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Anonymous wrote:And creationists disagree.

That doesn't mean that viewpoint is worthy of respect or deference of any sort. It's not something you agree to disagree over.

Is this your approach towards all religions? You don't think they're worthy of respect or deference of any sort?

I realize you tend to think in terms of black and white. I wasn't talking about religion. I was talking about the profession (said "viewpoint") that the world was created in 7 days 7,000 years ago. That viewpoint is not worthy of any respect or deference. I know this is hard for you, but please try to keep up.

PP is making a valid point: you come off as someone with absolute, arrogant confidence in your own views, and absolute certainty that everyone else is wrong. You seem pretty gross.

(And remind me to go over to the "phrases you hate" thread and add "try to keep up" right next to "you have reading comprehension problems." It makes you look like a loser from the 70s with no powers of rhetoric. Unfortunately a common problem on DCUM.)

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Anonymous wrote:And creationists disagree.

That doesn't mean that viewpoint is worthy of respect or deference of any sort. It's not something you agree to disagree over.

So you teach your kids to disrespect any viewpoint that differs from yours? I just thought we were way past this.

No, I teach my children not to treat all opinions as equal. Opinions based on fact are generally better. One doesn't have to be disrespectful to the people who hold other views, but I am not going to tell my kid that they should give equal weight to everything theory they hear.

Then we will have to politely agree to disagree. That's what I about America.

No, see, we're over in Afghanistan fighting a war started by people like you. So, there's really nothing polite about my disagreement. I think you are dangerous for America.

NP here. No, you're the close-minded one. According to your line of thinking *any opinion* that differs from yours is undeserving of respect.

Where does it end? With how I vote, or with the color of my garage? The Santa Claus and Holocaust points are stupid straw men. No adult believes in Santa Claus. And Holocaust deniers have no "proof."

Yuck. I too thought we were past this.

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My family marched against the Iraq War ... and we teach our kids evolution ... and we teach our kids to respect honest differences in belief

I'm rather disturbed that you don't see the difference between people disagreeing who to vote for, and believing in "creationism" over evolution.

There is no "right" answer of who would be the best president, or mayor, etc. You can make some objective arguments, but it eventually comes down to opinion.

Sorry, but there is a right and wrong answer as to whether evolution occurred. A person can certainly think that it did not occur. An overwhelming amount of evidence would say that person is wrong. It's not an opinion. And please, before you use the word "theory", look up what a scientific theory actually means.

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Anonymous wrote:And creationists disagree.

That doesn't mean that viewpoint is worthy of respect or deference of any sort. It's not something you agree to disagree over.

So you teach your kids to disrespect any viewpoint that differs from yours? I just thought we were way past this.

No, I teach my children not to treat all opinions as equal. Opinions based on fact are generally better. One doesn't have to be disrespectful to the people who hold other views, but I am not going to tell my kid that they should give equal weight to everything theory they hear.

Then we will have to politely agree to disagree. That's what I about America.

No, see, we're over in Afghanistan fighting a war started by people like you. So, there's really nothing polite about my disagreement. I think you are dangerous for America.

NP here. No, you're the close-minded one. According to your line of thinking *any opinion* that differs from yours is undeserving of respect.

Where does it end? With how I vote, or with the color of my garage? The Santa Claus and Holocaust points are stupid straw men. No adult believes in Santa Claus. And Holocaust deniers have no "proof."

Yuck. I too thought we were past this.

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My family marched against the Iraq War ... and we teach our kids evolution ... and we teach our kids to respect honest differences in belief

This. It's one thing to agree to disagree on whether tax cuts will be good for the economy. You can even argue both sides with evidence. It's another to insist a mouse is the size of an airplane when I can clearly see it's the size of an apricot.

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Bad analogy. I can prove creationism is false. I cannot prove being gay is natural.

They have their own "proofs" and a museum in Kentucky or some similar place to prove it. I'm willing to bet you have no idea what their "proofs" are (and neither do I).

From what I hear, these creationism "proofs" are persuasive enough for a fair number of people. Or they shed some doubt (maybe not a lot of doubt) on evolution. They may be good proofs, they may be bad proofs ... the point is you don't know (and neither do I) without bothering to find out. And bothering to find out is exactly what you can't be bothered to do. Bottom line: dismissing their case without knowing what it is makes you a bigot.

I'm a science teacher and believe me, I've spent more time than the topic deserves looking at "their case" and it's easily dismissable. This does not make me a "bigot." I believe in evidence.

You don't have to simple accept every whackadoodle idea that folks come up with for the sake of being inclusive and open minded. You just don't.

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Bad analogy. I can prove creationism is false. I cannot prove being gay is natural.

They have their own "proofs" and a museum in Kentucky or some similar place to prove it. I'm willing to bet you have no idea what their "proofs" are (and neither do I).

From what I hear, these creationism "proofs" are persuasive enough for a fair number of people. Or they shed some doubt (maybe not a lot of doubt) on evolution. They may be good proofs, they may be bad proofs ... the point is you don't know (and neither do I) without bothering to find out. And bothering to find out is exactly what you can't be bothered to do. Bottom line: dismissing their case without knowing what it is makes you a bigot.

Wow we play fast and loose with definitions here.

I'm a "bigot" because I call out creationism as "bunk?"

You just lost the argument with your ad hominem.

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Bad analogy. I can prove creationism is false. I cannot prove being gay is natural.

They have their own "proofs" and a museum in Kentucky or some similar place to prove it. I'm willing to bet you have no idea what their "proofs" are (and neither do I).

From what I hear, these creationism "proofs" are persuasive enough for a fair number of people. Or they shed some doubt (maybe not a lot of doubt) on evolution. They may be good proofs, they may be bad proofs ... the point is you don't know (and neither do I) without bothering to find out. And bothering to find out is exactly what you can't be bothered to do. Bottom line: dismissing their case without knowing what it is makes you a bigot.

I'm a science teacher and believe me, I've spent more time than the topic deserves looking at "their case" and it's easily dismissable. This does not make me a "bigot." I believe in evidence.

You don't have to simple accept every whackadoodle idea that folks come up with for the sake of being inclusive and open minded. You just don't.

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Anonymous wrote:And creationists disagree.

That doesn't mean that viewpoint is worthy of respect or deference of any sort. It's not something you agree to disagree over.

So you teach your kids to disrespect any viewpoint that differs from yours? I just thought we were way past this.

No, I teach my children not to treat all opinions as equal. Opinions based on fact are generally better. One doesn't have to be disrespectful to the people who hold other views, but I am not going to tell my kid that they should give equal weight to everything theory they hear.

Then we will have to politely agree to disagree. That's what I about America.

No, see, we're over in Afghanistan fighting a war started by people like you. So, there's really nothing polite about my disagreement. I think you are dangerous for America.

NP here. No, you're the close-minded one. According to your line of thinking *any opinion* that differs from yours is undeserving of respect.

Where does it end? With how I vote, or with the color of my garage? The Santa Claus and Holocaust points are stupid straw men. No adult believes in Santa Claus. And Holocaust deniers have no "proof."

Yuck. I too thought we were past this.

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My family marched against the Iraq War ... and we teach our kids evolution ... and we teach our kids to respect honest differences in belief

I would not in explaining credit creationism with any scientific validity.

I might say people believe different things. But I would also say that science shows that creationists have no scientific basis for their belief and are basically ignorant religious tools who give voice to the Marxist home run that "religion is the opiate of the masses."

I'd tell the kids everyone is entitled to their own views & beliefs. But some of those beliefs are ridiculous and are fantasies.

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, wait until they walk away. That's the polite thing to do. Then explain what you think but also your fair interpretation of what the woman thinks. Tell your kids that there are different opinions and beliefs about all sorts of things and encourage them to research something they want to know about and make a decision based on that.

I don't know. That comes close to lending creationism validity, and creationist theory isn't valid.

Obviously, not everyone agrees with you on that, even if I do . That's why I suggest explaining both theories to your child and when they are old enough, they can make their own decisions (which is what they are going to do anyway).

UGH, it's attitudes like this that make us a country of scientific illiterates. They are not both "theories." A theory is based on evidence. Creationism is based on exactly zero scientific evidence. Sure, people believe it. That doesn't give it validity.

If my child had asked me that, I would have just simply said, "Some folks don't have a good understanding of geology." I wouldn't have made a big deal out of it, or have tried to be rude or snarky, but if the lady overhears me, I'm not going to lose sleep about it. She certainly had no problem expousing her beliefs in front of my kid, so why should I walk on eggshells around her?

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Anonymous wrote:And creationists disagree.

That doesn't mean that viewpoint is worthy of respect or deference of any sort. It's not something you agree to disagree over.

Is this your approach towards all religions? You don't think they're worthy of respect or deference of any sort?

I realize you tend to think in terms of black and white. I wasn't talking about religion. I was talking about the profession (said "viewpoint") that the world was created in 7 days 7,000 years ago. That viewpoint is not worthy of any respect or deference. I know this is hard for you, but please try to keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:And creationists disagree.

That doesn't mean that viewpoint is worthy of respect or deference of any sort. It's not something you agree to disagree over.

So you teach your kids to disrespect any viewpoint that differs from yours? I just thought we were way past this.

No, I teach my children not to treat all opinions as equal. Opinions based on fact are generally better. One doesn't have to be disrespectful to the people who hold other views, but I am not going to tell my kid that they should give equal weight to everything theory they hear

You said the "viewpoints are not worthy of respect".

No, I should have clarified. I am not the pp who wrote that original statement. But, as I said, I do agree that one should not give deference or respect to all OPINIONS. I do think one should be respectful of PEOPLE. In other words, I would not have confronted the other mother in this situation, or be nasty, as some of the posters seemed to endorse. (Love the sinner, hate the sin?) It's not my job to confront her about her beliefs, but I would tell my kids she is wrong.

Until a few years ago Mormon theology specified that those with dark skin were inferior.

Would you tell your kids to respect that religious belief? I wouldn't.

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Bad analogy. I can prove creationism is false. I cannot prove being gay is natural.

They have their own "proofs" and a museum in Kentucky or some similar place to prove it. I'm willing to bet you have no idea what their "proofs" are (and neither do I).

From what I hear, these creationism "proofs" are persuasive enough for a fair number of people. Or they shed some doubt (maybe not a lot of doubt) on evolution. They may be good proofs, they may be bad proofs ... the point is you don't know (and neither do I) without bothering to find out. And bothering to find out is exactly what you can't be bothered to do. Bottom line: dismissing their case without knowing what it is makes you a bigot.

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Anonymous wrote:And creationists disagree.

That doesn't mean that viewpoint is worthy of respect or deference of any sort. It's not something you agree to disagree over.

So you teach your kids to disrespect any viewpoint that differs from yours? I just thought we were way past this.

No, I teach my children not to treat all opinions as equal. Opinions based on fact are generally better. One doesn't have to be disrespectful to the people who hold other views, but I am not going to tell my kid that they should give equal weight to everything theory they hear.

Then we will have to politely agree to disagree. That's what I about America.

No, see, we're over in Afghanistan fighting a war started by people like you. So, there's really nothing polite about my disagreement. I think you are dangerous for America.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep. You should like a wonderful person who will raise wonderful close-minded children. Let me guess-- Democrstic voter?

Honey. It's the creationists who are close-minded. Telling my children they are fools and here is why doesn't make me close-minded.

I'm a Democrat. I'm also a Christian. I'm also a rational thinker. Also, I ride horses. So, what?

I hope you don't teach your kids that there's a God. Because there's no scientific proof to back that up.

Right. They can figure that one out for themselves because I cannot disprove it. I can, however, disprove creationism. And I don't take the Bible literally.