Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:IMO "yard maintenance" it's an excuse to ditch boring suburbia for the more urban fun walkable areas and feel young again.When people are no longer tied to school districts they gladly go back to the lifestyle they had before kids. I am not buying that whole "being tired of yard maintenance" when people literally desire to live in SFHs and do this for decades and manage to pay for it or do it themselves. They don't suddenly get tired of having private outdoor spaces, not sharing walls with others, easy parking, not smelling other people cooking/smoking, etc. They either never liked suburban lifestyle in the first place but felt like they had to give their kids this experience, or they were too broke to outsource any yard/home maintenance in the first place, had a rundown property, they felt bad about, or barely afforded their house (house poor).
These are the main reasons people go to condos.
Even if you had money to outsource these things there’s still the mental energy of finding the people to do it, monitoring their work, staying on the schedule etc. meanwhile when I lived in the condo everything was just done when it was supposed to be done.
If you have money then you don't need to expand much mental energy to find providers. Just use your neighbor's providers who you think do a good job or ask friends (you can see the results). Often providers solicit the neighbors with their fliers or even visits to the door when they come in to work on neighbor's homes. The only time one must spend significant mental energy to the point of pain, is when money is really tight and you need to find the best deal, afraid to overpay even by a little, and try to find the best bang for your buck.
The reality with condo associations is that they won't always find the best providers of services either. They can get scammed or overcharged just like private home owners, and you won't even be aware of it, you just realize you are paying more in maintenance fees that you have to. Some corruption is also possible where decision makers (condo board) make contracts with their relatives or those they know, or get kickbacks. Not sure how frequent the latter situation is. But the fact that condo associations can overpay for mediocre services doesn't go away.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:IMO "yard maintenance" it's an excuse to ditch boring suburbia for the more urban fun walkable areas and feel young again.When people are no longer tied to school districts they gladly go back to the lifestyle they had before kids. I am not buying that whole "being tired of yard maintenance" when people literally desire to live in SFHs and do this for decades and manage to pay for it or do it themselves. They don't suddenly get tired of having private outdoor spaces, not sharing walls with others, easy parking, not smelling other people cooking/smoking, etc. They either never liked suburban lifestyle in the first place but felt like they had to give their kids this experience, or they were too broke to outsource any yard/home maintenance in the first place, had a rundown property, they felt bad about, or barely afforded their house (house poor).
These are the main reasons people go to condos.
Even if you had money to outsource these things there’s still the mental energy of finding the people to do it, monitoring their work, staying on the schedule etc. meanwhile when I lived in the condo everything was just done when it was supposed to be done.
Anonymous wrote:IMO "yard maintenance" it's an excuse to ditch boring suburbia for the more urban fun walkable areas and feel young again.When people are no longer tied to school districts they gladly go back to the lifestyle they had before kids. I am not buying that whole "being tired of yard maintenance" when people literally desire to live in SFHs and do this for decades and manage to pay for it or do it themselves. They don't suddenly get tired of having private outdoor spaces, not sharing walls with others, easy parking, not smelling other people cooking/smoking, etc. They either never liked suburban lifestyle in the first place but felt like they had to give their kids this experience, or they were too broke to outsource any yard/home maintenance in the first place, had a rundown property, they felt bad about, or barely afforded their house (house poor).
These are the main reasons people go to condos.
Anonymous wrote:Less maintenance headaches; usually better located, more walkable, and better commute; some people don't need a lot of space with a ton of frivolous purchases
Anonymous wrote:You think I want to mow lawn? Ha!
When people are no longer tied to school districts they gladly go back to the lifestyle they had before kids. I am not buying that whole "being tired of yard maintenance" when people literally desire to live in SFHs and do this for decades and manage to pay for it or do it themselves. They don't suddenly get tired of having private outdoor spaces, not sharing walls with others, easy parking, not smelling other people cooking/smoking, etc. They either never liked suburban lifestyle in the first place but felt like they had to give their kids this experience, or they were too broke to outsource any yard/home maintenance in the first place, had a rundown property, they felt bad about, or barely afforded their house (house poor).
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I like condos at times when the math is right. If you bought a well-managed DC condo in 2020 at 3% rates, or before that and refinanced at low rates, the math might work.
I just don’t understand the math if you buy a condo here in 2026. You could rent an identical unit in a DC condo building for often $1-2k less than buying per month. You rent and invest the difference that’s a massive return in favor of renting. Plus appreciation has completely stalled out with many DC condos selling for barely more than they were bought a decade ago, so you’re not counting on appreciation.
I get the perks of condo living, but right now the math says rent a condo from an individual owner, not buy.
I live in a lovely condo building. I have owned here, bought in 2008 and sold in 2019. Right now, I'm renting a 3rd unit. Nobody has kicked me out. I have opted to move every time.
I cannot buy and won't buy for several reasons: math, got to move for schools in 6 years, and I don't want to be stuck with loud neighbors. Been able to get my rent down, because I'm willing to move. Ofcourse my money is invested. Wouldn't sell any stock for a condo.
Can't buy top floor, because roof leaks, but I do enjoy renting it.
Owning would have been fine if I had bought bigger unit in 2008.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Live in one and grew up in one and always lived in one.
Condos are convenient: my family traveled a lot so it was very easy to turn the key and just leave and never have to worry about maintenance.
Even in a townhouse you have to worry about the backyard, what to do with trash, security of the place etc.
Condos fill a niche and aren't for everyone but if you routinely travel and want something in a good location then they work.
Also space wise, if you purchase a larger sized one (which you should if you're a family) they really don't feel smaller than a house and it's all one floor living which makes it so much easier.
+1 on condo living and I can always find them at a discount every time I move and put the difference into the market.
If you leave for a long period of time, you still have to check on your condo, or have someone check on it. Apartments can get damaged by neighbors sharing ceiling and walls, flooding is especially common. Also window damage, water coming from window insulation breaking, pest infestation you may not be aware of, that can come from neighbors, etc. A condo isn't frozen it time just because you lock the door.
Thanks for this input as I've often considered "lock and leave" part of the appeal and need to be thinking realistically. How about mail at a condo?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Live in one and grew up in one and always lived in one.
Condos are convenient: my family traveled a lot so it was very easy to turn the key and just leave and never have to worry about maintenance.
Even in a townhouse you have to worry about the backyard, what to do with trash, security of the place etc.
Condos fill a niche and aren't for everyone but if you routinely travel and want something in a good location then they work.
Also space wise, if you purchase a larger sized one (which you should if you're a family) they really don't feel smaller than a house and it's all one floor living which makes it so much easier.
+1 on condo living and I can always find them at a discount every time I move and put the difference into the market.
If you leave for a long period of time, you still have to check on your condo, or have someone check on it. Apartments can get damaged by neighbors sharing ceiling and walls, flooding is especially common. Also window damage, water coming from window insulation breaking, pest infestation you may not be aware of, that can come from neighbors, etc. A condo isn't frozen it time just because you lock the door.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Live in one and grew up in one and always lived in one.
Condos are convenient: my family traveled a lot so it was very easy to turn the key and just leave and never have to worry about maintenance.
Even in a townhouse you have to worry about the backyard, what to do with trash, security of the place etc.
Condos fill a niche and aren't for everyone but if you routinely travel and want something in a good location then they work.
Also space wise, if you purchase a larger sized one (which you should if you're a family) they really don't feel smaller than a house and it's all one floor living which makes it so much easier.
+1 on condo living and I can always find them at a discount every time I move and put the difference into the market.
+1 this is one of the reasons we're looking at a condo. We are planning to travel a lot and just want to be able to lockup and go.
Plus:
- no more yard maintenance. We have a huge yard. It was great when the kids were young, but they are now in college, and we don't want to deal with yard maintenance anymore
- I do want access to a pool and gym in the complex. I hate the idea of driving to the gym.
- I do want some walkability.
I'm also ok with < ~$700 for the amenities and convenience.