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Anonymous wrote:Legacies, Athletes, Donors - 30-35% of admits
Underrepresented (low income, race, state, rural, etc) - 20-25%
International - 20-25%
Exceptional Academics/EC's - 5-10%

Now you end up 10-20% open places for all others.

Right - so ideally, those 10-20% plug into the needs/wishes/wants of the business (e.g., the university). Do your research on the strategic plan of a university, where they are expanding departments, searching high/low for new students. If a department gets a $25-50M grant to do something, you can bet they want more students.

That kind of research does not move the needle much because it does not correlate much with admissions. This is mostly nonsense spouted by college counselors.

Chemistry department gets $25 million at Princeton. You research this and apply as Chem major at Princeton? First we dont know how much of the grant is for something other than to fund students, maybe a lab. Second, they might use the funds to pay for a certain category of students - females in Chem or lower income students in Chem, etc. Third, even if they take a 5 more students that is hardly going to make the admissions any less competitive.

Maybe not chemistry.

But last year Georgetown launched a brand new Environment & Sustainability BS program. That got to mean something. It usually indicates E&S is now their institutional priority. Do they want more E&S students? I bet they do!

Same with UChicago. And then they published a newsletter saying they couldn’t wait for their first new Climate cohort of students. And every student we see posted admitted as that major.
Sometimes the newsletter for the department specify that they are looking for more students.

There’s a lot more information out there than people think.

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Anonymous wrote:Totally normal. A few months from now, all will be forgotten and you and your DC will be focusing on college move in!

It is actually not normal.

I think it is. People handle anxiety differently.

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Anonymous wrote:Legacies, Athletes, Donors - 30-35% of admits
Underrepresented (low income, race, state, rural, etc) - 20-25%
International - 20-25%
Exceptional Academics/EC's - 5-10%

Now you end up 10-20% open places for all others.

Right - so ideally, those 10-20% plug into the needs/wishes/wants of the business (e.g., the university). Do your research on the strategic plan of a university, where they are expanding departments, searching high/low for new students. If a department gets a $25-50M grant to do something, you can bet they want more students.

That kind of research does not move the needle much because it does not correlate much with admissions. This is mostly nonsense spouted by college counselors.

Chemistry department gets $25 million at Princeton. You research this and apply as Chem major at Princeton? First we dont know how much of the grant is for something other than to fund students, maybe a lab. Second, they might use the funds to pay for a certain category of students - females in Chem or lower income students in Chem, etc. Third, even if they take a 5 more students that is hardly going to make the admissions any less competitive.

Maybe not chemistry.

But last year Georgetown launched a brand new Environment & Sustainability BS program. That got to mean something. It usually indicates E&S is now their institutional priority. Do they want more E&S students? I bet they do!

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Anonymous wrote:Legacies, Athletes, Donors - 30-35% of admits
Underrepresented (low income, race, state, rural, etc) - 20-25%
International - 20-25%
Exceptional Academics/EC's - 5-10%

Now you end up 10-20% open places for all others.

Right - so ideally, those 10-20% plug into the needs/wishes/wants of the business (e.g., the university). Do your research on the strategic plan of a university, where they are expanding departments, searching high/low for new students. If a department gets a $25-50M grant to do something, you can bet they want more students.

That kind of research does not move the needle much because it does not correlate much with admissions. This is mostly nonsense spouted by college counselors.

Chemistry department gets $25 million at Princeton. You research this and apply as Chem major at Princeton? First we dont know how much of the grant is for something other than to fund students, maybe a lab. Second, they might use the funds to pay for a certain category of students - females in Chem or lower income students in Chem, etc. Third, even if they take a 5 more students that is hardly going to make the admissions any less competitive.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like many of you with kids who were deferred at Duke are still engaging in wishful thinking. Please remember that at least 90 out of 100 kids will be rejected from the deferral pool. For the sake of your kids, encourage them to a love a school that they've been admitted to!

Agree. Duke (or a similar T10 deferral) is unlikely to happen unless your kid is truly a standout. Not academically, mind you. In other ways.
Hopefully they spent winter break focusing on other apps - my DCs had extraordinary reach luck in RD 2x now....both times they had much stronger RD apps than early ones.

GL everyone!

If we just treat it as another RD school, there is nothing wrong with it. Yes, chances are not high, but let the RD run and see the results.

Not exactly. They know it’s the first choice for the deferrals, so yield is not going to be a problem. Better chance than a straight up RD.

Anonymous wrote:Legacies, Athletes, Donors - 30-35% of admits
Underrepresented (low income, race, state, rural, etc) - 20-25%
International - 20-25%
Exceptional Academics/EC's - 5-10%

Now you end up 10-20% open places for all others.

Right - so ideally, those 10-20% plug into the needs/wishes/wants of the business (e.g., the university). Do your research on the strategic plan of a university, where they are expanding departments, searching high/low for new students. If a department gets a $25-50M grant to do something, you can bet they want more students.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Last year Duke accepted 10% of ED deferrals. That's higher than their RD admit rate, but still my deferred DC is not optimistic. We'll know in 2-3 weeks. Trying to move on before then has been hard for them.

It's hard. The percentage is high compared to the overall RD rate, but the less-strong applicants from ED have already been filtered out, so it's 10% of a relatively strong group. Good luck.

You don't mention the stronger ED applicants also have been removed (accepted).

That is why PP said relatively strong. The accepted ED kids are not competing with the deferred ones for a spot, it is irrelevant.

The deferred kids are not competing with the deferred kids. They are re-evaluated in the RD pool, i.e., competing with everyone in the RD. Whether or not the deferral pool comprises "relatively strong" from ED is totally irrelevant. Irrelevant.

Do we think that the AOs during the RD round are comparing the RD candidates to candidates who have already been accepted ED? Like, comparing their stats or rigor or awards or things like that?

Slate can show them admitted kid "Stats" from the same HS. Its just a pop up screen.

They’re all together in the class-building stage. The kids who were admitted early have protected status, but they’re all evaluated together when the director of admissions is determining that they have enough kids with 1540+, enough boys, enough English majors, enough kids from Iowa, etc.

lol I hope this really is one of the class shaping tools. But it kinda makes sense that they do this.

Kind of evil, think about it

“Evil” seems a little strong when what we’re describing is “colleges admitting some students whose test scores indicate they are prepared to do the work.”

Legacies, Athletes, Donors - 30-35% of admits
Underrepresented (low income, race, state, rural, etc) - 20-25%
International - 20-25%
Exceptional Academics/EC's - 5-10%

Now you end up 10-20% open places for all others.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Last year Duke accepted 10% of ED deferrals. That's higher than their RD admit rate, but still my deferred DC is not optimistic. We'll know in 2-3 weeks. Trying to move on before then has been hard for them.

It's hard. The percentage is high compared to the overall RD rate, but the less-strong applicants from ED have already been filtered out, so it's 10% of a relatively strong group. Good luck.

You don't mention the stronger ED applicants also have been removed (accepted).

That is why PP said relatively strong. The accepted ED kids are not competing with the deferred ones for a spot, it is irrelevant.

The deferred kids are not competing with the deferred kids. They are re-evaluated in the RD pool, i.e., competing with everyone in the RD. Whether or not the deferral pool comprises "relatively strong" from ED is totally irrelevant. Irrelevant.

Do we think that the AOs during the RD round are comparing the RD candidates to candidates who have already been accepted ED? Like, comparing their stats or rigor or awards or things like that?

Slate can show them admitted kid "Stats" from the same HS. Its just a pop up screen.

They’re all together in the class-building stage. The kids who were admitted early have protected status, but they’re all evaluated together when the director of admissions is determining that they have enough kids with 1540+, enough boys, enough English majors, enough kids from Iowa, etc.

lol I hope this really is one of the class shaping tools. But it kinda makes sense that they do this.

Kind of evil, think about it

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like many of you with kids who were deferred at Duke are still engaging in wishful thinking. Please remember that at least 90 out of 100 kids will be rejected from the deferral pool. For the sake of your kids, encourage them to a love a school that they've been admitted to!

Agree. Duke (or a similar T10 deferral) is unlikely to happen unless your kid is truly a standout. Not academically, mind you. In other ways.
Hopefully they spent winter break focusing on other apps - my DCs had extraordinary reach luck in RD 2x now....both times they had much stronger RD apps than early ones.

GL everyone!

If we just treat it as another RD school, there is nothing wrong with it. Yes, chances are not high, but let the RD run and see the results.

Anonymous wrote:I feel like many of you with kids who were deferred at Duke are still engaging in wishful thinking. Please remember that at least 90 out of 100 kids will be rejected from the deferral pool. For the sake of your kids, encourage them to a love a school that they've been admitted to!

Agree. Duke (or a similar T10 deferral) is unlikely to happen unless your kid is truly a standout. Not academically, mind you. In other ways.
Hopefully they spent winter break focusing on other apps - my DCs had extraordinary reach luck in RD 2x now....both times they had much stronger RD apps than early ones.

GL everyone!

I feel like many of you with kids who were deferred at Duke are still engaging in wishful thinking. Please remember that at least 90 out of 100 kids will be rejected from the deferral pool. For the sake of your kids, encourage them to a love a school that they've been admitted to!

People get caught up in the college admissions process because many see it as the ultimate prize. But the goal of high school shouldn’t be simply to land at the most prestigious university. When the goal itself is misplaced, disappointment is almost inevitable. The college admissions process is neither fully fair nor transparent, and it’s a mistake to believe that only students who attend a small group of “elite” schools will go on to be successful. It helps to step back from the intense environment of highly competitive high schools in our area and look more broadly at where most students attend college. You’ll find that people go to many different universities and still go on to lead meaningful, successful lives.

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Watch that Hoffman guys videos. It literally shows why admitting multiple 1490 in RD will screw averages......