Look at how much DCUM looks down on Cornell, and how frequently in-state acceptance to CALS is cited as the reason why.

People are always going to be dismissive of its state flagship. It is usually because the state flagship is so large so of course they aren't going to have as high of an SAT average or low acceptance as others more selective. Or they might lean into mega pay for play sports. So of course people will be dismissive of the Rutgers and Alabamas and Iowas and Michigans of the world that are in their back yard.

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Anonymous wrote:It is annoying. For UMD we have people at the same time:
1. complaining that it's too hard to get into
2. putting down kids that choose to attend

Which is it?

Seriously which one is it?!

I was guilty of this until DC became interested in engineering and I learned UMD is top 20 engineering and (for us) instate.

I think it’s easy to judge because you’re “supposed” to want to go away for college and “supposed” to shoot for the best school you can get into. So I used to think of UMD as settling. Now I know it’s actually a good school

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Anonymous wrote:Schools like UGA, Purdue, UW Madison, and UIUC are extremely hard to get into now. I know people with straight As and 1500+ SAT scores who got denied from these places, even in-state. For engineering, UIUC has a sub 10% acceptance rate. You have to be a top student to get into these state flagships

Sure but that does not change the fact that they are safeties for the very top students, just as UVA is for the top few students in each high school in state.

NP. Ah, good old DCUM intentionally and hyperbolically misconstruing "safety" to stir the pot. You know full well they are not "safeties." You want to call them targets, go ahead I guess, but "safety" would be foolish.

I think if you’re in the top 5-10% at TJ, then UVA is a safety!

Anonymous wrote:It is annoying. For UMD we have people at the same time:
1. complaining that it's too hard to get into
2. putting down kids that choose to attend

Which is it?

Seriously which one is it?!

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Anonymous wrote:Schools like UGA, Purdue, UW Madison, and UIUC are extremely hard to get into now. I know people with straight As and 1500+ SAT scores who got denied from these places, even in-state. For engineering, UIUC has a sub 10% acceptance rate. You have to be a top student to get into these state flagships

Sure but that does not change the fact that they are safeties for the very top students, just as UVA is for the top few students in each high school in state.

NP. Ah, good old DCUM intentionally and hyperbolically misconstruing "safety" to stir the pot. You know full well they are not "safeties." You want to call them targets, go ahead I guess, but "safety" would be foolish.

Less prestigious than what? Are you denying they’re less prestigious than MIT, Stanford?

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Anonymous wrote:MAybe easier to get into than "elite" schools but much harder work once in, and then that is the payoff.

I'd hire a Purdue engineering grad over most other engineering school grads in the top ten, excepting probably MIT, Caltech, Stanford CS (but not meche or cheme) and maybe...Princeton hard core engineering. Though maybe.

What role do hire for where you hire majors in CS, MechE (but not at Stanford), and ChemE (but not at Stanford)?

Why not Cornell for CS?

Top ChemE Undergrad USNWR
1. MIT
2. Georgia Tech
3. UC Berkely
6. Stanford

CS
1.MIT
2.CMU
3. UC Berkelly
4. Georgia Tech
7. Cornell

None of those are UW, UIUC, UGA, Purdue or other schools which are the subject of this thread.

correct.

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Anonymous wrote:MAybe easier to get into than "elite" schools but much harder work once in, and then that is the payoff.

I'd hire a Purdue engineering grad over most other engineering school grads in the top ten, excepting probably MIT, Caltech, Stanford CS (but not meche or cheme) and maybe...Princeton hard core engineering. Though maybe.

The copium comes out.

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Anonymous wrote:Schools like UGA, Purdue, UW Madison, and UIUC are extremely hard to get into now. I know people with straight As and 1500+ SAT scores who got denied from these places, even in-state. For engineering, UIUC has a sub 10% acceptance rate. You have to be a top student to get into these state flagships

Sure but that does not change the fact that they are safeties for the very top students, just as UVA is for the top few students in each high school in state.

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Anonymous wrote:Schools like UGA, Purdue, UW Madison, and UIUC are extremely hard to get into now. I know people with straight As and 1500+ SAT scores who got denied from these places, even in-state. For engineering, UIUC has a sub 10% acceptance rate. You have to be a top student to get into these state flagships

Not true: only for CS.

UW Madison is a great school that’s surprisingly easy to get into. UIUC too, if not CS. UGA is a tier or two below the others.

These schools are not hard to get into except for engineering at Purdue and UIUC, and even then Purdue is easier.

+1. "Not hard to get into" as compared with trying to land a t20. I have an engineering kid at UW–Madison OOS who is having a great time learning/growing but I must admit that the school isn't too hard to get into compared to these crazy single-digit acceptance rate schools.

I think the cutoff happens at T30: there seems to be a cliff at that point — for a normal high stats kid.

What schools are T30? NYU and Wisconsin? USC?

5 Public schools in top ten computer science including UIUC, GT, Berkeley, Washington …

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/computer-science-overall?myCollege=computer-science&_sort=myCollege&_sortDirection=asc

Overall, many top 40

No one cares about computer science.

lol poor thing

People in the Northeast usually can’t grasp that many of the top students in other areas of the country are perfectly happy to attend their state flagship.

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Anonymous wrote:Schools like UGA, Purdue, UW Madison, and UIUC are extremely hard to get into now. I know people with straight As and 1500+ SAT scores who got denied from these places, even in-state. For engineering, UIUC has a sub 10% acceptance rate. You have to be a top student to get into these state flagships

Not true: only for CS.

UW Madison is a great school that’s surprisingly easy to get into. UIUC too, if not CS. UGA is a tier or two below the others.

These schools are not hard to get into except for engineering at Purdue and UIUC, and even then Purdue is easier.

+1. "Not hard to get into" as compared with trying to land a t20. I have an engineering kid at UW–Madison OOS who is having a great time learning/growing but I must admit that the school isn't too hard to get into compared to these crazy single-digit acceptance rate schools.

I think the cutoff happens at T30: there seems to be a cliff at that point — for a normal high stats kid.

What schools are T30? NYU and Wisconsin? USC?

5 Public schools in top ten computer science including UIUC, GT, Berkeley, Washington …

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/computer-science-overall?myCollege=computer-science&_sort=myCollege&_sortDirection=asc

Overall, many top 40

No one cares about computer science.

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Anonymous wrote:Schools like UGA, Purdue, UW Madison, and UIUC are extremely hard to get into now. I know people with straight As and 1500+ SAT scores who got denied from these places, even in-state. For engineering, UIUC has a sub 10% acceptance rate. You have to be a top student to get into these state flagships

Not true: only for CS.

UW Madison is a great school that’s surprisingly easy to get into. UIUC too, if not CS. UGA is a tier or two below the others.

These schools are not hard to get into except for engineering at Purdue and UIUC, and even then Purdue is easier.

+1. "Not hard to get into" as compared with trying to land a t20. I have an engineering kid at UW–Madison OOS who is having a great time learning/growing but I must admit that the school isn't too hard to get into compared to these crazy single-digit acceptance rate schools.

I think the cutoff happens at T30: there seems to be a cliff at that point — for a normal high stats kid.

What schools are T30? NYU and Wisconsin? USC?

No, NYU and Wisconsin are 30-40. They’re easy for normal high stats kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Schools like UGA, Purdue, UW Madison, and UIUC are extremely hard to get into now. I know people with straight As and 1500+ SAT scores who got denied from these places, even in-state. For engineering, UIUC has a sub 10% acceptance rate. You have to be a top student to get into these state flagships

Not true: only for CS.

UW Madison is a great school that’s surprisingly easy to get into. UIUC too, if not CS. UGA is a tier or two below the others.

These schools are not hard to get into except for engineering at Purdue and UIUC, and even then Purdue is easier.

+1. "Not hard to get into" as compared with trying to land a t20. I have an engineering kid at UW–Madison OOS who is having a great time learning/growing but I must admit that the school isn't too hard to get into compared to these crazy single-digit acceptance rate schools.

I think the cutoff happens at T30: there seems to be a cliff at that point — for a normal high stats kid.

What schools are T30? NYU and Wisconsin? USC?

5 Public schools in top ten computer science including UIUC, GT, Berkeley, Washington …

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/computer-science-overall?myCollege=computer-science&_sort=myCollege&_sortDirection=asc

Overall, many top 40