Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 14:34     Subject: What happened to Baby Lisa?
Probably good to know yourself. I can drink a glass of wine and am not affected. I would never ever drink even close to enough to prevent me from driving or from reacting to an emergency even when my child was sleeping and I will definitely judge people who would. Just because the child is sleeping, you can do whatever you want? The child could fall out of the crib, throw up, become very sick, just have one of those nights where she doesn't want to sleep, etc. Why is this not obvious?
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 14:30     Subject: What happened to Baby Lisa?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not for 18 years but if I'm the only one in charge I'd rather be alcohol free. I worked as a life guard for a good chunck of my youth and I've seen ugly things happen with people who had only one glass.

I would want to be sober and ready to go in case of a fire, a medical emergency, home burglary or just a scared kid who had a nightmare. I've been taking turns drinking with groups of friends as soon as we were allowed to drink and we never had a problem with that. OTOH, I've seen sad things happen when a sober person was needed.

I come from a place where the tolerance for alcohol is zero so you cannot drive, operate machinery or go to work if you had what you call "just one glass" why would I want to jeopardize the safety of my family for that little pleasure? My peace of mind is more valuable than that sip of alcohol. And I'm sorry if I sounded so judgmental but we know what drunk people sound like when they try to make excuses, there's no need to pretend anything here. We're all anonymous anyway.


You seem to just simply be missing a crucial point here. Drinking a glass of wine is not going to affect your sobriety at all. Drinking one sip of alcohol certainly won't affect your ability either.

You just seem like a crazy anti-alcohol person. Personally, I can have a glass of wine with dinner and take perfect care of my kids. Nobody is saying you should get drunk and watch children, but you do realize that drinking one sip of wine or even one glass doesn't make a person incapcitated in any way...right?


It might not affect you, but this is not true for everybody. That's why there are laws telling people to not drink and drive, because someone out there has no common sense on what's OK and what's not.

I prefer not to drink and my DH agrees with me. If being under the influence doesn't affect you, good for you. I'd rather not take a chance with my children.
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 14:22     Subject: What happened to Baby Lisa?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NP here- 12:47 you are coming off as extremely judgmental. Are you the same person from the Amanda Knox thread who thinks smoking pot makes you a murderer? and now drinking makes you a bad parent/baby killer?

I am sad for the family, not sure what the story is but I wouldn't assume a glass of wine made this women kill her child.


I'm not in that thread but I was just responding to a person who seemed to be making excuses to drinking while in charge of little ones.

It's never OK, being it one bottle or one sip.

Once one decides to be a parent they should be mature enough to know better. Alcohol definitely has its place and it doesn't belong with watching little children.


I disagree. It's fine to have one glass of wine while in charge of children. You need to be able to drive, of course, in case an emergency arises, so if you can't drive safely on one glass of wine, don't have it. Otherwise, one glass of wine or one beer is fine. Now that all my children sleep through the night, I am much more capable of taking care of them on one glass of wine than I was stone-cold sober and deliriously sleep-deprived with a baby.
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 14:13     Subject: What happened to Baby Lisa?
Oh it also said that the mom said not to judge her - that she needs adult time too and the baby was sleeping so whatever she could do what she wants. Ugh.
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 14:12     Subject: What happened to Baby Lisa?
The article I read said she had been sitting on her front porch all night chatting with the neighbor and had had AT LEAST 5 glasses of wine. She didn't remember going back inside, turning the lights off, or anything. And she only checked on the baby once early in the evening and the child was standing in her crib.

Go on and debate how many glasses of wine we can all have while we are responsible for children, but I think we can all agree that drinking at least 5 glasses (and probably more) is not OK.
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 14:11     Subject: Re:What happened to Baby Lisa?
there is most definitely a lot of ground between one sip and drunk. One drink does not make me incapable of picking up a phone to dial 911. One drink also doesn't make me pass out. I don't drink when I know I'm already tired - a reason I also have never taken sleeping pills. We use our judgement when it comes to drinking while our child is home/in our care. We like to a have a glass or two of wine with our weekend dinners - we're not drinking to get drunk. There is no crime in that.

All things in moderation - again.
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 14:03     Subject: What happened to Baby Lisa?
Anonymous wrote:Not for 18 years but if I'm the only one in charge I'd rather be alcohol free. I worked as a life guard for a good chunck of my youth and I've seen ugly things happen with people who had only one glass.

I would want to be sober and ready to go in case of a fire, a medical emergency, home burglary or just a scared kid who had a nightmare. I've been taking turns drinking with groups of friends as soon as we were allowed to drink and we never had a problem with that. OTOH, I've seen sad things happen when a sober person was needed.

I come from a place where the tolerance for alcohol is zero so you cannot drive, operate machinery or go to work if you had what you call "just one glass" why would I want to jeopardize the safety of my family for that little pleasure? My peace of mind is more valuable than that sip of alcohol. And I'm sorry if I sounded so judgmental but we know what drunk people sound like when they try to make excuses, there's no need to pretend anything here. We're all anonymous anyway.


You seem to just simply be missing a crucial point here. Drinking a glass of wine is not going to affect your sobriety at all. Drinking one sip of alcohol certainly won't affect your ability either.

You just seem like a crazy anti-alcohol person. Personally, I can have a glass of wine with dinner and take perfect care of my kids. Nobody is saying you should get drunk and watch children, but you do realize that drinking one sip of wine or even one glass doesn't make a person incapcitated in any way...right?
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 14:02     Subject: What happened to Baby Lisa?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I'm not in that thread but I was just responding to a person who seemed to be making excuses to drinking while in charge of little ones.

It's never OK, being it one bottle or one sip.

Once one decides to be a parent they should be mature enough to know better. Alcohol definitely has its place and it doesn't belong with watching little children.


you don't see this an extreme- so for 18 years while you have a child in your care, one sip is completely out of the question unless you have a babysitter or something?


Not for 18 years but if I'm the only one in charge I'd rather be alcohol free. I worked as a life guard for a good chunck of my youth and I've seen ugly things happen with people who had only one glass.

I would want to be sober and ready to go in case of a fire, a medical emergency, home burglary or just a scared kid who had a nightmare. I've been taking turns drinking with groups of friends as soon as we were allowed to drink and we never had a problem with that. OTOH, I've seen sad things happen when a sober person was needed.


NP here. I'm not a drinker, but couldn't the same be applied to taking cold/allergy/anti-depressants, etc.? I've taken meds where they've made me loopy or sleepy. There are a lot of things that have similar effects of alcohol.


PP you quoted here.

I completely understand and I had to take such medication before. On those days, DH skips the drinks - he'll skip his drink too if I'm the one having a sip that night. We always have one adult drug free when there's children under our care. We never had or heard of a tragedy when this precaution was taken. We co-slept for a long time and this is one of the guidelines in co-sleeping. If one of the parents has drugs in their organism they should not be sleeping with the child. It's not hard at all if you have your priorities straight - in case of the alcohol - or if you're mature enough to make the right choice - in case of the medication.


I love how you refer DH as having "drinks" and you have a "sip." You sound like such a tool.


Are you by any chance the OP going all bonkers because your friend says her husband "babysits" or "helps" with the kids?
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 14:00     Subject: What happened to Baby Lisa?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NP here- 12:47 you are coming off as extremely judgmental. Are you the same person from the Amanda Knox thread who thinks smoking pot makes you a murderer? and now drinking makes you a bad parent/baby killer?

I am sad for the family, not sure what the story is but I wouldn't assume a glass of wine made this women kill her child.


I'm not in that thread but I was just responding to a person who seemed to be making excuses to drinking while in charge of little ones.

It's never OK, being it one bottle or one sip.

Once one decides to be a parent they should be mature enough to know better. Alcohol definitely has its place and it doesn't belong with watching little children.


Ahh yes, sanctimommy is in full force tonight.

Just ignore her people. Her own self-righteousness is going to backfire big time one day with her kids.


???

It's freaking AFTERNOON!!!

Have you been drinking, ma'am? LOL
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 13:57     Subject: What happened to Baby Lisa?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NP here- 12:47 you are coming off as extremely judgmental. Are you the same person from the Amanda Knox thread who thinks smoking pot makes you a murderer? and now drinking makes you a bad parent/baby killer?

I am sad for the family, not sure what the story is but I wouldn't assume a glass of wine made this women kill her child.


I'm not in that thread but I was just responding to a person who seemed to be making excuses to drinking while in charge of little ones.

It's never OK, being it one bottle or one sip.

Once one decides to be a parent they should be mature enough to know better. Alcohol definitely has its place and it doesn't belong with watching little children.


Ahh yes, sanctimommy is in full force tonight.

Just ignore her people. Her own self-righteousness is going to backfire big time one day with her kids.
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 13:56     Subject: What happened to Baby Lisa?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I'm not in that thread but I was just responding to a person who seemed to be making excuses to drinking while in charge of little ones.

It's never OK, being it one bottle or one sip.

Once one decides to be a parent they should be mature enough to know better. Alcohol definitely has its place and it doesn't belong with watching little children.


you don't see this an extreme- so for 18 years while you have a child in your care, one sip is completely out of the question unless you have a babysitter or something?


Not for 18 years but if I'm the only one in charge I'd rather be alcohol free. I worked as a life guard for a good chunck of my youth and I've seen ugly things happen with people who had only one glass.

I would want to be sober and ready to go in case of a fire, a medical emergency, home burglary or just a scared kid who had a nightmare. I've been taking turns drinking with groups of friends as soon as we were allowed to drink and we never had a problem with that. OTOH, I've seen sad things happen when a sober person was needed.


NP here. I'm not a drinker, but couldn't the same be applied to taking cold/allergy/anti-depressants, etc.? I've taken meds where they've made me loopy or sleepy. There are a lot of things that have similar effects of alcohol.


PP you quoted here.

I completely understand and I had to take such medication before. On those days, DH skips the drinks - he'll skip his drink too if I'm the one having a sip that night. We always have one adult drug free when there's children under our care. We never had or heard of a tragedy when this precaution was taken. We co-slept for a long time and this is one of the guidelines in co-sleeping. If one of the parents has drugs in their organism they should not be sleeping with the child. It's not hard at all if you have your priorities straight - in case of the alcohol - or if you're mature enough to make the right choice - in case of the medication.


I love how you refer DH as having "drinks" and you have a "sip." You sound like such a tool.
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 13:53     Subject: What happened to Baby Lisa?
Anonymous wrote:I completely understand and I had to take such medication before. On those days, DH skips the drinks - he'll skip his drink too if I'm the one having a sip that night. We always have one adult drug free when there's children under our care. We never had or heard of a tragedy when this precaution was taken. We co-slept for a long time and this is one of the guidelines in co-sleeping. If one of the parents has drugs in their organism they should not be sleeping with the child. It's not hard at all if you have your priorities straight - in case of the alcohol - or if you're mature enough to make the right choice - in case of the medication.


You've never heard of any tragedy happening unless a parent was drunk? Polly Klaas - don't think her mom was drunk when she was abducted from her house. Elizabeth Smart - Mormons are generally not known as big drinkers. Heck, my own son broke his arm with his fully sober dad RIGHT THERE because he happened to fall awkwardly.

Lisa's mom admitted in an interview that she was drunk. But there's a LOT of ground between a sip of alcohol and full-on drunk.
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 13:49     Subject: What happened to Baby Lisa?
Anonymous wrote:where did she say she was drunk?


She said it during an interview. Then this came response was released -

Bradley told NBC's "Today Show" Monday that the night Lisa disappeared she had bought wine and consumed "enough to be drunk."

A surveillance video was uncovered during the search for the baby, showing Bradley at a local market purchasing boxed wine as well as baby supplies shortly before 5 p.m. on the night Lisa went missing, reports CBS affiliate KCTV.


Private investigator Bill Stanton, who is working with the couple to help find Lisa, says Bradley did have two or three drinks that night. He also thinks that she may have misspoken when talking to the national news reporter.

"Your version of drunk maybe different than Deborah's version of drunk," said Bill Stanton.

Bradley says police asked her if she killed Lisa, who was 10 months old when she disappeared Oct. 4. She says she doesn't "think alcohol changes a person enough to do something like that."

She says she fears being arrested because then the search for Lisa will end and she will "never know what happened."


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20121276-504083.html
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 13:48     Subject: What happened to Baby Lisa?
Anonymous wrote:where did she say she was drunk?


It was on the news today, she admitted to being drunk and the have her on camera buying a box of wine.
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2011 13:47     Subject: What happened to Baby Lisa?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

I'm not in that thread but I was just responding to a person who seemed to be making excuses to drinking while in charge of little ones.

It's never OK, being it one bottle or one sip.

Once one decides to be a parent they should be mature enough to know better. Alcohol definitely has its place and it doesn't belong with watching little children.


you don't see this an extreme- so for 18 years while you have a child in your care, one sip is completely out of the question unless you have a babysitter or something?


Not for 18 years but if I'm the only one in charge I'd rather be alcohol free. I worked as a life guard for a good chunck of my youth and I've seen ugly things happen with people who had only one glass.

I would want to be sober and ready to go in case of a fire, a medical emergency, home burglary or just a scared kid who had a nightmare. I've been taking turns drinking with groups of friends as soon as we were allowed to drink and we never had a problem with that. OTOH, I've seen sad things happen when a sober person was needed.


NP here. I'm not a drinker, but couldn't the same be applied to taking cold/allergy/anti-depressants, etc.? I've taken meds where they've made me loopy or sleepy. There are a lot of things that have similar effects of alcohol.


PP you quoted here.

I completely understand and I had to take such medication before. On those days, DH skips the drinks - he'll skip his drink too if I'm the one having a sip that night. We always have one adult drug free when there's children under our care. We never had or heard of a tragedy when this precaution was taken. We co-slept for a long time and this is one of the guidelines in co-sleeping. If one of the parents has drugs in their organism they should not be sleeping with the child. It's not hard at all if you have your priorities straight - in case of the alcohol - or if you're mature enough to make the right choice - in case of the medication.