UVA only has 14,000 undergrad students. Not very many compared to all the VA kids who want to go there...

Anonymous wrote:I grew up in Northern Virginia. A lot of my friends' parents had done this when the kids were little. When it was time for college, the parents held it over their kids heads as a major sacrifice they had made for the kids. They wouldn't agree to help with college costs if the kid chose to go private or out of state. So my friends ended up going to VA colleges and resenting their parents.

Awwww, what a bunch of brats!

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Anonymous wrote:No. There's nothing stellar about UVA that Maryland or any other flagship state school can't offer.

I would leave DC for the crappy public schools, though. Hey, I did leave DC for the crappy public schools.

UVA's brand power outshines UMD by wide, wide margin. And I went to UMD, so I should know.

Yes, I understand what you're saying. I went to a "brand" school. And other friends of mine went to UMD. Those in the UMD honors college nonetheless went to top tier grad schools (e.g., Harvard Law; Georgetown Medicine; Stanford Econ; Yale Bio-chem; Michigan Psych). Maryland is a top-tier research institution, and with a couple of name profs writing recommendations for you--and with excellent entrance exam scores (let's face it: those count a ton)--you're in like flynn.

And if what you care about is getting a job in the DC metro area (hot hot hot), being close to DC counts for a ton.

I'm just sayin': Maryland's got a lot going for it.

I agree. I went to UMD for grad school. The school is solid and really does compete with UVA in many programs. I would admit, though, the perception is the UVA is better. UMD spends more money on its flagship.

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So you can see why a lot of Virginians are upset.

I really can't. Or rather, I see why they're upset, but they're directing their ire the wrong way (more on that in a minute). Virginia has made the decision to fund UVa and other state schools at a certain level. That level isn't sufficient to permit the school to admit 90% in-state students at current tuition rates. So the school either has to raise in-state tuition rates (significantly), or admit more out-of-state students. Virginia residents howl when in-state tuition is raised, and the state/Board of Regents won't do it. So that leaves one alternative. To channel President Clinton, it's just math.

Put another way, you can't have high in-state admissions with low tuition rates and skimpy state support. The numbers don't add up. Virginians who don't like this situation have only themselves to blame, because they elected the state government that won't fund higher education to the level they desire (because there is nothing worse than higher taxes, you see). If you'd like to see it change, change the composition of the state (sorry, *Commonwealth*) government. But you (collective Virginians, not you personally) elected a Governor who believes that working women are detrimental to the family and American society - you can't really act surprised when education isn't high on his priority list. After all, he became governor and apparently only received a shallow mockery of an education himself. And that's without even getting to the, ah, "gentlemen" you elect to the state house and senate. (By the way, those last few sentences also double as powerful reasons why many DC residents don't think too highly of moving to Virginia), in-state tuition notwithstanding).

As for the difficulty getting in from noVa, there's no question it exists. But the concentration of high SES, educated families in NoVa means that each in-state incoming class at UVa, for example, would be upwards of 80% NoVa residents. Even people who are personally affected should be able to see that such a situation would be completely untenable (as a political matter) for the school.

THIS ^^^ at 10:42 is the problem with this board. Someone tries to do something nice - take a big chunk of time during a bout of insomnia - and writes something that might be useful, perhaps not for the immediate poster, but to someone else reading DCUrban or someone coming across the thread much later, while reading the archives. Then, instead of thanking the poster, or adding any additional useful information to the debate as set up by OP, the nasties and the haters appear and start slinging mud and attempt to rip up the Poster's helpful essay by correcting grammar, spelling, vilifying him or her, making fun of being a red-neck, etc. Really, who wins or who benefits when you all do this? Are you getting kicks out releasing the anger that has welled up inside you during the weekday, so you can go and find someone smart on DCUrban moms and try to bring her down. Do you enjoy doing this. Is it therapeutic?

When these types of angry posts appear and people start calling each other nasty names, I simply leave such threads because I don't want to take part in nasty discussions like this. So I am taking leave of all of you and giving up DCUrban moms for Lent . Maybe ice cream too.

Also, I am not going to participate in thoughtful discussions and debates when a poster tries to hijack the theme of the thread via political screed. The bold material above (in case another reader doesn't know about it [I didn't - and I know the Governor - I had to look it up]) comes from a decades-old essay which the Governor allegedly wrote in 1989 while working towards his Masters Degree. Even if McDonnell thought women in 1989 should all be SAHM (which I cannot believe he did - while he may not have binders of women, he certainly has positioned many many women into high spots in the state, the very act of bringing it up now to correlate with percentages of in-state v. out-of-state tuition issues is just not helpful to anyone. Besides, even if it were true: assume you are a 49-51 year old man - what were you doing in 1989? How many times did you change your major? your philosophy of life? your politics? How much have you changed as a person since 1989? And why does the press get to unearth McDonnell's thesis but Obama won't allow us to see his grades or application to Occidental College; his thesis at Columbia; at Harvard, etc., and also his wife's supposedly very angry undergraduate thesis? To raise this minute matter in a thread about a D.C. move to VA to get into a VA school; is totally inappropriate for the topic of this board - which started out nicely as a way to help someone decide if it was worth contemplating a move to VA to take advantage of its terrific state school system. Parents do need venues to compare notes and to get information on a tough issue (college application process) that affects the parents of all college-bound kids. When the mud starts slinging - and in this thread we even have political attack - the moms and dads vote with their feet and leave.

As for the allegation about that McDonnell "does not make education a priority" - HOW on earth can say that? Do you read? Don't you know what he is doing to promote great STEM educations (Science. Tech. Engineering and Mathematics), both at the county school level and at the VA universities? Do you know about the STEM scholarships he is funding for women? Do you know about the pending bill to allot another 1,000 VA seats for IS? Do you know anything about what is really happening over here in "Hicksville"? I do, because I know him personally and am on one of his education boards.

Further to address the issue that PP claims: "McDonnell does not make Education a priority," for starters, lets Google McDonnell's name and Education Priorities, Education goals, STEM, etc. Wow, list after list, page after page, laying out McConnell initiatives in education. https://www.google.com/search?Bob+McDonnell+STEM&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS509US509&oq=Bob+McDonnell+STEM&aqs=chrome.0.57.14203&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF. I sit on one of those education boards that McDonnell created to help improve education in Virginia - many of those boards are filled with very competent women, so again, nay nay, again, to the allegation that he thought in 1986 that moms should stay home.

And why do say " . . .[A]pparently, McDonnell only received a shallow mockery of an education himself? Do you not thing Notre Dame is good?

So with that, I hereby sign off DCUrbanmoms for Lent. You may now argue amongst yourselves and say what you want because I am not coming back. . This attempt to help is a complete waste of my time.



Bye!

NoVa pays 80% of the taxes in the state. Therefore Nova should get 80% of the admissions or what ever the break down is. Anything less is redistribution of the wealth. I am sure the RoVa will not stand for socialism.

Anonymous wrote:DC Kindergartner Mom here. Thank you to all who explained it to me!

Make that Kindergardener. Stupid phone keyboard.

DC Kindergartner Mom here. Thank you to all who explained it to me!

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Anonymous wrote:Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. I have a kindergartner so college isn't really on the radar these days BUT I was under the impression that DC residents got in-state tuition rates at all public universities in the USA. This isn't true?

False. I think it's a $10k discount.

It's a federal grant that DC residents apply for to help offset the cost difference btw of being an OOS student. As a fellow parent of a Kindergardener, I will be shocked if there's any federal money for this by the time our kids get to be college age. If there is, I'd be shocked if they didn't lower the income restriction (it's currently $1M/year).

http://osse.dc.gov/service/dctag-get-funding-college

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Anonymous wrote:Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. I have a kindergartner so college isn't really on the radar these days BUT I was under the impression that DC residents got in-state tuition rates at all public universities in the USA. This isn't true?

False. I think it's a $10k discount.

It's not a discount. The state university isn't knocking $10,000 off tuition because you live in DC.

The DC TAG program provides up to $10,000 per year in assistance for eligible DC residents attending eligible colleges.

http://osse.dc.gov/service/dctag-get-funding-college

And PP, you're 12 tears away from college. You can't assume this will continue.

Anonymous wrote:Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. I have a kindergartner so college isn't really on the radar these days BUT I was under the impression that DC residents got in-state tuition rates at all public universities in the USA. This isn't true?

False. I think it's a $10k discount.

Who controls UVa's tuition? I'd bet you could double tuition and still fill every seat twice with qualified applicants. Then also offer aid packages of course.

Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. I have a kindergartner so college isn't really on the radar these days BUT I was under the impression that DC residents got in-state tuition rates at all public universities in the USA. This isn't true?

I see your point but I don't agree that if more funding went to UVA that the class would be made up on 80% NoVa residents. Virginia is a large state. The state schools that pepper the state are there to service all of Virginia. Also, UVA would bring in even more international students, like the Chinese who are flocking in droves to attend U.S. Universities and who are willing to not only pay full freight but bring daddy's check for a new building with them. So, in the end UVA might wind up with even more true diversity.

Sorry, that was unclear - I was talkign about two different things. If UVa didn't use in-state geography as an admissions consideration, the strength of the applications from NoVa would dominate the admissions class.

Short version, funding impacts in-state v. out-of-state admissions; geography impacts NoVa v. RoVa admissions. Sorry for the confusion.

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So you can see why a lot of Virginians are upset.

I really can't. Or rather, I see why they're upset, but they're directing their ire the wrong way (more on that in a minute). Virginia has made the decision to fund UVa and other state schools at a certain level. That level isn't sufficient to permit the school to admit 90% in-state students at current tuition rates. So the school either has to raise in-state tuition rates (significantly), or admit more out-of-state students. Virginia residents howl when in-state tuition is raised, and the state/Board of Regents won't do it. So that leaves one alternative. To channel President Clinton, it's just math.

Put another way, you can't have high in-state admissions with low tuition rates and skimpy state support. The numbers don't add up. Virginians who don't like this situation have only themselves to blame, because they elected the state government that won't fund higher education to the level they desire (because there is nothing worse than higher taxes, you see). If you'd like to see it change, change the composition of the state (sorry, *Commonwealth*) government. But you (collective Virginians, not you personally) elected a Governor who believes that working women are detrimental to the family and American society - you can't really act surprised when education isn't high on his priority list. After all, he became governor and apparently only received a shallow mockery of an education himself. And that's without even getting to the, ah, "gentlemen" you elect to the state house and senate. (By the way, those last few sentences also double as powerful reasons why many DC residents don't think too highly of moving to Virginia), in-state tuition notwithstanding).

As for the difficulty getting in from noVa, there's no question it exists. But the concentration of high SES, educated families in NoVa means that each in-state incoming class at UVa, for example, would be upwards of 80% NoVa residents. Even people who are personally affected should be able to see that such a situation would be completely untenable (as a political matter) for the school.

I see your point but I don't agree that if more funding went to UVA that the class would be made up on 80% NoVa residents. Virginia is a large state. The state schools that pepper the state are there to service all of Virginia. Also, UVA would bring in even more international students, like the Chinese who are flocking in droves to attend U.S. Universities and who are willing to not only pay full freight but bring daddy's check for a new building with them. So, in the end UVA might wind up with even more true diversity.

So you can see why a lot of Virginians are upset.

I really can't. Or rather, I see why they're upset, but they're directing their ire the wrong way (more on that in a minute). Virginia has made the decision to fund UVa and other state schools at a certain level. That level isn't sufficient to permit the school to admit 90% in-state students at current tuition rates. So the school either has to raise in-state tuition rates (significantly), or admit more out-of-state students. Virginia residents howl when in-state tuition is raised, and the state/Board of Regents won't do it. So that leaves one alternative. To channel President Clinton, it's just math.

Put another way, you can't have high in-state admissions with low tuition rates and skimpy state support. The numbers don't add up. Virginians who don't like this situation have only themselves to blame, because they elected the state government that won't fund higher education to the level they desire (because there is nothing worse than higher taxes, you see). If you'd like to see it change, change the composition of the state (sorry, *Commonwealth*) government. But you (collective Virginians, not you personally) elected a Governor who believes that working women are detrimental to the family and American society - you can't really act surprised when education isn't high on his priority list. After all, he became governor and apparently only received a shallow mockery of an education himself. And that's without even getting to the, ah, "gentlemen" you elect to the state house and senate. (By the way, those last few sentences also double as powerful reasons why many DC residents don't think too highly of moving to Virginia), in-state tuition notwithstanding).

As for the difficulty getting in from noVa, there's no question it exists. But the concentration of high SES, educated families in NoVa means that each in-state incoming class at UVa, for example, would be upwards of 80% NoVa residents. Even people who are personally affected should be able to see that such a situation would be completely untenable (as a political matter) for the school.