Anonymous
Post 12/16/2011 14:28     Subject: Re:Why do children of the wealthy and successful need tutoring ?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So are you saying the kids in these top schools aren't smart enough to be in these schools? I don't get your point.

Well, there must be something wrong if you still need tutoring despite attending such a fancy school
Remember:
HHI + zip code = high iq


Actually, in our family's case it's highly academically successful and hard-working grandparents on both sides, followed by highly academically successful parents (and professionally successful parents in the sense of having significant autonomy, responsibity and authority in intellectually-engaging, socially-useful jobs), followed by kids who are intellectually engaged and fun. Both my husband and I had tutors at different times growing up, for a combination of remediation (after a family tragedy) and acceleration. Not one of us has scored lower than the equivalent of a 150 IQ, nor have any of us ever had any difficulty keeping up academically or socially with out peers through high school or in the ivy college and grad schools we attended. Not bring defensive, but there seems to be a presumption that the kids of successful parents, or kids in pirovate school, somehow can't keep up with peers in public school. In our case it's that thd private scho offers what we want for our kids, and the tuition isn't all that relevant in our financial situation. Same with tutors.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2011 22:55     Subject: Re:Why do children of the wealthy and successful need tutoring ?
Because there is no equality. *Pretending to be wealthy and successful here...* Okay, we let your kids go to college, which was once only for the privileged. But guess what? They're going to go to the crappy ones because I can afford the best tutors for my kids. And in the end my kids will graduate from the best colleges and get the best jobs. And your kids get to be unemployed or underemployed and in debt, to boot! Just like before when your kids couldn't go to college! No, you don't get to get ahead. Don't even think we will give you equality. *Remember, no flames-just pretending here.*
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2011 22:49     Subject: Re:Why do children of the wealthy and successful need tutoring ?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So are you saying the kids in these top schools aren't smart enough to be in these schools? I don't get your point.

Well, there must be something wrong if you still need tutoring despite attending such a fancy school
Remember:
HHI + zip code = high iq


What PP is saying is that tutoring = Low IQ

Anonymous
Post 12/15/2011 22:19     Subject: Re:Why do children of the wealthy and successful need tutoring ?
Anonymous wrote:So are you saying the kids in these top schools aren't smart enough to be in these schools? I don't get your point.

Well, there must be something wrong if you still need tutoring despite attending such a fancy school
Remember:
HHI + zip code = high iq
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2011 22:10     Subject: Re:Why do children of the wealthy and successful need tutoring ?
Anonymous wrote:Frankly the epidemic of LD in America relates to a yearning for an excuse for failure and poor performance. Quick fix excuses and rationalizations. Explains her decline. Excuses, excuses, excuses when entitlement, entitlement, entitlement slowly dies out. It's not an unexpected phenomenon with cultures like ours ... quite predictable.


So are you saying the kids in these top schools aren't smart enough to be in these schools? I don't get your point.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2011 21:44     Subject: Re:Why do children of the wealthy and successful need tutoring ?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Frankly the epidemic of LD in America relates to a yearning for an excuse for failure and poor performance. Quick fix excuses and rationalizations. Explains her decline. Excuses, excuses, excuses when entitlement, entitlement, entitlement slowly dies out. It's not an unexpected phenomenon with cultures like ours ... quite predictable.


Maybe the problem is the over involvement of adults in their kids lives and their over identification with performance of their kids. Why in gods name do kids have it be perfect ?


This is just the classic example of cluelessness. Like watching a child throw a temper tantrum in the grocery store and just assuming bad parenting. You have no clue what is going on in somebody else's life - clueless voyeur.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2011 20:14     Subject: Re:Why do children of the wealthy and successful need tutoring ?
Anonymous wrote:Frankly the epidemic of LD in America relates to a yearning for an excuse for failure and poor performance. Quick fix excuses and rationalizations. Explains her decline. Excuses, excuses, excuses when entitlement, entitlement, entitlement slowly dies out. It's not an unexpected phenomenon with cultures like ours ... quite predictable.


Maybe the problem is the over involvement of adults in their kids lives and their over identification with performance of their kids. Why in gods name do kids have it be perfect ?
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2011 18:24     Subject: Why do children of the wealthy and successful need tutoring ?
Why? Because it's an arms race, and everybody is worried about falling behind everybody else. Back in the day - when I was in HS a long time ago - my HS in a medium-sized northeastern state didn't have AP classes, and tutoring for SATs was unheard of.

Now everybody who can does SAT tutoring. Why? Because everybody else is doing it and getting that 100-200 point advantage you supposedly (note the qualifier) get from SAT tutoring, so you don't want your own kid to be left behind.

Same with tutoring for regular classes like math. My DD's classes are much, much harder than anything I took, and I went to a pretty good high school and then college. And I have to confess, even though both DH and I took math through college calculus, neither of us could help either of our kids in math now.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2011 16:04     Subject: Re:Why do children of the wealthy and successful need tutoring ?
Sensitive ain't we? Are you guilty?
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2011 11:53     Subject: Why do children of the wealthy and successful need tutoring ?
OP, why do you care? It is None of your business. MYOB.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2011 09:26     Subject: Why do children of the wealthy and successful need tutoring ?
For the same reasons that the children of the not wealthy and/or less-than-successful do.

Why do rich kids get more tutoring? Their parents can afford it.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2011 09:03     Subject: Re:Why do children of the wealthy and successful need tutoring ?
My phone sucks - my comment is in the middle.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2011 08:59     Subject: Re:Why do children of the wealthy and successful need tutoring ?
Anonymous wrote:
IQ is fixed and since they can measure that with some sort of accuracy and a kid with a high IQ is not able to read in 4th grade there is a need for extra help. Schools are not designed to teach certain children to read - they need a different methodology - there are schools that use that methodology and some don't. Which is why public goes from phonics to whole word methods every 7 years like the economy. It's basically lame.

I actually have a working relationship with my kids teachers and don't expect all kinds of accomodations that take away from the other kids and we just simply put them in some tutoring. I don't have my kids tutored based on grades but based on frustration.

I am very happy with a C and feel blessed with a B. A's are non existent in our house - except in gym.

BTW - the Bell Shaped Curve has been proven in education to be a bad model.


Sorry my phone is definitely not as smart as others either.

I meant to say IQ may or may not be fixed but is measurable.


If your height, weight, body surface area are not fixed for a given individual at birth why do intelligent persons think IQ is fixed at birth?

Not so intelligent after all.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2011 08:51     Subject: Re:Why do children of the wealthy and successful need tutoring ?
Anonymous wrote:
If your IQ is in the 90% and your school grades are on the left side of the curve then yes you have a LD.


What if your IQ is 40% and your school grades are on the far right side of the curve?


Then you go to public.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2011 08:44     Subject: Re:Why do children of the wealthy and successful need tutoring ?
Frankly the epidemic of LD in America relates to a yearning for an excuse for failure and poor performance. Quick fix excuses and rationalizations. Explains her decline. Excuses, excuses, excuses when entitlement, entitlement, entitlement slowly dies out. It's not an unexpected phenomenon with cultures like ours ... quite predictable.