Anonymous wrote:Most people have never heard of Williams.

The people who matter have.

Most people have never heard of Williams.

Williams is the best of the NESCAC with Amherst and Bowdoin a step behind. For the bigger LACs in the Patriot League would rate Holy Cross slightly ahead of Colgate which is way ahead of Bucknell. Bottom of NESCAC is weak. Williams is best of the LACs but if it were in the Ivy League it would be in the bottom half.

Anonymous wrote:all Williams athletes do extremely well with placement, not just the football meatheads or lax bros. Every sport has natural and immediate connectivity to all alumni from their sport, as well as a degree from HYPSM-level SLAC. I would expect the swimmers, wrestlers, tennis players, and cross country runners all do extremely well. No other SLAC is in the same league as Williams, it’s a special place

Williams is great but there are another 7-10 SLACs which are just as good. The idea that Williams stands alone is laughable.

Anonymous wrote:all Williams athletes do extremely well with placement, not just the football meatheads or lax bros. Every sport has natural and immediate connectivity to all alumni from their sport, as well as a degree from HYPSM-level SLAC. I would expect the swimmers, wrestlers, tennis players, and cross country runners all do extremely well. No other SLAC is in the same league as Williams, it’s a special place

In terms of econ placement, it's not even number 1

correction “athlete” not “sport”

all Williams athletes do extremely well with placement, not just the football meatheads or lax bros. Every sport has natural and immediate connectivity to all alumni from their sport, as well as a degree from HYPSM-level SLAC. I would expect the swimmers, wrestlers, tennis players, and cross country runners all do extremely well. No other SLAC is in the same league as Williams, it’s a special place

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Anonymous wrote:NESCAC schools are relics of a bygone era. Excuding Williams, the rest are irrelevant compared to the big boys of the Ivies and Duke.

Someone’s kid didn’t get in.

An incredibly weak line when they are worse

A nonsensical comment deserves nothing better. The R1 bigots are laughable especially when the evidence contradicts their assertions.

Do you want to work with an active, accomplished researcher at R1 doing impactful, federally funded research, or a "minor league" (on average) researcher at SLACs who will hold your hands each step of the way?

The truth is that your kid sitting at the R1 will not be working with an accomplished researcher at a top lab with a top researcher because they are not qualified to do so. Your kid is overhead, not an asset. If they get into a lab they will be washing equipment, supervised by a bored TA who is pissed off because they are babysitting rather than working on their research. If they truly excel at scut work they might get a bit more exposure as a senior but that pales next to a SLAC kid who has had multiple years in well equipped labs (top SLACs have great facilities) working directly with a researcher as opposed to another kid. Things aren't always what they seem.

You came to that conclusion based on a single data point?

Anonymous wrote:Do the women lax players from those schools have the same Wall St outcomes as their male counterparts?

I think so - know a woman lax player from a mid-tier NESCAC who got a job at Goldman Sachs post-grad.

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Anonymous wrote:NESCAC schools are relics of a bygone era. Excuding Williams, the rest are irrelevant compared to the big boys of the Ivies and Duke.

Someone’s kid didn’t get in.

An incredibly weak line when they are worse

A nonsensical comment deserves nothing better. The R1 bigots are laughable especially when the evidence contradicts their assertions.

Do you want to work with an active, accomplished researcher at R1 doing impactful, federally funded research, or a "minor league" (on average) researcher at SLACs who will hold your hands each step of the way?

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Anonymous wrote:NESCAC schools are relics of a bygone era. Excluding Williams, the rest are irrelevant compared to the big boys of the Ivies and Duke.

Someone’s kid didn’t get in.

Only a tiny number of students are even interested enough in applying, so I don’t think you can puff your chest and say they didn’t get in.

Agree they’re relics of a bygone era. The education received is excellent, but most bright students choose to apply elsewhere.

I can say that they didn't get in because calling them irrelevant is ignorance not reality.

Like any T10/20 they are highly rejective not highly selective. The odds of gaining admission is very small to start because of their size and desire to fill out a class full of extremely smart, well rounded students. This means that the individual pools created as they form a class are very small making fit critical.

The tiny number applying is a feature, not a bug. Since the applicants tend to be highly educated and well off to start it is a cohort which hits the ground running. They are as selective as the best R1s with far lower awareness. If you normalized awareness they would likely be far more selective than their R1 peers.

They aren't attractive to the Engineering and CS crowd (though the CS departments at the top SLACs place very well) but again this is a feature not a bug because entry level science classes are small, very rigorous and taught by professors. If you are not a student interested in engineering the overhead of an engineering department is a burden not a benefit. However, I do believe that over the next 20 years some of the top SLACs will start to look more like Dartmouth than Williams does today adding more emphasis on some aspects of STEM while maintaining their undergraduate education focus. This will be expensive and only a few can do it but it will only increase their attractiveness to those who are aware of them.

Williams non-athletes place better than all ivies except tippy top

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Anonymous wrote:NESCAC schools are relics of a bygone era. Excuding Williams, the rest are irrelevant compared to the big boys of the Ivies and Duke.

Someone’s kid didn’t get in.

Only a tiny number of students are even interested enough in applying, so I don’t think you can puff your chest and say they didn’t get in.

Agree they’re relics of a bygone era. The education received is excellent, but most bright students choose to apply elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:NESCAC schools are relics of a bygone era. Excuding Williams, the rest are irrelevant compared to the big boys of the Ivies and Duke.

Someone’s kid didn’t get in.

An incredibly weak line when they are worse

A nonsensical comment deserves nothing better. The R1 bigots are laughable especially when the evidence contradicts their assertions.