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Anonymous wrote:You should see all the women at my office, in a while collar environment. Holy hell....very catty with the knives out always.

I have no doubt things are tense and ruthless there, I've met many professionals I would not want to work with as their norms are shocking. Many men are also catty, to a scary degree.

Men can be awful, but I think one of the reasons women notice/complain about the behavior of other women in the office more these days is because men actually behave so much better than they once did. Even compared to 10-15 years ago, men have really gotten the message that you need to be respectful and non-discriminatory towards women. So even men who might be inclined to be catty or gossipy seem to avoid it, at least not in a way that targets women in the office.

But women haven't been sent this message, and as a result I think they feel more freedom to be awful to other women in the office. So in 2026, as a woman in a professional role, if you're going to have a really negative experience with a coworker, I think it's more likely to be another woman. Just because the men have had it trained out of them.

Anonymous wrote:The lack of solidarity amongst white women has always baffled me. I read that most white women voted for Trump because they resent other white women who don't support traditional gender norms. Having a career or degree is offensive.

Given that white women are the largest voting bloc in America, we are all at the mercy of this crazy civil war.

+1 this this this. It's wild. Would love to read some actual sociological literature on this. Not only are there geographic, economic, educational, and political fractures between white women, but also huge age-based ones - I think it's because we've been gradually migrating out of the "just find a husband to support you!" messaging years (seeing now that ... that's not really a viable plan) and there are also roiling intergenerational tensions as well

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Anonymous wrote:Women who like to be absolutely horrific and abusive toward other women gravitate toward certain jobs. Head of HR or Chief People Officer or whatever they call it now, for one.

I've definitely noticed that half the people who are in jobs that are in a people helping role are actually the least kind people. They are in those jobs because they don't have natural balance and empathy themselves but want to be seen as good and kind by others. They tend to be in those types of jobs that require the least amount of work. Small volunteer jobs, HR, therapist, etc.

I have a married male relative who went to a female therapist who openly propositioned him. She was one of those rah-rah Girl Power types.

My ex-husband’s therapist did that. And she encouraged an affair.

Anonymous wrote:I believe this is something our misogynistic society has forced everyone to believe. In my life, 50% of my bosses were male and 50% female. My female bosses were excellent, supportive mentors who went to bat for me daily. My male bosses found “playful” was to denigrate me, ignore achievements, be unconcerned with my development. My female friends are all great, my male friends turns out all just wanted to f me.
Enough of this trope. Patriarchy is dying, let’s let the false and hateful narratives die with it.

My best bosses have been women too, though I’ve had great male bosses. My worst bosses were all men save one. My female and male friends are all great, but I have good instincts when it comes to people and keep my circle small.

I agree with you that misogyny drives a lot of the narrative that all women bosses are backstabbing manipulators, same way that there is a myth that girl teens are always more difficult than boys.

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Anonymous wrote:What an odd thing to write.

+1

What's up with the women-hating?

With all the pedophiles mostly being men and the Epstein Files in the news, it's really weird to have this thread right now.

Ghislaine Maxwell isn't a man.

And, she is the only one serving time.

Fancy that. 🤔

Well, I tend to think the pimps are worse than the johns so this seems right.

yep, and the law generally agrees with you. And the pimps were Ghislane and Epstein (who would have done more time than her had he not killed himself).

I have worked in all types of work environments and I find duplicitous backstabbing behaviors pretty evenly distributed. Men are actually much better at it frankly.

There is certain type of toxicity that can come from primarily female environments but there are just as many male versions of it.

So all things held equal it’s about even but in different ways. Although given that women are like 99x less likely to assault, rape, or murder me then I can handle some petty comments.

You have to find the right women. Some are awful, catty, backstabbing and out for their own gain.

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Anonymous wrote:What an odd thing to write.

+1

What's up with the women-hating?

With all the pedophiles mostly being men and the Epstein Files in the news, it's really weird to have this thread right now.

Ghislaine Maxwell isn't a man.

And, she is the only one serving time.

Fancy that. 🤔

Well, I tend to think the pimps are worse than the johns so this seems right.

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Anonymous wrote:You should see all the women at my office, in a while collar environment. Holy hell....very catty with the knives out always.

I have no doubt things are tense and ruthless there, I've met many professionals I would not want to work with as their norms are shocking. Many men are also catty, to a scary degree.

I think you have to be ruthless to succeed above a certain level in the corporate world. I’ve never met a CEO of a larger company that doesn’t have some level of ruthlessness.

Anonymous wrote:You should see all the women at my office, in a while collar environment. Holy hell....very catty with the knives out always.

I have no doubt things are tense and ruthless there, I've met many professionals I would not want to work with as their norms are shocking. Many men are also catty, to a scary degree.

Anonymous wrote:Men are awful to everyone.
Women tend to be awful to each other.

Everyone can be awful, including those who have been abused and those who have been entitled and spoiled. My 8th grader came home with a story of girls in her grade bullying a 6th grade boy minding his own business.
Still, I get the lashing out when members of a group hurt you (whites, women, the poor, the wealthy, cops, homeless, teenage boys, all men, all Americans...). I'm guilty of it too and have often noticed awful toxic relationships between sisters so while I'm thankful I don't have one, I need to remember there are likely just as many close sisters who don't hurt and shame each other.

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Anonymous wrote:What an odd thing to write.

+1

What's up with the women-hating?

With all the pedophiles mostly being men and the Epstein Files in the news, it's really weird to have this thread right now.

Ghislaine Maxwell isn't a man.

And, she is the only one serving time.

Fancy that. 🤔

Well, Epstein would be serving more time if he hadn't died and Ghislane was his closest conspirator.

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Anonymous wrote:What an odd thing to write.

+1

What's up with the women-hating?

With all the pedophiles mostly being men and the Epstein Files in the news, it's really weird to have this thread right now.

Ghislaine Maxwell isn't a man.

And, she is the only one serving time.

Fancy that. 🤔

Anonymous wrote:I really don't think your thoughts warranted a thread, OP. It's not gender-related. Some people are just quick to find offense, or hold grudges, or generally see the world as a zero-sum game, where if someone else has more, they feel they have less.

Stay away from such people. My mother is like this. I've always kept her at arms' length all my adult life.

But none of this is new or noteworthy, honestly.

OP sounds like the person you are describing.

DCUM is a study in how mean women can be to each other. They literally just sit on their phones trying to cause emotional damage to other people.

I think that overall, guys simply use words to communicate and convey messages. Women seem to want to comminicate feelings. Like, they use to words to make you feel an emotion that they feel. Others want to do mean sh*t to you but they don’t want you to know because they don’t want others to know how awful they are and they don’t want direct conflict. Its like asymmetrical emotional warfare.

Women can be wonderful too, of course.