Ah, so it's really that you're all just offended. I get it now. Not confused. Offended. At least own that.

We want to have a jewish Bat Mitzvah but are not jewish. Don't judge me.

or

I enjoy wearing a Islamic Turban for fun but am not Islamic
Don't judge me.

or

I really like wearing Hijab's to the club and high tight miniskirts, it's really trendy!!
Don't judge me.
It's ok if against Christianity but not other religions!

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't read her mind. I read her posts and thought to myself, "that sounds nice. It sounds like a nice thing to do for your child." But if you read what she wrote and think, "give me a break," that's on you.

Actually, my first reaction was "this crazy hippy." But then she started getting rude and THEN I thought "give me a break."

+1

Anonymous wrote:I didn't read her mind. I read her posts and thought to myself, "that sounds nice. It sounds like a nice thing to do for your child." But if you read what she wrote and think, "give me a break," that's on you.

Actually, my first reaction was "this crazy hippy." But then she started getting rude and THEN I thought "give me a break."

16:10, you sound like a real charmer. And BTW, you're talking to multiple confused people here.

You've missed the point. Most posters don't find fault with a party or even a secular naming ceremony conducted by OP and partner. They just don't "get" the celebrant's role.

It looks like you have no clue what OP wants either. Let me help. Once you strip out the possible religious or legal roles for a "celebrant", here are some possible roles:
1. Light a candle
2. Bury the placenta
3. Talk for 1/2 hour about a family s/he's known for, oh, about 1/2 hour
4. Give the first toast (Master of Ceremonies role)
5. Preside over the gift grab, excuse me, gift opening
6. The celebrant's presence will make it harder for OP's crabby MIL to give her real opinion on the proceedings.

As you can see, no single person could perform all these roles well.

And BTW, what is a "baby blessing" in a secular context? What do the words "to bless" and "blessing" even mean in this situation?

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Anonymous wrote:OK 15:35, why don't you explain what OP wants the celebrant to do. Because, you see, it's a little hard to recommend someone when you don't know what the heck that someone is going to have to do.

Like the other PP said, it's not negativity, it's confusion.

You're just confused by your negativity. It's not that hard to figure out what a ceremony would look like. Someone posted a link above of a person that does "baby blessings" and such. You're so stuck on what this should be in your limited mind that you can't fathom that someone wants to celebrate in a non-religiously structured way that still acknowledges what a great, happy event the birth of a child is. And they want someone up there to state it, maybe read some secular readings, maybe some poetry. I think she's been very clear on the feeling she's going for and the intention of the day. You're just too closed minded and negative and offended to see it other than what you think it should be.

See, you seem to expect "open-mindedness" and "tolerance" where none is really warranted.

I think some people legitimately take offense at others who want to appropriate various traditions that hold great solemnity in their own belief systems for some peculiar, random, and empty purpose. This is kind of like a vegetarian who eats fake meat -- what's the point? Why the poor imitation?

I didn't read her mind. I read her posts and thought to myself, "that sounds nice. It sounds like a nice thing to do for your child." But if you read what she wrote and think, "give me a break," that's on you.

We're just supposed to read OP's mind about something that is not only unusual, but makes zero sense. Plus, if anyone is not being PC it's OP. Give me a break!!!

Anonymous wrote:OK 15:35, why don't you explain what OP wants the celebrant to do. Because, you see, it's a little hard to recommend someone when you don't know what the heck that someone is going to have to do.

Like the other PP said, it's not negativity, it's confusion.

You're just confused by your negativity. It's not that hard to figure out what a ceremony would look like. Someone posted a link above of a person that does "baby blessings" and such. You're so stuck on what this should be in your limited mind that you can't fathom that someone wants to celebrate in a non-religiously structured way that still acknowledges what a great, happy event the birth of a child is. And they want someone up there to state it, maybe read some secular readings, maybe some poetry. I think she's been very clear on the feeling she's going for and the intention of the day. You're just too closed minded and negative and offended to see it other than what you think it should be.

OK 15:35, why don't you explain what OP wants the celebrant to do. Because, you see, it's a little hard to recommend someone when you don't know what the heck that someone is going to have to do.

Like the other PP said, it's not negativity, it's confusion.

Anonymous wrote:OP wants it to be fun and have gravitas.

She wants meaningful, personal words spoken by a poorly paid stranger.

She values tradition but isn't doing the same thing she did with her other child.

Pointing out this inconsistencies is being "judgmental." I think most of us are just baffled.

She asked for a specific recommendation. She didn't ask for you to dissect her intentions or plans or look for inconsistencies. Hell yes you're being judgmental because she's not doing it your way. She's doing it the way she wants to do it for her and her family. She's looking for her own way to celebrate her child. All in the name of what's the "right" and "religious" way to do, you're all pummeling her with negativity. Nice going.

I don't know anyone, but just wAnted to tell you, OP, that that is a really sweet idea to do a ceremony. I like that

another co-exist fail

OP wants it to be fun and have gravitas.

She wants meaningful, personal words spoken by a poorly paid stranger.

She values tradition but isn't doing the same thing she did with her other child.

Pointing out this inconsistencies is being "judgmental." I think most of us are just baffled.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Awful people here. What do you gain by judgeing? Can non-religious people not like rituals and tradition? Is it reserved for those willing to pay lip service?

Have a naming ceremony and someone to come and give a nice speech. Your kid will grow to be fine person

rit·u·al? ?/?r?t?u?l/ Show Spelled[rich-oo-uhl]
noun
1. an established or procedure for a religious or other rite


tra·di·tion? ?/tr??d???n/ Show Spelled[truh-dish-uhn]
noun
1. the handing down of statements, beliefs, legends, customs, information, etc., from generation to generation, especially by word of mouth or by practice: a story that has come down to us by popular tradition.
2 something that is handed down: the traditions of the Eskimos.
3.How is this either a ritual or a tradition?

How does it have to be? When did tolerance become so rare that a person has to turn into an eskimo?
When did you become the ritual police?

I was responding to the pp who said that non-religious people can like ritual and tradition (which I agree with), but I don't understand what this event is, because it is neither ritual, nor tradition, nor celebration of a religious belief, nor family event. If not one of those, then what??