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It's House Fraus actually. And I don't know about MK, but I love myself some Avon.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a SAHM mom. Super Qualified in Child Care and Nutrition. HOWEVER, I decided to start my own business. I am a Mary Kay consultant and I work less than 10 hours a week. LOVE that I still get to stay home. LOVE that I have time for me. LOVE making women feel as beautiful as they truly are. Guess that comes from the nurturing side of being a mom. ALSO, all the people giving flack for being a SAHM. Just give CONSTRUCTIVE ADVICE. No more rudeness. There is enough hate in this world to be passed around. How about some love.....

Just curious -- how much do you make with Mary Kay? My sister has started to sell it, with the dream of being able to eventually quit her full-time job and stay home with her daughter. I personally would be shocked if she ended up being able to make enough to do so, and would love to hear your success story.

not the PP you quoted but my mom put me and my brother through private school for 7 years with MK and college. Working only when we were at school. She was home for sick and no school days and all our school/sports events.

That's awesome! I'm no expert but I imagine the economy is different now. Are there still a lot of people buying MK? Maybe, I don't know. I had heard some of those types of businesses are suffering as people cut back. Not to mention, there are so many inexpensive, high quality drug store alternatives now. Just seems like a different market than when your mom was doing it. But like I said, I'm no expert. It just sounds risky.

Seriously? Who the hell buys Mary Kay? that stuff is such junk for old house frows, not hte modern woman who spends good money on her appearance. MK is going the way of bananna clips and blue eyeliner.

People who sell Mary Kay buy Mary Kay. It's a borderline pyramid scheme.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a SAHM mom. Super Qualified in Child Care and Nutrition. HOWEVER, I decided to start my own business. I am a Mary Kay consultant and I work less than 10 hours a week. LOVE that I still get to stay home. LOVE that I have time for me. LOVE making women feel as beautiful as they truly are. Guess that comes from the nurturing side of being a mom. ALSO, all the people giving flack for being a SAHM. Just give CONSTRUCTIVE ADVICE. No more rudeness. There is enough hate in this world to be passed around. How about some love.....

Just curious -- how much do you make with Mary Kay? My sister has started to sell it, with the dream of being able to eventually quit her full-time job and stay home with her daughter. I personally would be shocked if she ended up being able to make enough to do so, and would love to hear your success story.

not the PP you quoted but my mom put me and my brother through private school for 7 years with MK and college. Working only when we were at school. She was home for sick and no school days and all our school/sports events.

That's awesome! I'm no expert but I imagine the economy is different now. Are there still a lot of people buying MK? Maybe, I don't know. I had heard some of those types of businesses are suffering as people cut back. Not to mention, there are so many inexpensive, high quality drug store alternatives now. Just seems like a different market than when your mom was doing it. But like I said, I'm no expert. It just sounds risky.

Seriously? Who the hell buys Mary Kay? that stuff is such junk for old house frows, not hte modern woman who spends good money on her appearance. MK is going the way of bananna clips and blue eyeliner.

It's House Fraus actually. And I don't know about MK, but I love myself some Avon.

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't hire you as a lawyer, but in an administrative position, sure.

You sound awful and short sighted. You would want a trained lawyer to be your admin. rather than maximize her education and expertise? If yhat is the case, you clearly aren't a very good manager of human capital. Your attitude suggests low self-esteem and a lack of leadership qualities. For ex., your desire to take this SAHM- lawyer down a peg rather than to maximize her contribution tells me you have no business as part of the hiring committe at any decent corp or law firm.

No doubt the op can and will find a more clever and innovative boss than you.

OP,

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/190409.page#1812639

this was an interesting discussion a few weeks ago. Put your DCUM armor on and steel yourself for the rampant snarky comments and prejudice you will see between the lines of some of the discussion's turns, however (as usual).

There are some interesting insights. Good luck!

I wouldn't hire you as a lawyer, but in an administrative position, sure.

Anonymous wrote:Firs, nobody said they're European. Second, we're talking about the poster who assumed they don't have money to raise a child when they come back. The talk about comparing traveling vs SAHM was left on page 1. If you want to discuss please keep track of the responses.

You are an idiot -- this question was asked specifically as an analog to the SAHM question, and abandoning the aspect of that that overlaps with the SAHM original topic would just mean this is incredibly irrelevant.

P.S. It IS incredibly irrelevant, anyway. To the PP who originally posted it, REALLY? You really want to know if a couple with family money, not based in the US (i.e. not limited to our economy), and who want go entrepreneur (not back to employers) after travel will be ok? REALLY?! Because, if so, you are an idiot.

I'm a SAHM who plans to return to work full time in the next couple years. In the 3 years I've been a mom, I've done PT consulting work to keep my network and skills up to date. Most SAHM's I know have also kept their networks current to make the future job search easier. Unless you are entry level (and sometimes even if you are), having a strong network is key to getting your resume in front of, and reviewed by, the right people. I made a career change 2 years prior to having kids and the philosophy was the same for that process as well.

In reading this thread, I'm struck by the responses to the traveling question. Dh and I traveled for 6 mos after our wedding. We were both 31 at the time and well established in our respective companies/fields. I negotiated a leave of absence from my employer, with no guarantee that a job would be waiting for me. Dh had to resign from his company, but was contacted about an open position 6 weeks before we returned, so jumped right in a week after we got home. A position, with a promotion and salary increase, opened up for me with my company about 6 weeks after we returned.

Unless you plan to stay at the Ritz and only travel first class, there are very economical ways to travel. We rented our condo so our mortage was covered. A friend served as our landlord in exchange for using and insuring our car while we were gone. We spent about $35K, saw 14 countries and had experiences of a lifetime. We could have spent even less, but chose to splurge on some things. Friends of ours did similar trips for 12 months. Never met an employer or network contact who saw this experience as a negative in any way.

To OP, good luck. Try to find networking events to broaden your list of contacts. Most schools have strong alumni clubs in the area with frequent social events. You never know when you'll meet someone who can help you. Set up informational interviews to learn more about the field you want to try. Get yourself out there.

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Anonymous wrote:What if the person decided to take a break to travel? Would the approach be the same?

Most people don't take several years off to travel.

How does this answer my question?

DH has a couple friend who just took a year off of work to travel the world and TTC in the process. We're so happy for them. (They didn't tell the TTC part to anybody but us, not even their parents) but she was kind of scared about the impact on their careers. The husband said SCREW IT, WE'VE WORKED HARD ENOUGH FOR TOO LONG TIME TO RELAX and I told her that she'll have a lot to think of if they indeed get pregnant in the process... They're on month 3 and just finishing Europe. Next step is a cruise in Greece and they're heading to Asia. Their FB pics are breathtaking!

Hopefully they will still have a LOT in savings before the baby arrives...

To answer other posters, no, someone taking 1+ years off to travel is huge red flag. It would possibly indicate that they are young and already burnt out or hate their current life and not as committed or responsible as other people. College students travel the world for years on end, not adults. And I say this having met many older adults traveling the world (I was working and traveling) - most seemed extremely lost. Different story for people who took job opportunities to see the world.

What kind of comment is this? LOL You should extremely jealous.

Not the PP, but this is a very practical comment. Babies are expensive, FYI; and if you're not working to earn money, then you have to wonder where the money to raise that child will come from.

Hey sweetheart, this folks are taking A YEAR BREAK TO TRAVEL THE WORLD... do you think they're stupid teenagers who can't do financial plan? They're not backpacking to Europe to run away from college... They're both successful professionals who believe their career is not more important than their relationship and family. I guess they have that small detail figured out already.

What a bunch of envious people! Geesh!

But how does that SHOW they are responsible and committed to a prospective employer? It doesn't...

Since the other person posted a follow up - of course they can do it with family money, being European, and starting a business. None of those 3 things were posted in the original question - the question posed was if it was taking a year off to travel vs SAHM would it be considered the same by an employer. It absolutely would, they both count against you (unless with travel you were straight out of college).

Firs, nobody said they're European. Second, we're talking about the poster who assumed they don't have money to raise a child when they come back. The talk about comparing traveling vs SAHM was left on page 1. If you want to discuss please keep track of the responses.

Anonymous wrote:I don't want to hear shit about staying home so as not to miss those precious, precious moments with your special, special snowflake.

I feel sorry for your kid.

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Anonymous wrote:What if the person decided to take a break to travel? Would the approach be the same?

Most people don't take several years off to travel.

How does this answer my question?

DH has a couple friend who just took a year off of work to travel the world and TTC in the process. We're so happy for them. (They didn't tell the TTC part to anybody but us, not even their parents) but she was kind of scared about the impact on their careers. The husband said SCREW IT, WE'VE WORKED HARD ENOUGH FOR TOO LONG TIME TO RELAX and I told her that she'll have a lot to think of if they indeed get pregnant in the process... They're on month 3 and just finishing Europe. Next step is a cruise in Greece and they're heading to Asia. Their FB pics are breathtaking!

Hopefully they will still have a LOT in savings before the baby arrives...

To answer other posters, no, someone taking 1+ years off to travel is huge red flag. It would possibly indicate that they are young and already burnt out or hate their current life and not as committed or responsible as other people. College students travel the world for years on end, not adults. And I say this having met many older adults traveling the world (I was working and traveling) - most seemed extremely lost. Different story for people who took job opportunities to see the world.

What kind of comment is this? LOL You should extremely jealous.

Not the PP, but this is a very practical comment. Babies are expensive, FYI; and if you're not working to earn money, then you have to wonder where the money to raise that child will come from.

Hey sweetheart, this folks are taking A YEAR BREAK TO TRAVEL THE WORLD... do you think they're stupid teenagers who can't do financial plan? They're not backpacking to Europe to run away from college... They're both successful professionals who believe their career is not more important than their relationship and family. I guess they have that small detail figured out already.

What a bunch of envious people! Geesh!

But how does that SHOW they are responsible and committed to a prospective employer? It doesn't...

Since the other person posted a follow up - of course they can do it with family money, being European, and starting a business. None of those 3 things were posted in the original question - the question posed was if it was taking a year off to travel vs SAHM would it be considered the same by an employer. It absolutely would, they both count against you (unless with travel you were straight out of college).

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Anonymous wrote:I am a SAHM mom. Super Qualified in Child Care and Nutrition. HOWEVER, I decided to start my own business. I am a Mary Kay consultant and I work less than 10 hours a week. LOVE that I still get to stay home. LOVE that I have time for me. LOVE making women feel as beautiful as they truly are. Guess that comes from the nurturing side of being a mom. ALSO, all the people giving flack for being a SAHM. Just give CONSTRUCTIVE ADVICE. No more rudeness. There is enough hate in this world to be passed around. How about some love.....

Just curious -- how much do you make with Mary Kay? My sister has started to sell it, with the dream of being able to eventually quit her full-time job and stay home with her daughter. I personally would be shocked if she ended up being able to make enough to do so, and would love to hear your success story.

not the PP you quoted but my mom put me and my brother through private school for 7 years with MK and college. Working only when we were at school. She was home for sick and no school days and all our school/sports events.

That's awesome! I'm no expert but I imagine the economy is different now. Are there still a lot of people buying MK? Maybe, I don't know. I had heard some of those types of businesses are suffering as people cut back. Not to mention, there are so many inexpensive, high quality drug store alternatives now. Just seems like a different market than when your mom was doing it. But like I said, I'm no expert. It just sounds risky.

Seriously? Who the hell buys Mary Kay? that stuff is such junk for old house frows, not hte modern woman who spends good money on her appearance. MK is going the way of bananna clips and blue eyeliner.