Anonymous
Post 01/31/2012 21:36     Subject: The 2012 AAP "JUST THE SCORES" Thread
Can someone explain how they know or from what source they have heard that there are twice as many kids in this year's pool than last? Also, if this is a far fetched rumor, please post.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2012 18:31     Subject: Re:The 2012 AAP "JUST THE SCORES" Thread


I'm sorry to report that you've moved right into the middle of it. McLean is primary "my kid is better/smarter/faster" than yours territory. And if your dd would potentially attend Haycock, the AAP parents there are a bit overwhelming. Hang in there, though. There are some normal, humble ones who want their kids to have a normal well rounded childhood too if you can overlook all the tiger moms.


Oops, I meant to quote this a second ago. Thanks for your encouraging words.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2012 16:28     Subject: Re:The 2012 AAP "JUST THE SCORES" Thread
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
The AAP selection process is still a mystery to me. I've got a daughter with a composite Cogat of 152 all 99th percentile in the subject areas. I've been told she's a shoo in by her teacher even though she has only slightly above average grades. I'm not one for pushing so much on a child that they can't have fun and just be a kid. Maybe the grades are because I haven't overloaded her like most Fairfax County parents. Does anyone have a child with similar scores? Or an opinion on whether or not these scores are as rare as her teachers claim.


Could you explain what you mean by this? Most parents "overload" their kids and that's why they have good grades? Kids with good grades are pushed so much that they can't have fun & be kids? I'm not sure I understand the point you're making.

In any case, your daughter's scores are VERY high (even within the pool there are not that many 152 composite CogATs), BUT a low GBRS and poor/negative assessment by the teacher can kill even those scores. It sounds unlikely to happen in your case because it sounds like the teacher thinks your child should be in the Center. But if she weren't found eligible, I would definitely get a WISC and appeal - no question about it.


Good point, I shouldn't have said "most FFX County parents". "Some," is more appropriate. I have four children, all are solid A/B students in this school district and other places we've lived. Since moving here two years I have never experienced parents who compare there kids so much. Granted, it's not all of them but as an example the day before we received the Cogat scores for our 2nd grade daughter we had two moms come over and one call to share how their child performed and inquire about ours. I even had one mom say, "It's okay if she didn't do well," when I said we hadn't gotten the scores yet. We live in a so-called "exclusive community," in Mclean half the kids are in private, half or slightly more in public, so perhaps that is part the issue. Who knows. Maybe it's just me, but it seems unusual.


I'm sorry to report that you've moved right into the middle of it. McLean is primary "my kid is better/smarter/faster" than yours territory. And if your dd would potentially attend Haycock, the AAP parents there are a bit overwhelming. Hang in there, though. There are some normal, humble ones who want their kids to have a normal well rounded childhood too if you can overlook all the tiger moms.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2012 16:18     Subject: Re:The 2012 AAP "JUST THE SCORES" Thread
Anonymous wrote:
The AAP selection process is still a mystery to me. I've got a daughter with a composite Cogat of 152 all 99th percentile in the subject areas. I've been told she's a shoo in by her teacher even though she has only slightly above average grades. I'm not one for pushing so much on a child that they can't have fun and just be a kid. Maybe the grades are because I haven't overloaded her like most Fairfax County parents. Does anyone have a child with similar scores? Or an opinion on whether or not these scores are as rare as her teachers claim.


Could you explain what you mean by this? Most parents "overload" their kids and that's why they have good grades? Kids with good grades are pushed so much that they can't have fun & be kids? I'm not sure I understand the point you're making.

In any case, your daughter's scores are VERY high (even within the pool there are not that many 152 composite CogATs), BUT a low GBRS and poor/negative assessment by the teacher can kill even those scores. It sounds unlikely to happen in your case because it sounds like the teacher thinks your child should be in the Center. But if she weren't found eligible, I would definitely get a WISC and appeal - no question about it.


Good point, I shouldn't have said "most FFX County parents". "Some," is more appropriate. I have four children, all are solid A/B students in this school district and other places we've lived. Since moving here two years I have never experienced parents who compare there kids so much. Granted, it's not all of them but as an example the day before we received the Cogat scores for our 2nd grade daughter we had two moms come over and one call to share how their child performed and inquire about ours. I even had one mom say, "It's okay if she didn't do well," when I said we hadn't gotten the scores yet. We live in a so-called "exclusive community," in Mclean half the kids are in private, half or slightly more in public, so perhaps that is part the issue. Who knows. Maybe it's just me, but it seems unusual.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2012 16:08     Subject: Re:The 2012 AAP "JUST THE SCORES" Thread
The AAP selection process is still a mystery to me. I've got a daughter with a composite Cogat of 152 all 99th percentile in the subject areas. I've been told she's a shoo in by her teacher even though she has only slightly above average grades. I'm not one for pushing so much on a child that they can't have fun and just be a kid. Maybe the grades are because I haven't overloaded her like most Fairfax County parents. Does anyone have a child with similar scores? Or an opinion on whether or not these scores are as rare as her teachers claim.


Could you explain what you mean by this? Most parents "overload" their kids and that's why they have good grades? Kids with good grades are pushed so much that they can't have fun & be kids? I'm not sure I understand the point you're making.

In any case, your daughter's scores are VERY high (even within the pool there are not that many 152 composite CogATs), BUT a low GBRS and poor/negative assessment by the teacher can kill even those scores. It sounds unlikely to happen in your case because it sounds like the teacher thinks your child should be in the Center. But if she weren't found eligible, I would definitely get a WISC and appeal - no question about it.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2012 16:04     Subject: The 2012 AAP "JUST THE SCORES" Thread
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The AAP selection process is still a mystery to me. I've got a daughter with a composite Cogat of 152 all 99th percentile in the subject areas. I've been told she's a shoo in by her teacher even though she has only slightly above average grades. I'm not one for pushing so much on a child that they can't have fun and just be a kid. Maybe the grades are because I haven't overloaded her like most Fairfax County parents. Does anyone have a child with similar scores? Or an opinion on whether or not these scores are as rare as her teachers claim.


how was her NNAT score? With a test score that is not consistent with other test scores/grades/classrom performance, the committee may assume that the test was prepped for. I am in no way suggesting that you prepped her, and I myself have no idea where someone would even find materials to prep for the cogat or NNAT. That is a good solid score that would be hard to argue with if she gets a good GBRS from her teachers.


She had no test prep on the Cogat. Her NNAT was 125, not particularly high as I understand, 93 percentile. I imagine her GBRS will be fair but not as high as possible because while she's very well liked by the teachers due to her pleasant disposition, she can be a bit jittery and overly talkative. She gets high marks but not the highest, solid A/B level scores. Thanks for your help.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2012 15:44     Subject: The 2012 AAP "JUST THE SCORES" Thread
Anonymous wrote:The AAP selection process is still a mystery to me. I've got a daughter with a composite Cogat of 152 all 99th percentile in the subject areas. I've been told she's a shoo in by her teacher even though she has only slightly above average grades. I'm not one for pushing so much on a child that they can't have fun and just be a kid. Maybe the grades are because I haven't overloaded her like most Fairfax County parents. Does anyone have a child with similar scores? Or an opinion on whether or not these scores are as rare as her teachers claim.


how was her NNAT score? With a test score that is not consistent with other test scores/grades/classrom performance, the committee may assume that the test was prepped for. I am in no way suggesting that you prepped her, and I myself have no idea where someone would even find materials to prep for the cogat or NNAT. That is a good solid score that would be hard to argue with if she gets a good GBRS from her teachers.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2012 15:34     Subject: The 2012 AAP "JUST THE SCORES" Thread
The AAP selection process is still a mystery to me. I've got a daughter with a composite Cogat of 152 all 99th percentile in the subject areas. I've been told she's a shoo in by her teacher even though she has only slightly above average grades. I'm not one for pushing so much on a child that they can't have fun and just be a kid. Maybe the grades are because I haven't overloaded her like most Fairfax County parents. Does anyone have a child with similar scores? Or an opinion on whether or not these scores are as rare as her teachers claim.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2012 10:58     Subject: Re:The 2012 AAP "JUST THE SCORES" Thread
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
My FCPS 2nd grader's class has already mastered multiplication and division with two digit numbers and it is mid-year. They are now moving on to multiplication with fractions and decimals.


Wow! My 3rd grader's class in FCPS hasn't even mastered this! Goes to show not all schools are created equal -- even if they are supposed to follow the same curriculum. This just adds to the argument for a need for full time AAP in my opinion...


how many moms posted in this thread have 'mastered' multiplication with fractions and decimals?



My son does! But mostly I work with him at home. He's currently in private school and eligible AAP next year.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2012 23:58     Subject: Re:The 2012 AAP "JUST THE SCORES" Thread
How will we know our kid GBRS score ? DO we need to call teacher to find the score?


OMG, have you not read anything on this board?! For starters, there's an entire thread devoted to the GBRS scores. Start there.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2012 23:29     Subject: The 2012 AAP "JUST THE SCORES" Thread
V - 115
Q - 142
NV - 134
Composite - 138 (98th percentile)

NNAT - 139 (99th percentile).

My DS is a sharp kid, but not sure if they look into the composite score (or) would they look by individual scores as well. I am hoping her verbal scores, would not pull her down. Any ideas ?
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2012 23:01     Subject: The 2012 AAP "JUST THE SCORES" Thread
Anonymous wrote:V - 141
Q - 137
NV- 141
Composite: 146

NNAT 132

Not sure how hard we should be working on a "package." Seems on one hand that if DS doesn't get in with these scores, so be it. On the other hand, are we doing him a disservice not taking more time to advocate for him? Sigh. Feedback welcome especially from families who have been through this process already. (DS is our oldest).


My ds has the same cogat composite score, although his NNAT is 145. I have no clue what to put in his screening file, so it will just have the parent questionaire and a letter from an extracurricular gifted program he participated in outlines his strengths and his need for challenge.

My dd went through this process a couple years ago and I had no idea what to do then either. However, she also had 99% scores and she was accepted.
I think solid scores likely require less additional material. If you would like to include one or two things, I think it would be fine, but I wouldn't go overboard with the supplemental material.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2012 22:32     Subject: Re:The 2012 AAP "JUST THE SCORES" Thread
With a GBRS of 12 or higher, he would have breezed in last year. Some suggest that this year it may be harder to get in.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2012 22:22     Subject: The 2012 AAP "JUST THE SCORES" Thread
22:17 here. Yes, he is "in the pool."
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2012 22:17     Subject: The 2012 AAP "JUST THE SCORES" Thread
V - 141
Q - 137
NV- 141
Composite: 146

NNAT 132

Not sure how hard we should be working on a "package." Seems on one hand that if DS doesn't get in with these scores, so be it. On the other hand, are we doing him a disservice not taking more time to advocate for him? Sigh. Feedback welcome especially from families who have been through this process already. (DS is our oldest).