Anonymous
05/05/2013 18:39
Subject: Re:Good WISC scores (and additional material) for appeal?
Yes, very awkward to find out about. I never asked anyone if they were applying -- assumed a few kids based on how they are at school (smart). I still don't know if anyone has gotten in or not. We did not get in, and I do not want anyone to ask me either.
Anonymous
05/05/2013 16:43
Subject: Re:Good WISC scores (and additional material) for appeal?
Anonymous wrote:My school, about 22 of 23 in pool kids made it and at least 2 referals that i know of.
I hope to God you are a teacher or an administrator not some nosey parent!!!!
Anonymous
05/05/2013 16:25
Subject: Re:Good WISC scores (and additional material) for appeal?
No, just a tight knit group of parents in second grade....
Anonymous
05/05/2013 16:15
Subject: Good WISC scores (and additional material) for appeal?
It's amazing that you know that! Did you already have the orientation?
Anonymous
05/05/2013 15:54
Subject: Re:Good WISC scores (and additional material) for appeal?
My school, about 22 of 23 in pool kids made it and at least 2 referals that i know of.
Anonymous
05/05/2013 15:50
Subject: Good WISC scores (and additional material) for appeal?
For the small sample of 7 kids that I know of from my school that were reviewed: 1 parent referreal accepted, 1 parent referral rejected. 5 kids who were in the pool that I know of made it, but I don't know of all that many kids yet. 3 of those kids were "sure things," and all three of those kids are quite old for the class.
It's a very awkward thing to find out about.
All the kids who made it certainly belong there as far as I can tell.
It's a very awkward thing to find out about.
All the kids who made it certainly belong there as far as I can tell.
Anonymous
05/05/2013 09:55
Subject: Good WISC scores (and additional material) for appeal?
Yes, pool smaller, but that doesn't necessarily restrict the number actually accepted, because of parent referrals. Curious to hear percentage of grade accepted.
Anonymous
05/05/2013 09:49
Subject: Good WISC scores (and additional material) for appeal?
those numbers aren't out yet, but i do know that the pool was significantly smaller this year because of the FAT test.
Anonymous
05/05/2013 09:44
Subject: Good WISC scores (and additional material) for appeal?
Anonymous wrote:This year the 2nd grade pool was much smaller because of the new FAT test. Also, the amount of kids accepted this year is much less.
The AAP office has let the program explode over the past few years and has gotten push back from SB, so they are making it harder to get in. One good score alone won't get you in anymore.
For appeals I think that the same numbers that got you in last year, may not be the same. Appeals may be much harder this year. The only kids that got in at our school are the real standouts. Just seems like the program is going back to a smaller size.
Has anyone found out what % got in this year? % accepted from pool, and % accepted from referral? Would gate center let you know if you asked?
Anonymous
05/05/2013 09:43
Subject: Good WISC scores (and additional material) for appeal?
This year the 2nd grade pool was much smaller because of the new FAT test. Also, the amount of kids accepted this year is much less.
The AAP office has let the program explode over the past few years and has gotten push back from SB, so they are making it harder to get in. One good score alone won't get you in anymore.
For appeals I think that the same numbers that got you in last year, may not be the same. Appeals may be much harder this year. The only kids that got in at our school are the real standouts. Just seems like the program is going back to a smaller size.
The AAP office has let the program explode over the past few years and has gotten push back from SB, so they are making it harder to get in. One good score alone won't get you in anymore.
For appeals I think that the same numbers that got you in last year, may not be the same. Appeals may be much harder this year. The only kids that got in at our school are the real standouts. Just seems like the program is going back to a smaller size.
Anonymous
05/05/2013 07:42
Subject: Re:Good WISC scores (and additional material) for appeal?
Sorry dear. I love the side that introduced me to Mercer Publishing (hence stellar test scores) and room parenting (hence stellar GBRS). The system is totally fair because my child got in, and the rest of you are whiners. P.S. to the Poster Who Takes Everything Literally: This is called SARCASM. Not everything you read on DCUM is gospel truth.
Anonymous
05/05/2013 06:35
Subject: Good WISC scores (and additional material) for appeal?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have never understood the anger and pushiness until now. My first child was s model in school and got in without me even filling out the parents' questionnaire. Now my son passed both nnnat (99%) and FxAT (97%), but was rejected for very low GBRS and work samples. As their parents, I know they have similar IQs, but different styles. I know my son needs AAP more as he could not concentrate if there is not enough challenge. But my daughter could be an excellent student anywhere.
Now I am a pushy parent and will appeal. Please tell me if somebody can stay calm if their kids have strong testing scores but rejected! Why bother to test at the first place then? Isn't the testing suppose to catch the kids who would otherwise not be noticed?
because the tests alone aren't determinative. Maybe they're looking for kids whose GBRS and work samples tend to corroborate the high test scores.
Any selection that is not based on test scores are subjective to bias from the school. In the end its FCPS family all over, so the central selection committee sometimes decides to ignore the aberration, and other times it is particular.
That would be true if the tests themselves were not gamed. The goal is to find the kids with IQ's above 130 (or somehting like that). The tests they administer do not measure IQ, but measure something that is related to IQ and other factors. That is why there is a GBRS.
The difficulty is to ID the genius that does not show it. In the days before test prep, you used the test. Today, enough people have gamed the test that they are not reliable. I really hate all sides of this.
Anonymous
05/05/2013 01:13
Subject: Re:Good WISC scores (and additional material) for appeal?
Anonymous wrote:I have a question based on the above comments. How is it possible that a child, who does very well in all tests (not only NNAT and FxAT but also WISC), plus has good grades (meaning that the child is not having any issues at school), doesn't have decent GBRS or strong work samples? What could be happening in the classroom to make this obviously very smart child not show any notable signs of intelligence, yet do well in grades and high-level tests? What could be a reasonable explanation for that?
I am in tears reading your comments! Can I copy this to my appeal letter?
Anonymous
05/05/2013 01:07
Subject: Re:Good WISC scores (and additional material) for appeal?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have a question based on the above comments. How is it possible that a child, who does very well in all tests (not only NNAT and FxAT but also WISC), plus has good grades (meaning that the child is not having any issues at school), doesn't have decent GBRS or strong work samples? What could be happening in the classroom to make this obviously very smart child not show any notable signs of intelligence, yet do well in grades and high-level tests? What could be a reasonable explanation for that?
They have a word for this. Its called "Prejudice".
+++.
Perplexed by this scenario too.
Anonymous
05/04/2013 21:52
Subject: Good WISC scores (and additional material) for appeal?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have never understood the anger and pushiness until now. My first child was s model in school and got in without me even filling out the parents' questionnaire. Now my son passed both nnnat (99%) and FxAT (97%), but was rejected for very low GBRS and work samples. As their parents, I know they have similar IQs, but different styles. I know my son needs AAP more as he could not concentrate if there is not enough challenge. But my daughter could be an excellent student anywhere.
Now I am a pushy parent and will appeal. Please tell me if somebody can stay calm if their kids have strong testing scores but rejected! Why bother to test at the first place then? Isn't the testing suppose to catch the kids who would otherwise not be noticed?
because the tests alone aren't determinative. Maybe they're looking for kids whose GBRS and work samples tend to corroborate the high test scores.
Any selection that is not based on test scores are subjective to bias from the school. In the end its FCPS family all over, so the central selection committee sometimes decides to ignore the aberration, and other times it is particular.