Anonymous wrote:This is wrong of me I know but I couldn't help but chuckle after reading that Paula Deen-the queen of Lard, has diabetes. I mean, isn't that just a classic 'duh' case, judging from her cooking?. She says she's not going to completely cut butter out of her cooking/diet because that would just be outrageous, if she's going to eat fatty foods, it has to be the real deal BUT she will use butter in moderation, yeah ok.

DH loves her shows and I sometimes watch it with him, the copious amount of butter, sugar and grease in her cooking is scary. She eats her vegetables and fruits--fried lettuce and caramel carrots.
And now she's a spokesperson for some diabetes drug company? I don't even get that one.
Anthony Bourdain so eloquently tweeted that he is considering going into the leg breaking business so he can sell profitably crutches later on.

Which disease gives you a big belly laugh?

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Anonymous wrote:If Paula Deen had let it be known that she has diabetes 3 years ago, I'm sure that fact would have discouraged a number of people from replicating her cooking.

This is the main point for me. She is pushing a lifestyle that is bad for your health and she has been lying about it.

OK, I grant you that she is promoting a less than healthy lifestyle. But come on, that is like blaming McDonalds for being fat. People do have a choice. You can hardly blame PD for people who are unwilling to make educated choices about their diets.

EDUCATED CHOICES??? You think the average American knows anything about health/ nutrition? Oh, that's right.. we "trust the people."

So eliminate all fast food places? And shows about junk food? Should the govt step in and ban shows like this? Sounds pretty unrealistic. Yes, people are educated about what is healthy, they just choose to eat what they consider to be 'tastier' food, which is junk food or fast food, which is what PD is pushing.

Ma'am I dont' know what enclave of upper NW DC, McLean or Great Falls you live in, but "people" in general are absolutely not educated AT ALL about health and nutrition. Why don't you cross the river for once and go into SW DC and talk to people there about what they "know" about nutrition... Or did you not even realize that people live there?

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Anonymous wrote:If Paula Deen had let it be known that she has diabetes 3 years ago, I'm sure that fact would have discouraged a number of people from replicating her cooking.

This is the main point for me. She is pushing a lifestyle that is bad for your health and she has been lying about it.

OK, I grant you that she is promoting a less than healthy lifestyle. But come on, that is like blaming McDonalds for being fat. People do have a choice. You can hardly blame PD for people who are unwilling to make educated choices about their diets.

EDUCATED CHOICES??? You think the average American knows anything about health/ nutrition? Oh, that's right.. we "trust the people."

So eliminate all fast food places? And shows about junk food? Should the govt step in and ban shows like this? Sounds pretty unrealistic. Yes, people are educated about what is healthy, they just choose to eat what they consider to be 'tastier' food, which is junk food or fast food, which is what PD is pushing.

Anonymous wrote:You know what I really hate about threads like this?

People who are overweight will put off getting blood sugar levels checked because Diabetes now comes with snark and sneering and nastiness as if it's a sexually transmitted disease, or the way epileptics were made to feel in the 1930s.

And skinny people who have symptoms of Diabetes Type II (because many skinny people get this disease too) don't want to admit they have it, and don't want to get it treated, because they are made to feel ASHAMED.

This is a DISEASE. Like many diseases, it has roots in a lifestyle. So what?

So we should be supporting changes to the lifestyle so that people can be healthier, not making shows that are encouraging them to contract the same disease that we are keeping hidden. Do you not get this?

Anonymous wrote:You know what I really hate about threads like this?

People who are overweight will put off getting blood sugar levels checked because Diabetes now comes with snark and sneering and nastiness as if it's a sexually transmitted disease, or the way epileptics were made to feel in the 1930s.

And skinny people who have symptoms of Diabetes Type II (because many skinny people get this disease too) don't want to admit they have it, and don't want to get it treated, because they are made to feel ASHAMED.

This is a DISEASE. Like many diseases, it has roots in a lifestyle. So what?

No, "many" skinny people do not get Type 2.

You know what I really hate about threads like this?

People who are overweight will put off getting blood sugar levels checked because Diabetes now comes with snark and sneering and nastiness as if it's a sexually transmitted disease, or the way epileptics were made to feel in the 1930s.

And skinny people who have symptoms of Diabetes Type II (because many skinny people get this disease too) don't want to admit they have it, and don't want to get it treated, because they are made to feel ASHAMED.

This is a DISEASE. Like many diseases, it has roots in a lifestyle. So what?

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Anonymous wrote:If Paula Deen had let it be known that she has diabetes 3 years ago, I'm sure that fact would have discouraged a number of people from replicating her cooking.

This is the main point for me. She is pushing a lifestyle that is bad for your health and she has been lying about it.

OK, I grant you that she is promoting a less than healthy lifestyle. But come on, that is like blaming McDonalds for being fat. People do have a choice. You can hardly blame PD for people who are unwilling to make educated choices about their diets.

EDUCATED CHOICES??? You think the average American knows anything about health/ nutrition? Oh, that's right.. we "trust the people."

Anonymous wrote:She's made tons of $$$ by flaunting her poor lifestyle to others and encouraging it and now she's going to make a ton of $$$ by being a spokesperson for a pharmaceutical company. It's not awful to find that disdainful.

This.

I am a registered dietitian whose FB page has been lit up all day over this issue. That Paula Dean is now profiting by taking money from a drug manufacturer who sells medication to manage a disease her lifestyle causes (she's also a smoker, BTW) is dispicable. A new low in consumer drug marketing, if that were possible.

Anonymous wrote:So some people are trying to argue on this thread that PD's lifestyle seemed healthy and didn't cause her diabetes?

I don't think so. I think people are trying to get others to understand the following points:

There is no single cause of Type 2 diabetes, and while dietary practices can contribute, they are not the sole, necessary, or inevitable cause of it.
People make choices that may harm their health. Be fair: Laugh at all of them or none of them, but don't pick and choose because you do or don't like someone.
There are very little data suggesting that eating fatty foods is an immediate problem for diabetics. Counting carbs, especially simple carbs, is a much more pressing concern.
While most people with Type 2 diabetes are overweight, most overweight people do not have Type 2 diabetes. Moreover, it is not clear whether the weight gain is a cause, or solely a cause, of the disease. It may be that poor dietary and exercise habits that are a problem for people with Type 2 diabetes are also habits that result in weight gain. Correspondence is not causation.
We aren't following Paula Deen around every day, all day. We don't actually know what her habits are, and it is none of our fucking business unless she starts dispensing medical advice. As long as all she's doing is demonstrating recipes, the only dishonest thing she can be accused of is showing them if they don't work.

http://healthateverysizeblog.wordpress.com/2011/11/15/the-haes-files-does-bariatric-surgery-cure-diabetes/

Anonymous wrote:I realize this isn't about PDeen, but, I'm still trying to understand all the PPs who insist that many cases (so, millions) of breast cancer are the result of being fat around the midsection/estrogen overload.

This isn't in controversy; why are PPs refuting that?

I don't think anyone is refuting that, more like saying it's apples and oranges.

Anonymous wrote:I lost all respect for Paula Deen a few years ago, after hearing her on Diane Rehm's show. Deen had a very lucrative partnership with Smithfield Farms to promote their products, and it had recently come out that SF engaged in some very abusive labor practices. (NLRB and human rights orgs had been publicizing the situation.) When a caller on the show asked Deen about it, she basically blew it off and showed no concern at all. I was pretty shocked. Diane Rehm must have been, too, because she allowed another caller a few minutes later to press Deen again. Diane even asked her if she would follow up on the allegations with the company and again Deen demurred. Frankly, I've never seen/heard anything like it from a celebrity before.

That's the final straw for me. Obviously her primary concern is $, even above her own health or others' wellbeing. That's a shame.

Anonymous wrote:This is wrong of me I know but I couldn't help but chuckle after reading that Paula Deen-the queen of Lard, has diabetes. I mean, isn't that just a classic 'duh' case, judging from her cooking?. She says she's not going to completely cut butter out of her cooking/diet because that would just be outrageous, if she's going to eat fatty foods, it has to be the real deal BUT she will use butter in moderation, yeah ok.

DH loves her shows and I sometimes watch it with him, the copious amount of butter, sugar and grease in her cooking is scary. She eats her vegetables and fruits--fried lettuce and caramel carrots.
And now she's a spokesperson for some diabetes drug company? I don't even get that one.
Anthony Bourdain so eloquently tweeted that he is considering going into the leg breaking business so he can sell profitably crutches later on.

The kicker is she has been working with big pharma to represent diabetes meds while pushing her nasty food. Talk about conflict of interest.

And yes, diet does influence diabetes.

I realize this isn't about PDeen, but, I'm still trying to understand all the PPs who insist that many cases (so, millions) of breast cancer are the result of being fat around the midsection/estrogen overload.

This isn't in controversy; why are PPs refuting that?

I lost all respect for Paula Deen a few years ago, after hearing her on Diane Rehm's show. Deen had a very lucrative partnership with Smithfield Farms to promote their products, and it had recently come out that SF engaged in some very abusive labor practices. (NLRB and human rights orgs had been publicizing the situation.) When a caller on the show asked Deen about it, she basically blew it off and showed no concern at all. I was pretty shocked. Diane Rehm must have been, too, because she allowed another caller a few minutes later to press Deen again. Diane even asked her if she would follow up on the allegations with the company and again Deen demurred. Frankly, I've never seen/heard anything like it from a celebrity before.

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Why are there so many people that think Type II diabetes is NOT related to diet? Sure there is a genetic risk component, but 100% of type II diabetes has to do with weight and eating sugar (not fat) which causes insulin resistance. The cure for type II diabetes is diet and exercise. The problem is that it takes 20+ years of very poor eating habits to develop the disease and at that point diet & exercise isn't easy. Hence insulin shots.

Type 2 diabetes is absolutely related to diet, but the genetic predisposition is stronger in some people than in others and it does not always include obesity or overweight. My father was diagnosed type 2 in his mid-30s and had never been overweight a day in his life -- in fact he was quite slender, even skinny, as a teenager and 20something, and the weight he gained in his 30s was a manifestation of the disease taking hold, not the other way around. I am now in my mid-30s and fortunately I have not developed the disease, but I have had gestational diabetes in each pregnancy despite not being overweight or gaining too much weight during pregnancy.

My point being, yes, a lot of people develop diabetes over time and related to weight and caused by diet interacting with genetic predisposition, but not everyone who is type 2 is overweight or even has a terrible diet. If you have a strong predisposition to become diabetic, you would have to eat not just a reasonably healthy diet, but a very low-carb diet, to prevent it, and in this culture that is very difficult to do (believe me, I know). I just don't like the tone on this thread that everyone with type 2 diabetes "ate their way" into a disease that they could have prevented. It's not that simple.

If you don't think Paula Deen ate her way into obesity then I suggest you re-watch her shows. I call your particular attention to her signature dish: beefburger with bacon in a donut instead of a bun. Also, battered deep fried butter. Admittedly, her zero exercise and pack-a-day smoking might not have been a huge help either, but she wasn't advocating those two so I will let it slide(r).

For real??? I never watched Paula Deen, but that is just SICK. Who cooks like that???