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Anonymous wrote:My PCP has never once done a pap smear? I get them every 3 years at the gyn. If they're not doing the pap smear they don't even use the speculum anymore.

My mom had amajor issues caught on a first gyn visit (tumor that could have been an issue). So she took my sisters and me each when we turned 18.

I posted earlier that my friend's daughter died of cervical cancer at the age of 21. By that point, she had it for 3 or 4 years. I can't believe what I'm reading here. This should be common sense that we need to see a gyn after puberty.

I’m sorry about your friend’s daughter, but that is freakishly rare. Bowel cancer is also rare in young adults, but happens sometimes. Does that mean they should start giving colonoscopies to teenagers?

The HPV vaccine will likely mar a big difference for the generations able to get it.

You're ignoring the fact that the recommendation is to have your first gyn visit between the ages of 12-15. I get colonoscopies at the recommended age too. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.

So you think internal exams should be standard of care for non-sexually active 12 year olds?!

Since you seem very dense, let me explain it again. The initial visit isn't necessarily an internal exam. Did you even read the links? No, you just came on here with fake outrage trying to scare people.

Slow your roll, there are several of us who think you're a bit off. You were responding to a post about a 21 year old dying of cervical cancer, and implying this could have been avoided if she had gone to the gyno prior to 18. But since she was apparently asymptomatic, then without invasive internal exams, nothing would have been discovered. And you're claiming that these early exams wouldn't include internals, so the outcome would not have been different. It is just a very sad outlier of a case.

I'm the one whose friend lost her child to cervical cancer and you are talking to a different PP above. Why would you make up stuff that I never said? You're a very disturbed individual. My friend's child died, but if you think that early detection of cancer doesn't save lives, you're even dumber than I thought. I sincerely hope you are not raising a daughter.

Yes, I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to the PP above. How would going to a gyn but not having a pelvic or pap smear catch anything? It's great to have a little chat but that wouldn't actually save a life.

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Anonymous wrote:My PCP has never once done a pap smear? I get them every 3 years at the gyn. If they're not doing the pap smear they don't even use the speculum anymore.

My mom had amajor issues caught on a first gyn visit (tumor that could have been an issue). So she took my sisters and me each when we turned 18.

I posted earlier that my friend's daughter died of cervical cancer at the age of 21. By that point, she had it for 3 or 4 years. I can't believe what I'm reading here. This should be common sense that we need to see a gyn after puberty.

I’m sorry about your friend’s daughter, but that is freakishly rare. Bowel cancer is also rare in young adults, but happens sometimes. Does that mean they should start giving colonoscopies to teenagers?

The HPV vaccine will likely mar a big difference for the generations able to get it.

You're ignoring the fact that the recommendation is to have your first gyn visit between the ages of 12-15. I get colonoscopies at the recommended age too. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.

So you think internal exams should be standard of care for non-sexually active 12 year olds?!

Stop lying. Establishing care with a gynecologist doesn’t mean having an internal exam. It’s smart for girls to learn what respectful responsive care looks like, to have a relationship with a gyn that they can ask questions if for some reason they don’t want to come to you or just want additional information/reassurance. My DD had an emergent situation freshman year of college and ended up needing surgery. I was glad that she didn’t have the additional stress of having that be her first experience with a gynecologist. It was her first internal exam, but she had already had several visits. She had conversations about multiple things including what happens during an internal exam. It was a scary time but much less so than it could have been.

American schools and families do a terrible job teaching girls about their body. Everything is focused on sexual practices and almost nothing on actual health. That’s another good reason to take your DD before there are problems.

I'm the European who responded earlier in the thread and this is so very true. I went for the first time at 15, it did involve an internal exam, but I've had dental visits that were MUCH more uncomfortable. If you teach your daughters that this is just a medical exam and not a right of passage or something you do after the first time you have sex, they'd be much better off.

I wonder if the PP understands that some young girls may hear about their bodies for the very first time during these visits. IT's just lunacy not to do it.

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Anonymous wrote:My PCP has never once done a pap smear? I get them every 3 years at the gyn. If they're not doing the pap smear they don't even use the speculum anymore.

My mom had amajor issues caught on a first gyn visit (tumor that could have been an issue). So she took my sisters and me each when we turned 18.

I posted earlier that my friend's daughter died of cervical cancer at the age of 21. By that point, she had it for 3 or 4 years. I can't believe what I'm reading here. This should be common sense that we need to see a gyn after puberty.

I’m sorry about your friend’s daughter, but that is freakishly rare. Bowel cancer is also rare in young adults, but happens sometimes. Does that mean they should start giving colonoscopies to teenagers?

The HPV vaccine will likely mar a big difference for the generations able to get it.

You're ignoring the fact that the recommendation is to have your first gyn visit between the ages of 12-15. I get colonoscopies at the recommended age too. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.

So you think internal exams should be standard of care for non-sexually active 12 year olds?!

Stop lying. Establishing care with a gynecologist doesn’t mean having an internal exam. It’s smart for girls to learn what respectful responsive care looks like, to have a relationship with a gyn that they can ask questions if for some reason they don’t want to come to you or just want additional information/reassurance. My DD had an emergent situation freshman year of college and ended up needing surgery. I was glad that she didn’t have the additional stress of having that be her first experience with a gynecologist. It was her first internal exam, but she had already had several visits. She had conversations about multiple things including what happens during an internal exam. It was a scary time but much less so than it could have been.

American schools and families do a terrible job teaching girls about their body. Everything is focused on sexual practices and almost nothing on actual health. That’s another good reason to take your DD before there are problems.

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Anonymous wrote:My PCP has never once done a pap smear? I get them every 3 years at the gyn. If they're not doing the pap smear they don't even use the speculum anymore.

My mom had amajor issues caught on a first gyn visit (tumor that could have been an issue). So she took my sisters and me each when we turned 18.

I posted earlier that my friend's daughter died of cervical cancer at the age of 21. By that point, she had it for 3 or 4 years. I can't believe what I'm reading here. This should be common sense that we need to see a gyn after puberty.

I’m sorry about your friend’s daughter, but that is freakishly rare. Bowel cancer is also rare in young adults, but happens sometimes. Does that mean they should start giving colonoscopies to teenagers?

The HPV vaccine will likely mar a big difference for the generations able to get it.

You're ignoring the fact that the recommendation is to have your first gyn visit between the ages of 12-15. I get colonoscopies at the recommended age too. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.

So you think internal exams should be standard of care for non-sexually active 12 year olds?!

Since you seem very dense, let me explain it again. The initial visit isn't necessarily an internal exam. Did you even read the links? No, you just came on here with fake outrage trying to scare people.

Slow your roll, there are several of us who think you're a bit off. You were responding to a post about a 21 year old dying of cervical cancer, and implying this could have been avoided if she had gone to the gyno prior to 18. But since she was apparently asymptomatic, then without invasive internal exams, nothing would have been discovered. And you're claiming that these early exams wouldn't include internals, so the outcome would not have been different. It is just a very sad outlier of a case.

I'm the one whose friend lost her child to cervical cancer and you are talking to a different PP above. Why would you make up stuff that I never said? You're a very disturbed individual. My friend's child died, but if you think that early detection of cancer doesn't save lives, you're even dumber than I thought. I sincerely hope you are not raising a daughter.

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Anonymous wrote:My PCP has never once done a pap smear? I get them every 3 years at the gyn. If they're not doing the pap smear they don't even use the speculum anymore.

My mom had amajor issues caught on a first gyn visit (tumor that could have been an issue). So she took my sisters and me each when we turned 18.

I posted earlier that my friend's daughter died of cervical cancer at the age of 21. By that point, she had it for 3 or 4 years. I can't believe what I'm reading here. This should be common sense that we need to see a gyn after puberty.

I’m sorry about your friend’s daughter, but that is freakishly rare. Bowel cancer is also rare in young adults, but happens sometimes. Does that mean they should start giving colonoscopies to teenagers?

The HPV vaccine will likely mar a big difference for the generations able to get it.

You're ignoring the fact that the recommendation is to have your first gyn visit between the ages of 12-15. I get colonoscopies at the recommended age too. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.

So you think internal exams should be standard of care for non-sexually active 12 year olds?!

Since you seem very dense, let me explain it again. The initial visit isn't necessarily an internal exam. Did you even read the links? No, you just came on here with fake outrage trying to scare people.

Slow your roll, there are several of us who think you're a bit off. You were responding to a post about a 21 year old dying of cervical cancer, and implying this could have been avoided if she had gone to the gyno prior to 18. But since she was apparently asymptomatic, then without invasive internal exams, nothing would have been discovered. And you're claiming that these early exams wouldn't include internals, so the outcome would not have been different. It is just a very sad outlier of a case.

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Anonymous wrote:My PCP has never once done a pap smear? I get them every 3 years at the gyn. If they're not doing the pap smear they don't even use the speculum anymore.

My mom had amajor issues caught on a first gyn visit (tumor that could have been an issue). So she took my sisters and me each when we turned 18.

I posted earlier that my friend's daughter died of cervical cancer at the age of 21. By that point, she had it for 3 or 4 years. I can't believe what I'm reading here. This should be common sense that we need to see a gyn after puberty.

I’m sorry about your friend’s daughter, but that is freakishly rare. Bowel cancer is also rare in young adults, but happens sometimes. Does that mean they should start giving colonoscopies to teenagers?

The HPV vaccine will likely mar a big difference for the generations able to get it.

You're ignoring the fact that the recommendation is to have your first gyn visit between the ages of 12-15. I get colonoscopies at the recommended age too. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.

So you think internal exams should be standard of care for non-sexually active 12 year olds?!

Since you seem very dense, let me explain it again. The initial visit isn't necessarily an internal exam. Did you even read the links? No, you just came on here with fake outrage trying to scare people.

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Anonymous wrote:Teens don't need to go to the gynecologist. Gyne's are specialists who you see if there is an issue.

Their regular doctor can handle questions about birth control / sex etc.

Disagree. Mine hasn’t gone yet, but I plan on taking her this summer before she goes to college. There was a long thread about this a few weeks ago.

It’s really hard and long waits to be seen by a gyn as a new patient with no issue. Don’t waste their time and take up needed spots to others. If all your teen needs is the safe sex and birth control options talk (and a prescription), the pediatrician or family doctor are completely qualified and do this all the time.

One way to avoid this is to build a relationship with doctor before an issue presents itself. Like, perhaps when you’re 17/18.

So you are going to have her meet and build a relationship with every kind of specialist just in case down the road she has an issue? Bizarre. She doesn't need to see a neurologist or a cardiologist or a gynecologist or an internist or a hematologist or a psychiatrist as a teen to build a relationship in case she has a future health issue.

Unlike the other specialists you name, every woman is recommend to get Pap smears, breast exams, and discuss birth control just to name a few women’s health issues. Every woman. So your comparison with a gynecologist with a neurologist doesn’t connect.

Do you have a Google alert for this topic which is why you always post this kind of anti womens health stuff on DCUM?

These are all things primary care doctors do, including Pap smears, which most women only need every 5 yrs now. This is not specialist level care, this is all part of a basic yearly physical.

True though I just had a "difficult" pap with my PCP and she said if it came back inconclusive, she'd refer to gyn.
And oh thank heaven the guidance changed to every 5 years for pap. It's definitely in the category of "if men had to deal with such an exam, there would have been a new technology developed years ago."

To return to PP's question: I think the main goal for a teens (both boys and girls) is for them to learn to manage their own medical care before they head off to college/move out. PCP should be fine from that perspective though if a pap is called for, probably best for a more experienced gyn to do the first one.

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Anonymous wrote:My PCP has never once done a pap smear? I get them every 3 years at the gyn. If they're not doing the pap smear they don't even use the speculum anymore.

My mom had amajor issues caught on a first gyn visit (tumor that could have been an issue). So she took my sisters and me each when we turned 18.

I posted earlier that my friend's daughter died of cervical cancer at the age of 21. By that point, she had it for 3 or 4 years. I can't believe what I'm reading here. This should be common sense that we need to see a gyn after puberty.

I’m sorry about your friend’s daughter, but that is freakishly rare. Bowel cancer is also rare in young adults, but happens sometimes. Does that mean they should start giving colonoscopies to teenagers?

The HPV vaccine will likely mar a big difference for the generations able to get it.

You're ignoring the fact that the recommendation is to have your first gyn visit between the ages of 12-15. I get colonoscopies at the recommended age too. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.

So you think internal exams should be standard of care for non-sexually active 12 year olds?!

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Anonymous wrote:My PCP has never once done a pap smear? I get them every 3 years at the gyn. If they're not doing the pap smear they don't even use the speculum anymore.

My mom had amajor issues caught on a first gyn visit (tumor that could have been an issue). So she took my sisters and me each when we turned 18.

I posted earlier that my friend's daughter died of cervical cancer at the age of 21. By that point, she had it for 3 or 4 years. I can't believe what I'm reading here. This should be common sense that we need to see a gyn after puberty.

It's not at all clear a gyn would have caught it either. If this woman wasn't having symptoms, and the gyns aren't doing pap smears or pelvics on initial visits, as many people keep insisting, how would it have been caught?

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Anonymous wrote:Teens don't need to go to the gynecologist. Gyne's are specialists who you see if there is an issue.

Their regular doctor can handle questions about birth control / sex etc.

Disagree. Mine hasn’t gone yet, but I plan on taking her this summer before she goes to college. There was a long thread about this a few weeks ago.

Is this a new trendy UMC thing to take your daughter to the gyne?

They are supposed to go at 18 or before the become "active". I went earlier for very painful periods.

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Anonymous wrote:My PCP has never once done a pap smear? I get them every 3 years at the gyn. If they're not doing the pap smear they don't even use the speculum anymore.

My mom had amajor issues caught on a first gyn visit (tumor that could have been an issue). So she took my sisters and me each when we turned 18.

I posted earlier that my friend's daughter died of cervical cancer at the age of 21. By that point, she had it for 3 or 4 years. I can't believe what I'm reading here. This should be common sense that we need to see a gyn after puberty.

I’m sorry about your friend’s daughter, but that is freakishly rare. Bowel cancer is also rare in young adults, but happens sometimes. Does that mean they should start giving colonoscopies to teenagers?

The HPV vaccine will likely mar a big difference for the generations able to get it.

You're ignoring the fact that the recommendation is to have your first gyn visit between the ages of 12-15. I get colonoscopies at the recommended age too. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.

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Anonymous wrote:My PCP has never once done a pap smear? I get them every 3 years at the gyn. If they're not doing the pap smear they don't even use the speculum anymore.

My mom had amajor issues caught on a first gyn visit (tumor that could have been an issue). So she took my sisters and me each when we turned 18.

I posted earlier that my friend's daughter died of cervical cancer at the age of 21. By that point, she had it for 3 or 4 years. I can't believe what I'm reading here. This should be common sense that we need to see a gyn after puberty.

I’m sorry about your friend’s daughter, but that is freakishly rare. Bowel cancer is also rare in young adults, but happens sometimes. Does that mean they should start giving colonoscopies to teenagers?

The HPV vaccine will likely mar a big difference for the generations able to get it.

Anonymous wrote:If I had a male PCP who didn't understand women's issues, I might see a gyne but I have a PCP who does all kinds of women's health so need for a gyne for routine care.

Same here.
It really depends on the PCP.

Anonymous wrote:Here is link to other thread from last month, with the same anti gyno troll. I suspect the troll is some incel or has private equity in primary care practices so doesn't want women to go to the gyno and instead go to the PCP.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1315209.page#31706835

What a loser. It has to be the same idiot.

Here is link to other thread from last month, with the same anti gyno troll. I suspect the troll is some incel or has private equity in primary care practices so doesn't want women to go to the gyno and instead go to the PCP.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1315209.page#31706835