Brent hemorrhages 4th graders. But good for you guys for concentrating on what really matters.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Only 13 kids stayed for 5th grade at Brent. Anyone pretending the current 4th/5th grade combo has not been a failure is crazy. What is that principal thinking?

a huge number of the rising 5th graders got into BASIS.

21, to be precise. Wow.

Yu Ying sent 10 to BASIS. All other schools n<10.

Also, Brent is in a renovation so kids are being bussed pretty far away (maybe Columbia Heights?) for a couple of years. That may have led to an even bigger number of kids who jumped ship.

They lost a significant number of kids at every grade level, which is different from previous years. Their overall enrollment is down this year, certainly in large part to the renovation.

Numbers don't lie. Some certainly attributable to renovation but JOW also in swing space this year.

Brent: 13 of 66 stayed for 5th 19.6%
Maury: 67 of 92 stayed for 5th 72.8%
JOW: 42 of 60 stayed for 5th 70%
Tyler: 55 of 72 stayed for 5th 76.4%
Amidon: 47 of 65 stayed for 5th 72.3%
Watkins: 75 of 98 stayed for 5th 76.5%
Payne: 36 of 48 stayed for 5th 75%
Ludlow: 48 of 77 stayed for 5th 62.3%

These numbers are wrong per SY24-25 audited enrollment for 4th grade.

4th to 5th numbers for Jefferson feeders SY24-25 to SY25-26:

Amidon-Bowen: 47 of 54 (82%)
Brent: 13 of 60 (22%)
Chisholm: 55 of 65 (85%)
Van Ness: 35 of 50 (70%)

4th to 5th numbers for Eastern feeders with most comparable demographics SY24-25 to SY25-26:

Ludlow-Taylor: 48 of 65 (74%)
Maury: 67 of 89 (75%)

Actual 4th to 5th numbers for Brent in recent years:

SY22-23 to SY23-24: 25 of 59 (42%)
SY23-24 to SY24-25: 24 of 63 (38%)

This poster is correct and matches the percentages Pathways gives (see LT at 74% vs 62%). The other numbers are just a poster misinterpreting the data.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Only 13 kids stayed for 5th grade at Brent. Anyone pretending the current 4th/5th grade combo has not been a failure is crazy. What is that principal thinking?

a huge number of the rising 5th graders got into BASIS.

21, to be precise. Wow.

Yu Ying sent 10 to BASIS. All other schools n<10.

Also, Brent is in a renovation so kids are being bussed pretty far away (maybe Columbia Heights?) for a couple of years. That may have led to an even bigger number of kids who jumped ship.

They lost a significant number of kids at every grade level, which is different from previous years. Their overall enrollment is down this year, certainly in large part to the renovation.

Numbers don't lie. Some certainly attributable to renovation but JOW also in swing space this year.

Brent: 13 of 66 stayed for 5th 19.6%
Maury: 67 of 92 stayed for 5th 72.8%
JOW: 42 of 60 stayed for 5th 70%
Tyler: 55 of 72 stayed for 5th 76.4%
Amidon: 47 of 65 stayed for 5th 72.3%
Watkins: 75 of 98 stayed for 5th 76.5%
Payne: 36 of 48 stayed for 5th 75%
Ludlow: 48 of 77 stayed for 5th 62.3%

That LT number is way off. That grade was tiny. Definitely didn’t have over 25 kids in a class… more like 18. Where did you get the denominators from?

From the Edscape pathways data. Are you suggesting you know more than DC does? According to the data there were 77 kids in 4th grade in 2024-5. Of those, 48 stayed for 5th grade at Ludlow. Just as I said i my post.

Maybe, just maybe, you are confused?

I am confident that you are either misreading the data or the data is wrong, because my daughter is in that class and in the current 5th grade and I absolutely assure you that there were not 77 4th graders at LT last year. Feel free to check the audited OSSE data, which will confirm that. There were 65.

And I am confident that you couldn't be bothered to look at the Pathways data because it would have taken you 15 seconds to confirm the data reported.

So actually, you’re completely wrong. If you click on the 48 LT students who went from 4th to 5th, it says “73.79% of students in sending grade of school.” Obviously then, Pathways has already done the calculation you are doing, but it’s actually yours that doesn’t math. In other words, *you* are misinterpreting student count since your figure is massively off. It’s sad for you that you are so rude and so wrong all at once.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Only 13 kids stayed for 5th grade at Brent. Anyone pretending the current 4th/5th grade combo has not been a failure is crazy. What is that principal thinking?

a huge number of the rising 5th graders got into BASIS.

21, to be precise. Wow.

Yu Ying sent 10 to BASIS. All other schools n<10.

Also, Brent is in a renovation so kids are being bussed pretty far away (maybe Columbia Heights?) for a couple of years. That may have led to an even bigger number of kids who jumped ship.

They lost a significant number of kids at every grade level, which is different from previous years. Their overall enrollment is down this year, certainly in large part to the renovation.

Numbers don't lie. Some certainly attributable to renovation but JOW also in swing space this year.

Brent: 13 of 66 stayed for 5th 19.6%
Maury: 67 of 92 stayed for 5th 72.8%
JOW: 42 of 60 stayed for 5th 70%
Tyler: 55 of 72 stayed for 5th 76.4%
Amidon: 47 of 65 stayed for 5th 72.3%
Watkins: 75 of 98 stayed for 5th 76.5%
Payne: 36 of 48 stayed for 5th 75%
Ludlow: 48 of 77 stayed for 5th 62.3%

That LT number is way off. That grade was tiny. Definitely didn’t have over 25 kids in a class… more like 18. Where did you get the denominators from?

From the Edscape pathways data. Are you suggesting you know more than DC does? According to the data there were 77 kids in 4th grade in 2024-5. Of those, 48 stayed for 5th grade at Ludlow. Just as I said i my post.

Maybe, just maybe, you are confused?

I am confident that you are either misreading the data or the data is wrong, because my daughter is in that class and in the current 5th grade and I absolutely assure you that there were not 77 4th graders at LT last year. Feel free to check the audited OSSE data, which will confirm that. There were 65.

And I am confident that you couldn't be bothered to look at the Pathways data because it would have taken you 15 seconds to confirm the data reported.

Teo posters in the thread clearly explain that the Pathways data is either wrong or not intended to capture the same figure you are using it for (i.e., that student count is intended to mean something other than how many kids were in the grade in 24-25; indeed, given that a different number of kids were in all of these grades in 25-26 and yet there is only one “student count” given, I suspect it is just that you are misinterpreting the meaning of student count.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Only 13 kids stayed for 5th grade at Brent. Anyone pretending the current 4th/5th grade combo has not been a failure is crazy. What is that principal thinking?

a huge number of the rising 5th graders got into BASIS.

21, to be precise. Wow.

Yu Ying sent 10 to BASIS. All other schools n<10.

Also, Brent is in a renovation so kids are being bussed pretty far away (maybe Columbia Heights?) for a couple of years. That may have led to an even bigger number of kids who jumped ship.

They lost a significant number of kids at every grade level, which is different from previous years. Their overall enrollment is down this year, certainly in large part to the renovation.

Numbers don't lie. Some certainly attributable to renovation but JOW also in swing space this year.

Brent: 13 of 66 stayed for 5th 19.6%
Maury: 67 of 92 stayed for 5th 72.8%
JOW: 42 of 60 stayed for 5th 70%
Tyler: 55 of 72 stayed for 5th 76.4%
Amidon: 47 of 65 stayed for 5th 72.3%
Watkins: 75 of 98 stayed for 5th 76.5%
Payne: 36 of 48 stayed for 5th 75%
Ludlow: 48 of 77 stayed for 5th 62.3%

That LT number is way off. That grade was tiny. Definitely didn’t have over 25 kids in a class… more like 18. Where did you get the denominators from?

From the Edscape pathways data. Are you suggesting you know more than DC does? According to the data there were 77 kids in 4th grade in 2024-5. Of those, 48 stayed for 5th grade at Ludlow. Just as I said i my post.

Maybe, just maybe, you are confused?

I am confident that you are either misreading the data or the data is wrong, because my daughter is in that class and in the current 5th grade and I absolutely assure you that there were not 77 4th graders at LT last year. Feel free to check the audited OSSE data, which will confirm that. There were 65.

And I am confident that you couldn't be bothered to look at the Pathways data because it would have taken you 15 seconds to confirm the data reported.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Only 13 kids stayed for 5th grade at Brent. Anyone pretending the current 4th/5th grade combo has not been a failure is crazy. What is that principal thinking?

a huge number of the rising 5th graders got into BASIS.

21, to be precise. Wow.

Yu Ying sent 10 to BASIS. All other schools n<10.

Also, Brent is in a renovation so kids are being bussed pretty far away (maybe Columbia Heights?) for a couple of years. That may have led to an even bigger number of kids who jumped ship.

They lost a significant number of kids at every grade level, which is different from previous years. Their overall enrollment is down this year, certainly in large part to the renovation.

Numbers don't lie. Some certainly attributable to renovation but JOW also in swing space this year.

Brent: 13 of 66 stayed for 5th 19.6%
Maury: 67 of 92 stayed for 5th 72.8%
JOW: 42 of 60 stayed for 5th 70%
Tyler: 55 of 72 stayed for 5th 76.4%
Amidon: 47 of 65 stayed for 5th 72.3%
Watkins: 75 of 98 stayed for 5th 76.5%
Payne: 36 of 48 stayed for 5th 75%
Ludlow: 48 of 77 stayed for 5th 62.3%

That LT number is way off. That grade was tiny. Definitely didn’t have over 25 kids in a class… more like 18. Where did you get the denominators from?

From the Edscape pathways data. Are you suggesting you know more than DC does? According to the data there were 77 kids in 4th grade in 2024-5. Of those, 48 stayed for 5th grade at Ludlow. Just as I said i my post.

Maybe, just maybe, you are confused?

I am confident that you are either misreading the data or the data is wrong, because my daughter is in that class and in the current 5th grade and I absolutely assure you that there were not 77 4th graders at LT last year. Feel free to check the audited OSSE data, which will confirm that. There were 65.

The Pathways numbers don’t match the OSSE audited numbers for many schools. But they actually explicitly say those are the numbers they used. Either that number represents something else — all students in that grade in either half of the data set (so looking forward and backwards, counting kids who left at the end of 4th and who came at the beginning of 5th as if they are all one class) — or the data is just wrong. The OSSE audit data is literally the official source cited and the numbers don’t match, so something is definitely up.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Only 13 kids stayed for 5th grade at Brent. Anyone pretending the current 4th/5th grade combo has not been a failure is crazy. What is that principal thinking?

a huge number of the rising 5th graders got into BASIS.

21, to be precise. Wow.

Yu Ying sent 10 to BASIS. All other schools n<10.

Also, Brent is in a renovation so kids are being bussed pretty far away (maybe Columbia Heights?) for a couple of years. That may have led to an even bigger number of kids who jumped ship.

They lost a significant number of kids at every grade level, which is different from previous years. Their overall enrollment is down this year, certainly in large part to the renovation.

Numbers don't lie. Some certainly attributable to renovation but JOW also in swing space this year.

Brent: 13 of 66 stayed for 5th 19.6%
Maury: 67 of 92 stayed for 5th 72.8%
JOW: 42 of 60 stayed for 5th 70%
Tyler: 55 of 72 stayed for 5th 76.4%
Amidon: 47 of 65 stayed for 5th 72.3%
Watkins: 75 of 98 stayed for 5th 76.5%
Payne: 36 of 48 stayed for 5th 75%
Ludlow: 48 of 77 stayed for 5th 62.3%

That LT number is way off. That grade was tiny. Definitely didn’t have over 25 kids in a class… more like 18. Where did you get the denominators from?

From the Edscape pathways data. Are you suggesting you know more than DC does? According to the data there were 77 kids in 4th grade in 2024-5. Of those, 48 stayed for 5th grade at Ludlow. Just as I said i my post.

Maybe, just maybe, you are confused?

I am confident that you are either misreading the data or the data is wrong, because my daughter is in that class and in the current 5th grade and I absolutely assure you that there were not 77 4th graders at LT last year. Feel free to check the audited OSSE data, which will confirm that. There were 65.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Only 13 kids stayed for 5th grade at Brent. Anyone pretending the current 4th/5th grade combo has not been a failure is crazy. What is that principal thinking?

a huge number of the rising 5th graders got into BASIS.

21, to be precise. Wow.

Yu Ying sent 10 to BASIS. All other schools n<10.

Also, Brent is in a renovation so kids are being bussed pretty far away (maybe Columbia Heights?) for a couple of years. That may have led to an even bigger number of kids who jumped ship.

They lost a significant number of kids at every grade level, which is different from previous years. Their overall enrollment is down this year, certainly in large part to the renovation.

Numbers don't lie. Some certainly attributable to renovation but JOW also in swing space this year.

Brent: 13 of 66 stayed for 5th 19.6%
Maury: 67 of 92 stayed for 5th 72.8%
JOW: 42 of 60 stayed for 5th 70%
Tyler: 55 of 72 stayed for 5th 76.4%
Amidon: 47 of 65 stayed for 5th 72.3%
Watkins: 75 of 98 stayed for 5th 76.5%
Payne: 36 of 48 stayed for 5th 75%
Ludlow: 48 of 77 stayed for 5th 62.3%

These numbers are wrong per SY24-25 audited enrollment for 4th grade.

4th to 5th numbers for Jefferson feeders SY24-25 to SY25-26:

Amidon-Bowen: 47 of 54 (82%)
Brent: 13 of 60 (22%)
Chisholm: 55 of 65 (85%)
Van Ness: 35 of 50 (70%)

4th to 5th numbers for Eastern feeders with most comparable demographics SY24-25 to SY25-26:

Ludlow-Taylor: 48 of 65 (74%)
Maury: 67 of 89 (75%)

Actual 4th to 5th numbers for Brent in recent years:

SY22-23 to SY23-24: 25 of 59 (42%)
SY23-24 to SY24-25: 24 of 63 (38%)

You can't mix and match data my friend. Not how this works. The Pathways data includes a student count (click on the grade). What you've done is mix and match. Not an acceptable way to run data or do comparisons.

DCUM is filled with know it alls who don't actually know what they know. Never change.

Sorry I didn't notice this brand new field? The data note explicitly says pathways uses audited enrollment but it looks like that's not actually true. Also doesn't match enrollment data on DC Report Card.

You think comparing Brent to other schools refutes the claim that this year is an outlier for Brent. You didn't even bother looking at Brent historically. But I'm the one who doesn't know how to do comparisons.

Where did you get the idea that this was my point. I was posting same year data for Hill area ES.

But no reason we can't look at those #s for 2023-24 to 2024-25. 2025-26 in parenthesis). Seems like while not as bad, Brent still has lowest retention rate on Hill.

Brent: 24 of 55 stayed for 5th 43.6% (19.6%)
Maury:42 of 83 stayed for 5th 50.6% (72.8%)
JOW: 43 of 55 stayed for 5th 78.1% (70%)
Tyler: 56 of 71 stayed for 5th 78.8% (76.4%)
Amidon: 23 of 41 stayed for 5th 56.1% (72.3%)
Watkins: 69 of 87 stayed for 5th 79.3% (76.5%)
Payne: 43 of 55 stayed for 5th 78.2% (75%)
Ludlow: 36 of 57 stayed for 5th 63.1 (62.3%)

Not as bad? It's more than double the percent of kids staying!

Pretty obvious that Brent is always an outlier AND that this year is particularly unusual, probably driven by swing space.