Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Fine with me. Schools should not be offering degrees that never pay off.

Well, we shouldn’t be financing such degrees with public loans. If some heiress wants a degree in studio art, she should absolutely be allowed to spend daddy’s money on it, even if the degree will never pay off in a narrow economic sense.

I feel the opposite. If you have an extrememly talented person with limited means, we lose so much by not susidizing the full development of their talents. It's like susidizing theaters and art museums.

Why are private grants and scholarships such an unacceptable solution to this problem? Why does it have to be debt?

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Anonymous wrote:God, the people in this forum are AWFUL. Late stage capitalism in its ugliest incarnation. Some of the people posting here just have zero sense that art or education or ideas have any value to society because they don't make someone rich. These MAGA parents think their rape-y investment banker bro is contributing more to society through self-enrichment than an art teacher or public humanities professional ever could. This is why our country can't have nice things.

I have a rising senior and so have checked out this forum for tips. No more. So glad I never encounter these people in real life.

+1 And they don't even realize it. They are probably "educated" in that they have degrees, but they don't have a well-rounded education. It's really sad.

You equate not wanting to pay for something with thinking something shouldn’t exist.

Nobody is saying the arts shouldn’t exist, & nobody is stopping you and your friends from funding them out of your own pockets.

I have 3 degrees in the humanities, & it never occurred to me that the taxpayers were responsible for ensuring I had a chance to learn about Plato or Samuel Johnson.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine with me. Schools should not be offering degrees that never pay off.

Well, we shouldn’t be financing such degrees with public loans. If some heiress wants a degree in studio art, she should absolutely be allowed to spend daddy’s money on it, even if the degree will never pay off in a narrow economic sense.

I feel the opposite. If you have an extrememly talented person with limited means, we lose so much by not susidizing the full development of their talents. It's like susidizing theaters and art museums.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine with me. Schools should not be offering degrees that never pay off.

Well, we shouldn’t be financing such degrees with public loans. If some heiress wants a degree in studio art, she should absolutely be allowed to spend daddy’s money on it, even if the degree will never pay off in a narrow economic sense.

Anonymous wrote:How is this substantively different from the Biden proposal?

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Anonymous wrote:Fine with me. Schools should not be offering degrees that never pay off.

Like education?

I don’t know… I kind of feel we should help people who are interested in serving others over self.

We can’t all serve ourselves.

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Anonymous wrote:I would like to see the data. How many people are taking out loans for graduate level theater, art and dance classes and then defaulting on those loans? A loan repaid is not having a tax payer pay for it! Honestly, I wonder how many people are even taking loans that they can repay for those graduate programs as the interest rate on federal student loans isn’t that great.

What I hate about Republicans today is that they NEVER try to solve any problems. They look for esoteric edge situations and then present them as massive problems to foster culture rage in low information voters!

Is this a question of default or the American taxpayer?

For me, it’s more of a question of whether it’s ethical to allow an 18 year old to take on significant debt for a degree that will burden them for the rest of their lives.

I 100% support this kind of education. I don’t support the debt levels people face unless they come from a rich family.

It is true that just because you get a degree in something, that doesn’t mean you have to work in that field. I had a co-worker a long time ago who had a MA in 18th century French literature. She was never going to work in that field. She owed 100k in student loans (this was ages ago) and we both made 24k.

If parents can’t or won’t stop their kids from taking on debt that will haunt them for the rest of their lives, then maybe the federal government shouldn’t be complicit in that debt.

Really? Show me how many 18 year olds are taking out massive debt for a graduate program in art, dance or theater! This person would need to have graduated HS at 13/14, and graduated from college by 18. I’d say anyone who accomplished that is pretty darn gifted and will do well. I’d also say the number of actual people in this scenario is negligible!!

The person in the example had a Master’s with 100k in debt years ago. Now it’s not uncommon to have a 100k in debt with a bachelor’s if you don’t have family support.

Anonymous wrote:The arts contribute immensely to the economy. Anyone been to the National Mall lately? The tourists come to go the museums, the theater, concerts, walking tours to see historical and artistic sites. This is true in every major city to some degree. At a time when manufacturing is declining, we should be investing even more in the arts.

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Anonymous wrote:I would like to see the data. How many people are taking out loans for graduate level theater, art and dance classes and then defaulting on those loans? A loan repaid is not having a tax payer pay for it! Honestly, I wonder how many people are even taking loans that they can repay for those graduate programs as the interest rate on federal student loans isn’t that great.

What I hate about Republicans today is that they NEVER try to solve any problems. They look for esoteric edge situations and then present them as massive problems to foster culture rage in low information voters!

Is this a question of default or the American taxpayer?

For me, it’s more of a question of whether it’s ethical to allow an 18 year old to take on significant debt for a degree that will burden them for the rest of their lives.

I 100% support this kind of education. I don’t support the debt levels people face unless they come from a rich family.

It is true that just because you get a degree in something, that doesn’t mean you have to work in that field. I had a co-worker a long time ago who had a MA in 18th century French literature. She was never going to work in that field. She owed 100k in student loans (this was ages ago) and we both made 24k.

If parents can’t or won’t stop their kids from taking on debt that will haunt them for the rest of their lives, then maybe the federal government shouldn’t be complicit in that debt.

Really? Show me how many 18 year olds are taking out massive debt for a graduate program in art, dance or theater! This person would need to have graduated HS at 13/14, and graduated from college by 18. I’d say anyone who accomplished that is pretty darn gifted and will do well. I’d also say the number of actual people in this scenario is negligible!!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would like to see the data. How many people are taking out loans for graduate level theater, art and dance classes and then defaulting on those loans? A loan repaid is not having a tax payer pay for it! Honestly, I wonder how many people are even taking loans that they can repay for those graduate programs as the interest rate on federal student loans isn’t that great.

What I hate about Republicans today is that they NEVER try to solve any problems. They look for esoteric edge situations and then present them as massive problems to foster culture rage in low information voters!

Is this a question of default or the American taxpayer?

For me, it’s more of a question of whether it’s ethical to allow an 18 year old to take on significant debt for a degree that will burden them for the rest of their lives.

I 100% support this kind of education. I don’t support the debt levels people face unless they come from a rich family.

It is true that just because you get a degree in something, that doesn’t mean you have to work in that field. I had a co-worker a long time ago who had a MA in 18th century French literature. She was never going to work in that field. She owed 100k in student loans (this was ages ago) and we both made 24k.

If parents can’t or won’t stop their kids from taking on debt that will haunt them for the rest of their lives, then maybe the federal government shouldn’t be complicit in that debt.

Anonymous wrote:I would like to see the data. How many people are taking out loans for graduate level theater, art and dance classes and then defaulting on those loans? A loan repaid is not having a tax payer pay for it! Honestly, I wonder how many people are even taking loans that they can repay for those graduate programs as the interest rate on federal student loans isn’t that great.

What I hate about Republicans today is that they NEVER try to solve any problems. They look for esoteric edge situations and then present them as massive problems to foster culture rage in low information voters!