Anonymous
Post 04/23/2012 11:46     Subject: Re:A sad story about terrible parenting.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a super liberal. This seems like a sad tragedy, and there may be understandable (though not excusable) reasons the mom wasn't home. Perhaps not, too.

One way or another though this mother had more children than she could care for well. And it is frustrating that people don't stop having children when they are struggling to care for the ones they have. Being poor doesn't mean everything in life is out of your hands. I wouldn't even argue a poor person shouldn't have children, but I do think the number of kids she had and the conditions they were all living in suggests a reluctance to take appropriate responsibility for herself/life.

When people insist that a person should be exempt from criticism for certain life choices they've made because they are poor and black, that in and of itself is racist and patronizing. Young, poor, black women can make good choices for themselves, but this person didn't. (and lots of young, poor, white women make bad choices too...and rich white women...just in this case this person was black, and I think the unwillingness to hold her at all responsible for her life is it's own form of prejudice).


THANK YOU! Yes -- some call it the soft prejudice of low expectations. That said, it is the position that Bill Cosby and Juan Williams, among others, have been BASHED for espousing. I agree -- If we expect more of people, and implement programs and opportunities to meet those (reasonable) expectations, we will all be better off.


This is to true. And, it really has nothing to do with race. If you make people feel as if they are 'victims' and have no control over their choices, you're not doing them any favors. This mom had a choice as to whether or not she wanted 2 kids or 5 kids. I don't understand why some of the PPs are making excuses for her. No access to birth control? Really? Condoms are WAY cheaper than having kids. Or, just not having sex?
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2012 11:42     Subject: Re:A sad story about terrible parenting.
Anonymous wrote:

I'm praying for those poor children who died needlessly in a fire. She is on her own.


Yes, this exactly. Those poor kids are the victims here, and deserving of our thoughts and prayers. Not quite sure about the mom though.
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2012 11:36     Subject: A sad story about terrible parenting.
to the poster who says that 5 children by age 26 is normal outside eastern urban areas of the states, is that really true????

im somewhat willing to listen seeing as when i travel in the midwest people think im my child's grandmother (much better alternative than my other conclusion,which is i just look old).
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2012 11:33     Subject: A sad story about terrible parenting.
^^what's disgusting is having a sex with many different men without any protection.
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2012 11:32     Subject: Re:A sad story about terrible parenting.
Anonymous wrote:Not disputing any facts of the case - left alone, how often they were left alone, or whether that is bad parenting - obviously.

The speculation about # of fathers is disgusting.


Oh, but why?

This is the point about doing better and wanting better even though you may be poor or undeducated or whatever. What about being selective about who fathers your children? Is that such a high expectation we can't expect it from a poor woman? Why IS it ok to have 4 or 5 different baby daddies before the age of 26?
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2012 11:26     Subject: Re:A sad story about terrible parenting.
Not disputing any facts of the case - left alone, how often they were left alone, or whether that is bad parenting - obviously.

The speculation about # of fathers is disgusting.
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2012 11:26     Subject: Re:A sad story about terrible parenting.
Anonymous wrote:[



I know enough about her life choices. 26 yr old Shaqueta had 4 kids by 4 different men and the oldest was 7? You liberals can keep defending this behavior for as long as you like but we all know that this is just inexcusable.


Actually, it seems like it was five kids and the oldest was probably 11 or so (5th grade). I'm on your side, btw, I just wanted everyone to be judging on the same of facts.


Exactly. So she had her first kid at 16-17. And she kept on having them. Sterilization needed.
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2012 11:24     Subject: Re:A sad story about terrible parenting.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a super liberal. This seems like a sad tragedy, and there may be understandable (though not excusable) reasons the mom wasn't home. Perhaps not, too.

One way or another though this mother had more children than she could care for well. And it is frustrating that people don't stop having children when they are struggling to care for the ones they have. Being poor doesn't mean everything in life is out of your hands. I wouldn't even argue a poor person shouldn't have children, but I do think the number of kids she had and the conditions they were all living in suggests a reluctance to take appropriate responsibility for herself/life.

When people insist that a person should be exempt from criticism for certain life choices they've made because they are poor and black, that in and of itself is racist and patronizing. Young, poor, black women can make good choices for themselves, but this person didn't. (and lots of young, poor, white women make bad choices too...and rich white women...just in this case this person was black, and I think the unwillingness to hold her at all responsible for her life is it's own form of prejudice).


Right...because she had access to free, perfect means of birth control. And abortion on demand.


She did, actually. It is called abstinence. Or, as my mother might call it, keeping your damned legs closed. Free, respectable, and 100% effective (i.e. perfect).


You are a simple-minded person. Seriously. It must be nice to be in your head. So la-la-la and hum-de-dum.


Uh, NO (not this poster though).

If you didn't want to get pregnant, wouldn't you use a condom or other form of birth control or "just say NO?" Or do you, in your infinite wisdom, know of some other sort of better option that we are all unaware of (like screw with no protection and pray method, or just get pregnant anyway method??).
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2012 11:23     Subject: Re:A sad story about terrible parenting.
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I know enough about her life choices. 26 yr old Shaqueta had 4 kids by 4 different men and the oldest was 7? You liberals can keep defending this behavior for as long as you like but we all know that this is just inexcusable.


Actually, it seems like it was five kids and the oldest was probably 11 or so (5th grade). I'm on your side, btw, I just wanted everyone to be judging on the same of facts.
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2012 11:23     Subject: Re:A sad story about terrible parenting.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a super liberal. This seems like a sad tragedy, and there may be understandable (though not excusable) reasons the mom wasn't home. Perhaps not, too.

One way or another though this mother had more children than she could care for well. And it is frustrating that people don't stop having children when they are struggling to care for the ones they have. Being poor doesn't mean everything in life is out of your hands. I wouldn't even argue a poor person shouldn't have children, but I do think the number of kids she had and the conditions they were all living in suggests a reluctance to take appropriate responsibility for herself/life.

When people insist that a person should be exempt from criticism for certain life choices they've made because they are poor and black, that in and of itself is racist and patronizing. Young, poor, black women can make good choices for themselves, but this person didn't. (and lots of young, poor, white women make bad choices too...and rich white women...just in this case this person was black, and I think the unwillingness to hold her at all responsible for her life is it's own form of prejudice).


Right...because she had access to free, perfect means of birth control. And abortion on demand.


She did, actually. It is called abstinence. Or, as my mother might call it, keeping your damned legs closed. Free, respectable, and 100% effective (i.e. perfect).


You are a simple-minded person. Seriously. It must be nice to be in your head. So la-la-la and hum-de-dum.



Please explain, why is PP single minded?

She says keep your legs closed and you won't have to worry about getting pregnant..........OR you could use a condom. How about protecting your body from HIV, warts, herpes and the like? So really I think the simple minded one is you.
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2012 11:20     Subject: Re:A sad story about terrible parenting.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a super liberal. This seems like a sad tragedy, and there may be understandable (though not excusable) reasons the mom wasn't home. Perhaps not, too.

One way or another though this mother had more children than she could care for well. And it is frustrating that people don't stop having children when they are struggling to care for the ones they have. Being poor doesn't mean everything in life is out of your hands. I wouldn't even argue a poor person shouldn't have children, but I do think the number of kids she had and the conditions they were all living in suggests a reluctance to take appropriate responsibility for herself/life.

When people insist that a person should be exempt from criticism for certain life choices they've made because they are poor and black, that in and of itself is racist and patronizing. Young, poor, black women can make good choices for themselves, but this person didn't. (and lots of young, poor, white women make bad choices too...and rich white women...just in this case this person was black, and I think the unwillingness to hold her at all responsible for her life is it's own form of prejudice).


We don't KNOW anything about her life choices. This is all speculation. People are concluding she's a horrible mom and a horrible person because of different last names of her kids. That's a lot of assuming and judging.

This woman just lost her entire family, and has to live with that guilt. Instead of speculating about what a whore she is why don't you all stick to your Christian values and pray for her.



I know enough about her life choices. 26 yr old Shaqueta had 4 kids by 4 different men and the oldest was 7? You liberals can keep defending this behavior for as long as you like but we all know that this is just inexcusable.
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2012 11:20     Subject: Re:A sad story about terrible parenting.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a super liberal. This seems like a sad tragedy, and there may be understandable (though not excusable) reasons the mom wasn't home. Perhaps not, too.

One way or another though this mother had more children than she could care for well. And it is frustrating that people don't stop having children when they are struggling to care for the ones they have. Being poor doesn't mean everything in life is out of your hands. I wouldn't even argue a poor person shouldn't have children, but I do think the number of kids she had and the conditions they were all living in suggests a reluctance to take appropriate responsibility for herself/life.

When people insist that a person should be exempt from criticism for certain life choices they've made because they are poor and black, that in and of itself is racist and patronizing. Young, poor, black women can make good choices for themselves, but this person didn't. (and lots of young, poor, white women make bad choices too...and rich white women...just in this case this person was black, and I think the unwillingness to hold her at all responsible for her life is it's own form of prejudice).


We don't KNOW anything about her life choices. This is all speculation. People are concluding she's a horrible mom and a horrible person because of different last names of her kids. That's a lot of assuming and judging.

This woman just lost her entire family, and has to live with that guilt. Instead of speculating about what a whore she is why don't you all stick to your Christian values and pray for her.



Actually, seems like you are wrong. Neighbors have called the police on her before. Her child/children have been removed from the home before. Her 2 year old was found wandering the streets after midnight.............Sorry, but this doesn't paint such a rosy picture of her parenting skills.

Anonymous
Post 04/23/2012 11:19     Subject: Re:A sad story about terrible parenting.
Anonymous wrote:Oh give me a break! I'm a liberal, single mom on one. I have a great job and completely believe in a women's right to choose, but this is beyond ridiculousness. She obviously couldn't afford the ones she had and how many children did she need to bring into this world before she realized that? She could have gotten free condoms and birth control pills, but more importantly where did she find the time to screw around to make 6. I can barely find time to pee and I only have one. Those poor, poor innocent children paid for her stupidity. Her ass should be in jail. Maybe it will keep her from ever having any more.


For real!
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2012 11:15     Subject: Re:A sad story about terrible parenting.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a super liberal. This seems like a sad tragedy, and there may be understandable (though not excusable) reasons the mom wasn't home. Perhaps not, too.

One way or another though this mother had more children than she could care for well. And it is frustrating that people don't stop having children when they are struggling to care for the ones they have. Being poor doesn't mean everything in life is out of your hands. I wouldn't even argue a poor person shouldn't have children, but I do think the number of kids she had and the conditions they were all living in suggests a reluctance to take appropriate responsibility for herself/life.

When people insist that a person should be exempt from criticism for certain life choices they've made because they are poor and black, that in and of itself is racist and patronizing. Young, poor, black women can make good choices for themselves, but this person didn't. (and lots of young, poor, white women make bad choices too...and rich white women...just in this case this person was black, and I think the unwillingness to hold her at all responsible for her life is it's own form of prejudice).


Right...because she had access to free, perfect means of birth control. And abortion on demand.


She did, actually. It is called abstinence. Or, as my mother might call it, keeping your damned legs closed. Free, respectable, and 100% effective (i.e. perfect).


You are a simple-minded person. Seriously. It must be nice to be in your head. So la-la-la and hum-de-dum.
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2012 11:14     Subject: Re:A sad story about terrible parenting.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a super liberal. This seems like a sad tragedy, and there may be understandable (though not excusable) reasons the mom wasn't home. Perhaps not, too.

One way or another though this mother had more children than she could care for well. And it is frustrating that people don't stop having children when they are struggling to care for the ones they have. Being poor doesn't mean everything in life is out of your hands. I wouldn't even argue a poor person shouldn't have children, but I do think the number of kids she had and the conditions they were all living in suggests a reluctance to take appropriate responsibility for herself/life.

When people insist that a person should be exempt from criticism for certain life choices they've made because they are poor and black, that in and of itself is racist and patronizing. Young, poor, black women can make good choices for themselves, but this person didn't. (and lots of young, poor, white women make bad choices too...and rich white women...just in this case this person was black, and I think the unwillingness to hold her at all responsible for her life is it's own form of prejudice).


We don't KNOW anything about her life choices. This is all speculation. People are concluding she's a horrible mom and a horrible person because of different last names of her kids. That's a lot of assuming and judging.

This woman just lost her entire family, and has to live with that guilt. Instead of speculating about what a whore she is why don't you all stick to your Christian values and pray for her.



I'm praying for those poor children who died needlessly in a fire. She is on her own.