Anonymous
04/27/2017 23:59
Subject: Re:Anyone ever hire interns on F1 student Visas? or been in that boat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:IT industry here. We can't get enough qualified "Americans" to fill the jobs. The universities simply aren't pumping out enough people with these skills. Yes, we need a change in the "system" to direct more kids to STEM studies, but that's a long-term issue and I don't have time as an employer to embark on that societal change.
I think any foreign student graduating with an advanced degree in a high demand field from a US university should automatically get a 5-year work permit for the US. They studied here, so why can't we use their skills to help American companies and the American economy, instead of them going back to China or India to work for companies that compete with us?
The UK has this scheme (it's called HSMP). I graduated with an advanced degree from a top university there, so I was automatically qualified for a UK work permit. I didn't bother applying since I didn't plan to work there, but I think it's good to keep top talent in the country instead of forcing them out.
30 year IT veteran.
This is completely bogus. Bill Gates would be proud. This is all about cheap labor.
But not everyone agrees. A study released Wednesday by the left-leaning Economic Policy Institute reinforces what a number of researchers have come to believe: that the STEM worker shortage is a myth.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/study-there-may-not-be-a-shortage-of-american-stem-graduates-after-all/2013/04/24/66099962-acea-11e2-a8b9-2a63d75b5459_story.html
America Has An Adequate Supply of STEM Workers; We Just Won’t Hire Them
The current state of manufacturing in the US is the future of IT unless we start taking care of our own US citizens first. And be careful about what you read form the Bill Gate's about H1B visas, H1B visas are good for
capital/owners, damn good, but they are not good for labor. And there are many more workers in the US than Bill Gates.
by pleading guilty, Kurusu admitted that from December 2012 to May last year, he defrauded several individuals out of more than USD 50,000 for a "visa package" provided by a company he owned which promised H1-B visas, teaching jobs, and the maintenance of those jobs and visas for his victims.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/nri/visa-and-immigration/indian-teacher-sentenced-for-h-1b-visa-fraud-in-us/articleshow/58403920.cms
Anonymous
06/13/2014 22:55
Subject: Re:Anyone ever hire interns on F1 student Visas? or been in that boat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: Accordwto friends still at Microsoft, Caucasian are fleeing Microsoft the first chance they get which is why the company hires h1b Indians.
I don't know if you got the cause and effect quite right.
Want to clarify. Large masses of... workers of one nationality distort the workplace culture and make it uninviting for others. Would be the same if visa workers were all Chinese or Russians - lack of diversity and the climate of H1B workplace suck, and in the end harms the company.
Anonymous
06/13/2014 22:48
Subject: Re:Anyone ever hire interns on F1 student Visas? or been in that boat?
Anonymous wrote: Accordwto friends still at Microsoft, Caucasian are fleeing Microsoft the first chance they get which is why the company hires h1b Indians.
I don't know if you got the cause and effect quite right.
Anonymous
06/13/2014 21:07
Subject: Re:Anyone ever hire interns on F1 student Visas? or been in that boat?
Anonymous wrote:The problem is not learning to code, anyone can do that, the problem is getting a job using those skills. Firms like Intel, Face Book, Google, and many others save millions each year by bringing in low wage workers from India or China and paying them with green cards worth at least $200,000 in public benefits that the middle class taxpayers contribute large amounts of their income to, and the 1% contribute less than 1% of their income to. Big firms socialize the cost of their labor and they can't do that if they hire US citizens.
And, they don't hire or retain workers over 35. Just when you need money for a family, they say your skills are old (they never say a 35 year old doctor or, lawyer, or project manager has old skills, just people who will be needing money to send their children to college, and expect a share in of the profits).
More than half all US born engineers in the USA have already been replaced by low wage workers from India and China (how come the IT industry finds so few "genius" workers in Norway, France, Sweden, or England? Wages.)
More than half of US STEM graduates can not find jobs using the skills they trained for, and were taught, most often by guys over 35.
More than 70% of the workers brought into the USA to take jobs that recent college graduates are trained to do, are certified by their employers to be ordinary workers coming to do ordinary jobs, like using applications to implement a business use (maybe a web site) not creating software.
My husband, white, male, American and over 45 got a job at Google last year. Unlike Microsoft that now seems to hire only Indians on visas, Google tends to hire Americans and Europeans. Accordwto friends still at Microsoft, Caucasian are fleeing Microsoft the first chance they get which is why the company hires h1b Indians.
Anonymous
06/12/2014 21:02
Subject: Re:Anyone ever hire interns on F1 student Visas? or been in that boat?
NEW YORK: Five Indians have been arrested and charged with participating in a wide-ranging student visa and financial aid fraud schemes in the US.
Suresh Hiranandaney (60), Lalit Chabria (54), Anita Chabria (49), Seema Shah (41) and Samir Hiranandaney (27) face student visa fraud, wire fraud and student financial aid fraud and were presented before US Magistrate Judge Gabriel Gorenstein in Manhattan federal court here on Thursday.
The charges carry prison time from five to 20 years.
"Through their for-profit schools, the defendants defrauded the government and exploited their students. For their personal financial gain, the defendants allegedly made false certifications about the schools' compliance with visa and financial aid regulations when, in fact, they were not," Manhattan federal prosecutor Preet Bharara said.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement's Homeland Security Investigations Special Agent-in-Charge James Hayes said the defendants allegedly "orchestrated a wide ranging fraud scheme, which included the falsification of student and financial aid files and failure to report to the government students who were non-compliant with the terms of their student visas, that victimized American taxpayers."
According to the complaint, the five were associated with for-profit school Micropower Career Institute (MCI) which had five campuses in New York and New Jersey, as well as with the Institute for Health Education (IHE).
Suresh Hiranandaney (60), Lalit Chabria (54), Anita Chabria (49), Seema Shah (41) and Samir Hiranandaney (27) face student visa fraud, wire fraud and student financial aid fraud and were presented before US Magistrate Judge Gabriel Gorenstein in Manhattan federal court here on Thursday.
The charges carry prison time from five to 20 years.
"Through their for-profit schools, the defendants defrauded the government and exploited their students. For their personal financial gain, the defendants allegedly made false certifications about the schools' compliance with visa and financial aid regulations when, in fact, they were not," Manhattan federal prosecutor Preet Bharara said.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement's Homeland Security Investigations Special Agent-in-Charge James Hayes said the defendants allegedly "orchestrated a wide ranging fraud scheme, which included the falsification of student and financial aid files and failure to report to the government students who were non-compliant with the terms of their student visas, that victimized American taxpayers."
According to the complaint, the five were associated with for-profit school Micropower Career Institute (MCI) which had five campuses in New York and New Jersey, as well as with the Institute for Health Education (IHE).
Anonymous
06/04/2014 22:25
Subject: Re:Anyone ever hire interns on F1 student Visas? or been in that boat?
Time to bump those H1B limits and expand the F1 Student Visas!!!
http://money.cnn.com/2014/06/04/news/economy/american-dream/index.html?iid=HP_LN
So say nearly 6 in 10 people who responded to CNNMoney's American Dream Poll, conducted by ORC International. They feel the dream -- however they define it -- is out of reach.
Young adults, age 18 to 34, are most likely to feel the dream is unattainable, with 63% saying it's impossible. This age group has suffered in the wake of the Great Recession, finding it hard to get good jobs.
Younger Americans are a cause of great concern. Many respondents said they are worried about the next generation's ability to prosper. Some 63% of all Americans said most children in the U.S. won't be better off than their parents. This dour view comes despite most respondents, 54%, feeling they are better off than their own parents.
The downbeat mood is not surprising, say economic mobility experts.
"The pessimism is reflective of the financial realities a lot of families are facing," said Erin Currier, the director of the Economic Mobility Project at Pew Charitable Trusts. "They are treading water, but their income is not translating into solid financial security."
http://money.cnn.com/2014/06/04/news/economy/american-dream/index.html?iid=HP_LN
So say nearly 6 in 10 people who responded to CNNMoney's American Dream Poll, conducted by ORC International. They feel the dream -- however they define it -- is out of reach.
Young adults, age 18 to 34, are most likely to feel the dream is unattainable, with 63% saying it's impossible. This age group has suffered in the wake of the Great Recession, finding it hard to get good jobs.
Younger Americans are a cause of great concern. Many respondents said they are worried about the next generation's ability to prosper. Some 63% of all Americans said most children in the U.S. won't be better off than their parents. This dour view comes despite most respondents, 54%, feeling they are better off than their own parents.
The downbeat mood is not surprising, say economic mobility experts.
"The pessimism is reflective of the financial realities a lot of families are facing," said Erin Currier, the director of the Economic Mobility Project at Pew Charitable Trusts. "They are treading water, but their income is not translating into solid financial security."
Anonymous
05/21/2014 08:49
Subject: Re:Anyone ever hire interns on F1 student Visas? or been in that boat?
but the dirty secret at many universities is that they WANT these foreign students over local students b/c they pay higher tuition rates. they typically come from wealthy families back home willing to pay. they are also willing to post doc at large research universities for peanuts. most americans are unwilling to accept those low wages and grind the hours (endless hours and being basically owned by the school and research grant owning prof.)
my husband did it, but he was one of two whites with all other foreigners.
my husband did it, but he was one of two whites with all other foreigners.
Anonymous
05/21/2014 08:42
Subject: Re:Anyone ever hire interns on F1 student Visas? or been in that boat?
http://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/AnnualReports/FY2013AnnualReport/FY13AnnualReport-TableXVII.pdf
chinese and indians are flooding the american schools and taking spots from americans, think of this when your child is unable to get into the college they want, we allocate a huge number of spots for children from the other side of the world but not your own neighborhood.
see list of non-immigrant visas by type, F1 Visa are for students.
chinese and indians are flooding the american schools and taking spots from americans, think of this when your child is unable to get into the college they want, we allocate a huge number of spots for children from the other side of the world but not your own neighborhood.
see list of non-immigrant visas by type, F1 Visa are for students.
Anonymous
05/20/2014 09:23
Subject: Anyone ever hire interns on F1 student Visas? or been in that boat?
Anonymous wrote:Pp, I think there is more to the story. Corporate espionism is nothing new. Americans steal secrets from Americans too.
Chinese thiefs are government sponsored thiefs.
for detailed analysis see - https://www.mandiant.com/ , from last spring.
also, we don't send 300,000 American students to china to learn china technology and bring home. China wouldn't be dumb enough to do that.
only in america with it's political correctness would the culture accept 300,000 college students on F1 visas, teach them, train them in current technologies, and then send them back to their own country, all while having millions of our own citizens unemployed.
Anonymous
05/19/2014 23:24
Subject: Anyone ever hire interns on F1 student Visas? or been in that boat?
Pp, I think there is more to the story. Corporate espionism is nothing new. Americans steal secrets from Americans too.
Anonymous
05/19/2014 22:22
Subject: Re:Anyone ever hire interns on F1 student Visas? or been in that boat?
Today on the news ....
Attorney General Eric Holder announced Monday that members of the Chinese military have engaged in the hacking of American businesses and entities, including U.S. Steel Corp., Westinghouse, Alcoa, Allegheny Technologies, the United Steel Workers Union and SolarWorld.
The victims operate in Pennsylvania, and a grand jury there returned a 31-count indictment against members of the Chinese military, accusing them of violating federal law by hacking to spy and steal secrets, Holder said.
Eric Holder: Chinese military hacked us U.S. to file charges for Chinese hacking FBI arrests hundreds in hacking crackdown
The indictment alleges that five People's Liberation Army officers "maintained unauthorized access to victim computers to steal information from these entities that would be useful" to the victims' competitors in China, the attorney general said.
Their names are Wang Dong, Sun Kailiang, Wen Xinyu, Huang Zhenyu and Gu Chunhui, according to the indictment.
In Previous news ...
Students from China, India and South Korea now make up 49 percent of the total number of international students in the United States. Much of the increase in international students stems from China. The number of Chinese students enrolled in U.S. colleges and universities increased by 21 percent in total to almost 235,000 students, according to the report. That number jumped to 26 percent at the undergraduate level.
What a culture, we train our own enemies, take jobs from our children and give them to other peoples children. And still we are clueless on what is happening around us.
Attorney General Eric Holder announced Monday that members of the Chinese military have engaged in the hacking of American businesses and entities, including U.S. Steel Corp., Westinghouse, Alcoa, Allegheny Technologies, the United Steel Workers Union and SolarWorld.
The victims operate in Pennsylvania, and a grand jury there returned a 31-count indictment against members of the Chinese military, accusing them of violating federal law by hacking to spy and steal secrets, Holder said.
Eric Holder: Chinese military hacked us U.S. to file charges for Chinese hacking FBI arrests hundreds in hacking crackdown
The indictment alleges that five People's Liberation Army officers "maintained unauthorized access to victim computers to steal information from these entities that would be useful" to the victims' competitors in China, the attorney general said.
Their names are Wang Dong, Sun Kailiang, Wen Xinyu, Huang Zhenyu and Gu Chunhui, according to the indictment.
In Previous news ...
Students from China, India and South Korea now make up 49 percent of the total number of international students in the United States. Much of the increase in international students stems from China. The number of Chinese students enrolled in U.S. colleges and universities increased by 21 percent in total to almost 235,000 students, according to the report. That number jumped to 26 percent at the undergraduate level.
What a culture, we train our own enemies, take jobs from our children and give them to other peoples children. And still we are clueless on what is happening around us.
Anonymous
05/11/2014 14:20
Subject: Re:Anyone ever hire interns on F1 student Visas? or been in that boat?
The problem is not learning to code, anyone can do that, the problem is getting a job using those skills. Firms like Intel, Face Book, Google, and many others save millions each year by bringing in low wage workers from India or China and paying them with green cards worth at least $200,000 in public benefits that the middle class taxpayers contribute large amounts of their income to, and the 1% contribute less than 1% of their income to. Big firms socialize the cost of their labor and they can't do that if they hire US citizens.
And, they don't hire or retain workers over 35. Just when you need money for a family, they say your skills are old (they never say a 35 year old doctor or, lawyer, or project manager has old skills, just people who will be needing money to send their children to college, and expect a share in of the profits).
More than half all US born engineers in the USA have already been replaced by low wage workers from India and China (how come the IT industry finds so few "genius" workers in Norway, France, Sweden, or England? Wages.)
More than half of US STEM graduates can not find jobs using the skills they trained for, and were taught, most often by guys over 35.
More than 70% of the workers brought into the USA to take jobs that recent college graduates are trained to do, are certified by their employers to be ordinary workers coming to do ordinary jobs, like using applications to implement a business use (maybe a web site) not creating software.
And, they don't hire or retain workers over 35. Just when you need money for a family, they say your skills are old (they never say a 35 year old doctor or, lawyer, or project manager has old skills, just people who will be needing money to send their children to college, and expect a share in of the profits).
More than half all US born engineers in the USA have already been replaced by low wage workers from India and China (how come the IT industry finds so few "genius" workers in Norway, France, Sweden, or England? Wages.)
More than half of US STEM graduates can not find jobs using the skills they trained for, and were taught, most often by guys over 35.
More than 70% of the workers brought into the USA to take jobs that recent college graduates are trained to do, are certified by their employers to be ordinary workers coming to do ordinary jobs, like using applications to implement a business use (maybe a web site) not creating software.
Anonymous
05/09/2014 17:22
Subject: Re:Anyone ever hire interns on F1 student Visas? or been in that boat?
It has become quite clear that America has more high-tech college graduates than needed to fill high-tech jobs now and, importantly, the nation will keep producing many more such graduates than job openings in the future — so why the shrill calls from the industry that there is a shortage?
The debate revolves around two sets of initials: STEM (science, technology, engineering, and math) graduates and workers and the H-1B temporary worker program that floods our labor markets with low-cost, docile, high-tech nonimmigrant graduates, mostly working in computer-related industries.
Why the demands, as supported by the Senate's Gang of Eight, from industry for huge increases in the number of H-1B workers? Is it a genuine shortage of talent, as the industry claims, or is it because, as the Wall Street Journal of all publications, put it, the firms want to continue to staff their operations "with Indian expatriates who earn significantly less than their American counterparts"? I think the Journal has it right.
The debate revolves around two sets of initials: STEM (science, technology, engineering, and math) graduates and workers and the H-1B temporary worker program that floods our labor markets with low-cost, docile, high-tech nonimmigrant graduates, mostly working in computer-related industries.
Why the demands, as supported by the Senate's Gang of Eight, from industry for huge increases in the number of H-1B workers? Is it a genuine shortage of talent, as the industry claims, or is it because, as the Wall Street Journal of all publications, put it, the firms want to continue to staff their operations "with Indian expatriates who earn significantly less than their American counterparts"? I think the Journal has it right.
Anonymous
05/07/2014 08:53
Subject: Re:Anyone ever hire interns on F1 student Visas? or been in that boat?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are you giving away jobs to foreigners when there are so many unemployed Americans?
Maybe because they are better qualified?
This is an internship for Pete's sake. It's not like there are no qualified college students who also happen to be US citizens.
Why discriminate?
Excuse me. Individuals with valid work authorization in the US. My company hires many workers of foreign origin but only those authorized to work in this country for any employer, which means Green card holder or naturalized US citizen. Very, very few candidates are worth the trouble of getting an H1 visa for them. Companies mostly do it so they can pay them very low wages.
In some fields (math heavy), there are very few qualified US citizens. My company does not pay low wages and we do go through the effort to hire those on H1 B visas. We have a few positions that require the applicant to be a citizen and those take much longer for us to fill.
typical example, subsidy to corporations by the republicans .....
Jan 14 , 2010 - senior executives at Molina Healthcare in Long Beach, Calif., called their staff together for a somber meeting. The company had done poorly the previous quarter, they announced. Dozens of people in the IT department would have to be let go.
What the fired employees didn’t know was that the previous day, the US Department of Labor had approved applications for 40 temporary workers from India to be placed at Molina, through a company called Cognizant.
The fired employees — all US citizens or green card holders — were earning an average of $75,000 a year, plus benefits; the new workers, brought on H-1B visas, earned $50,000, with no benefits, according to a lawsuit filed by the ex-employees. The lawsuit alleges that Molina was flush with cash at the time, and that the real reason employees were fired was their nationality.
“The business model is to replace Americans,” said James Otto, their attorney.
Not just at Molina, he said. “It’s happening across the country.”
"If you are an engineer and lose your job and you take a job as a sales clerk at Radio Shack, you’re counted as a sales clerk and not an unemployed engineer,” he said.
H-1B employers are required by law to pay the prevailing wage. The vast majority do, but Matloff said loopholes let employers underpay. Companies can save 20 percent to 50 percent while adhering to the letter of the law, he said, recouping the costs of government and legal fees required to bring a foreigner here.