Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:.I'm so sorry that you're jealous of our cushy, high paying jobs in the field of education.
FWIW, my friend who's been a Fed for fewer years than I've been teaching is making almost twice my salary.
So I have no idea what you're complaining about, as I'm certain your pay isn't exactly at the low end either
I'm neither jealous of your job in the field of education nor complaining about my equally high paying job in the field of social work. But I do believe that a 7% raise IS unequivocally CUSHY in the current economic climate (e.g. the County and State are crying "broke"). So enjoy your raise but please stop bitching about it -- particularly to your fellow public servants who are "raise-less" (and hoping that our particular jobs -- of helping children in crisis -- aren't eliminated/diminished when the budget ax comes around).
I was being sarcastic.
And keep in mind, Social Worker, that we, too, as educators, deal with damaged children on a daily basis - DAILY. Sadly, I've called CPS one too many times only to see NOTHING good result from my actions. In fact, there were several families where abuse was suspected and there were calls at every level - elementary, middle and high. And guess what? Nothing happened!
So I'll say this much - We teach, we parent, we protect. We deserve our raises.
Actually, you're already pretty well compensated given that you only work 10 months out of the year with long breaks at Christmas and in the spring. Paid professional days for development, every holiday off, never coming into work on the weekends, never worrying about childcare on snow days, holidays or school breaks. I'm a PICU nurse and my work is every bit as worthy as what you do but I haven't seen a raise for 3 years. This year we are getting a raise, it is 1.5% and I am grateful as I understand the shrinking reimbursements that are impacting my hospital. If I want professional development - I pay out of pocket and take a day of PTO to attend.
First I will say that nurses have one of the hardest jobs on the planet. I think nurses should be paid millions. I saw how well they took care of my grandparents when they were in a nursing home and I could never, ever repay them for what they did for them. I am very grateful for the work they do.
however, to say teachers don't work over the weekends is a joke. I grade papers EVERY SINGLE Sunday for hours on end. Every friend I know has that same week off between xmas and new Years that I have (whether they work in the private or government sector and they are using some of their 30 vacation days to do it), we lost paid professional development days three years ago (unless you have funding from an outside source), I have to worry about childcare because I teach HS and y children go to ES which starts two hours after I have to be at work (and same goes for half-days, professional days, etc.) Like you, we haven't gotten a raise in three years and, like you, are gettting a small one this year.
You are just another person who has never been in a classroom and has no idea what our jobs are like. Just like I wouldn't assume to know the ins and outs of your job because I have been a patient of nurses, don't assume you know what it is like to teach because you were a student once. That is just plain ignorant.
I have never had the whole week between Christmas and New Years off. PTO during that time is very limited. We work every other Christmas and that include the eve and the day after. I don't understand the whole grading papers on Sunday. School ends in the early afternoon. What do people do for the rest of the day? I'm not being snarky, I am asking. I see the high school kids on my street coming home before 3pm. I'm not saying your job isn't hard, I know it has its moments... but all jobs do and I have been on the other side of the classroom. I not only work in the hospital but I've taught nursing for 12 years as well. I will continue teaching as my retirement job
Anonymous wrote:Lots of us work on the weekends and in the evening, folks.
I am a 20 year professional in a different field and make $112K a year. So that's more than a 20 year teacher, but when you add in the benefits that teachers get, it's pretty on-par. I get 5 weeks off a year, which is a lot of the private sector but less than teachers by a couple of weeks.
I work plenty of weekends and evenings.
I think teachers should be well-paid! I just don't buy the whole "our jobs are so much harder than everyone else's" line.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:.I'm so sorry that you're jealous of our cushy, high paying jobs in the field of education.
FWIW, my friend who's been a Fed for fewer years than I've been teaching is making almost twice my salary.
So I have no idea what you're complaining about, as I'm certain your pay isn't exactly at the low end either
I'm neither jealous of your job in the field of education nor complaining about my equally high paying job in the field of social work. But I do believe that a 7% raise IS unequivocally CUSHY in the current economic climate (e.g. the County and State are crying "broke"). So enjoy your raise but please stop bitching about it -- particularly to your fellow public servants who are "raise-less" (and hoping that our particular jobs -- of helping children in crisis -- aren't eliminated/diminished when the budget ax comes around).
I was being sarcastic.
And keep in mind, Social Worker, that we, too, as educators, deal with damaged children on a daily basis - DAILY. Sadly, I've called CPS one too many times only to see NOTHING good result from my actions. In fact, there were several families where abuse was suspected and there were calls at every level - elementary, middle and high. And guess what? Nothing happened!
So I'll say this much - We teach, we parent, we protect. We deserve our raises.
Actually, you're already pretty well compensated given that you only work 10 months out of the year with long breaks at Christmas and in the spring. Paid professional days for development, every holiday off, never coming into work on the weekends, never worrying about childcare on snow days, holidays or school breaks. I'm a PICU nurse and my work is every bit as worthy as what you do but I haven't seen a raise for 3 years. This year we are getting a raise, it is 1.5% and I am grateful as I understand the shrinking reimbursements that are impacting my hospital. If I want professional development - I pay out of pocket and take a day of PTO to attend.
First I will say that nurses have one of the hardest jobs on the planet. I think nurses should be paid millions. I saw how well they took care of my grandparents when they were in a nursing home and I could never, ever repay them for what they did for them. I am very grateful for the work they do.
however, to say teachers don't work over the weekends is a joke. I grade papers EVERY SINGLE Sunday for hours on end. Every friend I know has that same week off between xmas and new Years that I have (whether they work in the private or government sector and they are using some of their 30 vacation days to do it), we lost paid professional development days three years ago (unless you have funding from an outside source), I have to worry about childcare because I teach HS and y children go to ES which starts two hours after I have to be at work (and same goes for half-days, professional days, etc.) Like you, we haven't gotten a raise in three years and, like you, are gettting a small one this year.
You are just another person who has never been in a classroom and has no idea what our jobs are like. Just like I wouldn't assume to know the ins and outs of your job because I have been a patient of nurses, don't assume you know what it is like to teach because you were a student once. That is just plain ignorant.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:.I'm so sorry that you're jealous of our cushy, high paying jobs in the field of education.
FWIW, my friend who's been a Fed for fewer years than I've been teaching is making almost twice my salary.
So I have no idea what you're complaining about, as I'm certain your pay isn't exactly at the low end either
I'm neither jealous of your job in the field of education nor complaining about my equally high paying job in the field of social work. But I do believe that a 7% raise IS unequivocally CUSHY in the current economic climate (e.g. the County and State are crying "broke"). So enjoy your raise but please stop bitching about it -- particularly to your fellow public servants who are "raise-less" (and hoping that our particular jobs -- of helping children in crisis -- aren't eliminated/diminished when the budget ax comes around).
I was being sarcastic.
And keep in mind, Social Worker, that we, too, as educators, deal with damaged children on a daily basis - DAILY. Sadly, I've called CPS one too many times only to see NOTHING good result from my actions. In fact, there were several families where abuse was suspected and there were calls at every level - elementary, middle and high. And guess what? Nothing happened!
So I'll say this much - We teach, we parent, we protect. We deserve our raises.
Actually, you're already pretty well compensated given that you only work 10 months out of the year with long breaks at Christmas and in the spring. Paid professional days for development, every holiday off, never coming into work on the weekends, never worrying about childcare on snow days, holidays or school breaks. I'm a PICU nurse and my work is every bit as worthy as what you do but I haven't seen a raise for 3 years. This year we are getting a raise, it is 1.5% and I am grateful as I understand the shrinking reimbursements that are impacting my hospital. If I want professional development - I pay out of pocket and take a day of PTO to attend.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
So true! I mean, think about what elementary school teachers working with kids from the mean streets of Potomac have to endure on a daily basis. The Tiger Moms! The BigLaw Dads! The Mercedes SUVs in the carpool line!
I do wonder how many soldiers deployed in Afghanistan average more than $70K per year. Probably not many.
Actually, dealing with these assholes is a major downer. A Tiger Mom tore me a new asshole last year because she didn't like how I disciplined her kid on my sports team. I was talked to like I was hired help. It was great.
In fact, she is probably on this thread posting how teachers don't deserve raises!
Anonymous wrote:For the teachers on this thread: is your basic theory that, because you work hard and have a difficult and important job, you should continue to be paid more and more and more? That is simply not realistic. It seems like you are saying that you "deserve" more therefore you should get more. Well, you may deserve more, but there may just not be enough money to pay you more. Most of us bump up against realities like this in our lives all the time. It is part of being an adult. In a time of over 9% unemployment, it seems like a very unrealistic position to take. If you truly don't think teaching rewards you enough financially, then move on and go see how easy it is to retrain yourself and try to get a higher paying job. But to simply dig your heels in and pontificate that you "deserve" more money is childish and unrealistic.
As educators, you, more than most, probably are following the debt crisis in this country, the financial crisis and austerity in Greece and Europe, the downgrading of US debt and the notion that our country, states and counties are BORROWING the money to pay you. Honestly, you must know that this type of spending is unrealistic and will not keep up.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:.I'm so sorry that you're jealous of our cushy, high paying jobs in the field of education.
FWIW, my friend who's been a Fed for fewer years than I've been teaching is making almost twice my salary.
So I have no idea what you're complaining about, as I'm certain your pay isn't exactly at the low end either
I'm neither jealous of your job in the field of education nor complaining about my equally high paying job in the field of social work. But I do believe that a 7% raise IS unequivocally CUSHY in the current economic climate (e.g. the County and State are crying "broke"). So enjoy your raise but please stop bitching about it -- particularly to your fellow public servants who are "raise-less" (and hoping that our particular jobs -- of helping children in crisis -- aren't eliminated/diminished when the budget ax comes around).
I was being sarcastic.
And keep in mind, Social Worker, that we, too, as educators, deal with damaged children on a daily basis - DAILY. Sadly, I've called CPS one too many times only to see NOTHING good result from my actions. In fact, there were several families where abuse was suspected and there were calls at every level - elementary, middle and high. And guess what? Nothing happened!
So I'll say this much - We teach, we parent, we protect. We deserve our raises.
Anonymous wrote:.I was being sarcastic.
And keep in mind, Social Worker, that we, too, as educators, deal with damaged children on a daily basis - DAILY. Sadly, I've called CPS one too many times only to see NOTHING good result from my actions. In fact, there were several families where abuse was suspected and there were calls at every level - elementary, middle and high. And guess what? Nothing happened!
So I'll say this much - We teach, we parent, we protect. We deserve our raises
Please shut-up! No one has said that teachers don't deserve a raise; so why are you being so defensive about comments that question the budgetary/fiscal wisdom of a raise (whether it's .5%, 7%, or anything else)? As a beneficiary of a raise, your particular comments come across as ungrateful/unappreciative/unsympathetic that teachers are at least getting something (I think one poster said it would be an additional $65 -- which still trumps the $0 increase that other equally deserving County employees will see in their pay). But maybe there's no raise that would sufficiently compensate you for having to deal with damaged children on a daily basis. Listening to you, it seems like the soldiers in Afghanistan have a cake-walk compared to what MCPS teachers have to endure.
.I was being sarcastic.
And keep in mind, Social Worker, that we, too, as educators, deal with damaged children on a daily basis - DAILY. Sadly, I've called CPS one too many times only to see NOTHING good result from my actions. In fact, there were several families where abuse was suspected and there were calls at every level - elementary, middle and high. And guess what? Nothing happened!
So I'll say this much - We teach, we parent, we protect. We deserve our raises
Anonymous wrote:.I'm so sorry that you're jealous of our cushy, high paying jobs in the field of education.
FWIW, my friend who's been a Fed for fewer years than I've been teaching is making almost twice my salary.
So I have no idea what you're complaining about, as I'm certain your pay isn't exactly at the low end either
I'm neither jealous of your job in the field of education nor complaining about my equally high paying job in the field of social work. But I do believe that a 7% raise IS unequivocally CUSHY in the current economic climate (e.g. the County and State are crying "broke"). So enjoy your raise but please stop bitching about it -- particularly to your fellow public servants who are "raise-less" (and hoping that our particular jobs -- of helping children in crisis -- aren't eliminated/diminished when the budget ax comes around).