lumped with that group of schools. While it is WOTP (grades PK-3rd) and boasts good tests scores, Oyster is way more racially, economically, culturally and linguistically diverse than JKLM. IMO, being a part of that relatively homogenous group of schools is not something that Oyster should aspire to. While there is always room for improvement, Oyster really is in a class of its own.
Eh...I just saw Oyster's breakdown by race and income. Not impressed at all. It's fair to say the 50 "advanced" white kids are artificially inflating the school's overall numbers. Was very disappointed to see the ELL, FARM and Black students are struggling.
What are you talking about? The black students at Oyster have the following advanced/proficient scores: 71.9% in reading and 81.3% in math. While there is certainly room for improvement, I fail to see how those scores indicate that black students are “struggling.” For that, look at Tyler, Yu Ying, Stokes and every other dual immersion school (and most non-immersion schools) in DC. Most schools in DC would give their right arm to have their students achieve similar scores. Further, those solid scores have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Oyster is still the most racially, economically, culturally and linguistically diverse school in Ward 3 (and most/all of DC). Please rely on facts and not your silly opinion.
Anonymous
08/13/2013 17:23
Subject: Re:public vs. charter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:which charters fare better then the top jklm [DCPS] publics? some may be better "fits" smaller rooms etc but which ones would actually perform better?
None*
You cut right to the heart of the matter here. Let's say it again: none.
* this answer is for elementary schools only. I do think in a few years, BASIS will surpass Deal in quantifiable results --- depending on which faction wrests control of BASIS (ie, the common sense founder types, OR, the litigating dreamers who think it makes sense for kids with four LDs and an IQ of 89 to apply to BASIS in the first place and demand a watered-down experience once they're in.
deal can't opt out of educating children w/ disabilities. Why should basis opt out? I think it speaks to what a great school deal is that they educate all kinds of children while basis seems to be just a drill and kill school.
Most students at Deal, and eventually all of them, will come from one of the most affluent neighborhoods in the country. Take a look at BASIS's DC CAS results broken down by group and you'll see it is a title one school that takes kids from every walk of life. It ain't so easy to pigeon hole like you want to.
I had no idea being from a wealthy neighborhood makes you immune from having special needs or learning disabilities. Who knew?!
BASIS isn't "immune" either, and if this was in followon to the previous suggestion that they "opt out" that's just not true - they serve kids with special needs and learning disabilities.
Anonymous
08/13/2013 15:52
Subject: Re:public vs. charter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:which charters fare better then the top jklm [DCPS] publics? some may be better "fits" smaller rooms etc but which ones would actually perform better?
None*
You cut right to the heart of the matter here. Let's say it again: none.
* this answer is for elementary schools only. I do think in a few years, BASIS will surpass Deal in quantifiable results --- depending on which faction wrests control of BASIS (ie, the common sense founder types, OR, the litigating dreamers who think it makes sense for kids with four LDs and an IQ of 89 to apply to BASIS in the first place and demand a watered-down experience once they're in.
deal can't opt out of educating children w/ disabilities. Why should basis opt out? I think it speaks to what a great school deal is that they educate all kinds of children while basis seems to be just a drill and kill school.
Most students at Deal, and eventually all of them, will come from one of the most affluent neighborhoods in the country. Take a look at BASIS's DC CAS results broken down by group and you'll see it is a title one school that takes kids from every walk of life. It ain't so easy to pigeon hole like you want to.
I had no idea being from a wealthy neighborhood makes you immune from having special needs or learning disabilities. Who knew?!
There are several types of "special needs" that can impact a child's education. Some needs occur across economic class with no great gaps in proportion, while others show up in school statistics disproportionately often in lower SES student populations (ex: ADHD). The PP you are being snarky to has a very valid point about Deal, and never said being wealthy makes you immune, but was pointing out that Basis's scores are indeed impressive because they're starting with a student population with way more challenges to academic success than Deal.
Anonymous
08/13/2013 15:34
Subject: Re:public vs. charter
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:which charters fare better then the top jklm [DCPS] publics? some may be better "fits" smaller rooms etc but which ones would actually perform better?
None*
You cut right to the heart of the matter here. Let's say it again: none.
* this answer is for elementary schools only. I do think in a few years, BASIS will surpass Deal in quantifiable results --- depending on which faction wrests control of BASIS (ie, the common sense founder types, OR, the litigating dreamers who think it makes sense for kids with four LDs and an IQ of 89 to apply to BASIS in the first place and demand a watered-down experience once they're in.
deal can't opt out of educating children w/ disabilities. Why should basis opt out? I think it speaks to what a great school deal is that they educate all kinds of children while basis seems to be just a drill and kill school.
Most students at Deal, and eventually all of them, will come from one of the most affluent neighborhoods in the country. Take a look at BASIS's DC CAS results broken down by group and you'll see it is a title one school that takes kids from every walk of life. It ain't so easy to pigeon hole like you want to.
I had no idea being from a wealthy neighborhood makes you immune from having special needs or learning disabilities. Who knew?!