My kid loves Michigan and is thriving there.They are top5% of their class and have already had great opportunities.

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Anonymous wrote:For engineering at Berkeley or Michigan, yes. Otherwise, you're probably objectively overpaying--but whether it's still "worth it" to you is a personal question.

This is truly the dumbest thing I have read on here. The curriculum for engineering is essentially the same across all schools. One of the best engineers in my PhD program got his undergraduate degree at JMU. He was far brighter and more creative than the guy with a undergrad from MIT. The rankings mean something for graduate school, not undergraduate.

lol give me break

Anonymous wrote:For engineering at Berkeley or Michigan, yes. Otherwise, you're probably objectively overpaying--but whether it's still "worth it" to you is a personal question.

This is truly the dumbest thing I have read on here. The curriculum for engineering is essentially the same across all schools. One of the best engineers in my PhD program got his undergraduate degree at JMU. He was far brighter and more creative than the guy with a undergrad from MIT. The rankings mean something for graduate school, not undergraduate.

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy town, 85k average now for most, UNC is low 70s. Hard to believe it would be worth it but I guess they cater to rich people.

Anybody have positive outcomes justifying these costs? Or just hardcore legacies or prestige chasing parents?

Top publics are as good as many top privates. Period.

Better in many cases.

True.

All R1 institutions are the same IMHO.

Anonymous wrote:Michigan is worth it if your kid is in the top 20% at Ross, Engineering or Ford and gets a $75,000+ job at graduation.

My 2025 oos UM grad made $80k this year and wasn’t in business or engineering, if that’s the criteria we’re going by.

Anonymous wrote:OOS public school is never worth it. You are paying to subsidize in-state tuition.

And if you’re full-pay at a private, you are paying to subsidize the need-based aid recipients. Full-payers get screwed no matter where they go, other than their in-state public.

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Anonymous wrote:In this region, both UVA and UMD are excellent public schools. 100% not worth it to pay OOS tuition for another flagship public school. If choice is between UMD and UMich OOS, then makes zero sense to go with UMich unless you're swimming in cash.

UMD is not in the same league as Mich.
Mich OOS over Uva instate depending on field is debatable
Mich over UMD wins every time

UMD is quite literally in the same league as UM.

“Literally” is doing all the work in that sentence.

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Anonymous wrote:In this region, both UVA and UMD are excellent public schools. 100% not worth it to pay OOS tuition for another flagship public school. If choice is between UMD and UMich OOS, then makes zero sense to go with UMich unless you're swimming in cash.

UMD is not in the same league as Mich.
Mich OOS over Uva instate depending on field is debatable
Mich over UMD wins every time

UMD is quite literally in the same league as UM.

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Anonymous wrote:Out here in CA, I appreciate our UCs, but I wouldn't pay OOS for any large public over a private. If your kid can get into these schools OOS, surely there is a more attentive private alternative.

We know many into UCB OOS or UVA OOS who were shut out of all ivy and T15 private. The alternative to UCB or Uva oos would have been NYU or similar. NYU at 100k is not worth the extra $ over UCB and UVa oos 85-90k. Ivies are 90-95 and worth it but it is very hard to get in

NYU and similar are not better than these schools for even money, notwithstanding the person who keeps saying they would be more “attentive.”

Anonymous wrote:In this region, both UVA and UMD are excellent public schools. 100% not worth it to pay OOS tuition for another flagship public school. If choice is between UMD and UMich OOS, then makes zero sense to go with UMich unless you're swimming in cash.

UMD is not in the same league as Mich.
Mich OOS over Uva instate depending on field is debatable
Mich over UMD wins every time

Anonymous wrote:Out here in CA, I appreciate our UCs, but I wouldn't pay OOS for any large public over a private. If your kid can get into these schools OOS, surely there is a more attentive private alternative.

We know many into UCB OOS or UVA OOS who were shut out of all ivy and T15 private. The alternative to UCB or Uva oos would have been NYU or similar. NYU at 100k is not worth the extra $ over UCB and UVa oos 85-90k. Ivies are 90-95 and worth it but it is very hard to get in

In this region, both UVA and UMD are excellent public schools. 100% not worth it to pay OOS tuition for another flagship public school. If choice is between UMD and UMich OOS, then makes zero sense to go with UMich unless you're swimming in cash.

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy town, 85k average now for most, UNC is low 70s. Hard to believe it would be worth it but I guess they cater to rich people.

Anybody have positive outcomes justifying these costs? Or just hardcore legacies or prestige chasing parents?

Top publics are as good as many top privates. Period.

Better in many cases.

Anonymous wrote:Crazy town, 85k average now for most, UNC is low 70s. Hard to believe it would be worth it but I guess they cater to rich people.

Anybody have positive outcomes justifying these costs? Or just hardcore legacies or prestige chasing parents?

Top publics are as good as many top privates. Period.