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Anonymous wrote:How exactly are you getting screwed. You decided to move away from Cardozo HS where your kids could have been top of theclass, to an area where they could have friends "with a similar ses".

Come on, drop the BS. Cardozo wasn't a safe option for a white kid and you know it.

You're probably the same type of person who wants your kid to go to a "diverse" college.

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Anonymous wrote:The advantage would be specific to Pell recipients.

That’s not true. I can think of many babied top students at the best high schools who are driven to tutors, math classes, private coaches so they can play a sport, whose schedules are driven my mom. These kids would fall apart in a Title 1 school. So yes, no matter what income, kids who do well in Title 1 schools are more desirable candidates.

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My kid absolutely benefited from learning how to thrive attending an urban Title I, and not one of NYC’s “desirable” public magnets either. Several T5 admits from its graduating classes recently. The LAC that DC now attends wouldn’t have been one of their expected admits had they come from a large, UMC feeder school.

We were frankly surprised it seems to have been a hook. It wasn’t the reason they attended their T1, but it clearly turned out to be a factor in admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:The advantage would be specific to Pell recipients.

That’s not true. I can think of many babied top students at the best high schools who are driven to tutors, math classes, private coaches so they can play a sport, whose schedules are driven my mom. These kids would fall apart in a Title 1 school. So yes, no matter what income, kids who do well in Title 1 schools are more desirable candidates.

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Anonymous wrote:How exactly are you getting screwed. You decided to move away from Cardozo HS where your kids could have been top of theclass, to an area where they could have friends "with a similar ses".

Come on, drop the BS. Cardozo wasn't a safe option for a white kid and you know it.

Anonymous wrote:How exactly are you getting screwed. You decided to move away from Cardozo HS where your kids could have been top of theclass, to an area where they could have friends "with a similar ses".

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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t low income as a family or first generation to attend college, but live in a low income zip code and teen attends large public title 1 school. Will graduate in top 1%, lots of DE and AP classes, expecting SAT to be above 1500 based on PSAT scores. No national awards, but some cool ECs, strong leadership, job, interesting hobby. No one, or rarely anyone, applies to college out of state. He is wanting a school in top 5-20 (which are all out of state). Does coming from a school with limited resources and no one from your high school applying give an admission boost?

Um, no. If anything, it's probably a detriment.

Do you have some cynical notion that admissions officers will look more favorably on a child who has "survived" a ... what ... ghetto environment or some shit like that?

It’s actually really hard to do well, stay motivated, and seek out opportunities to excel when everyone around you is far below grade level, into trouble, and completely apathetic about school.

There’s a lot of research showing that integrated schools benefit all students, including higher-income and higher-achieving kids.
https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2015/10/19/446085513/the-evidence-that-white-children-benefit-from-integrated-schools

Have your kids attended Title I schools? Assuming that being surrounded by lower-income students automatically makes it “really hard to stay motivated,” or that high-achieving kids are somehow held back, just isn’t true at our school. It’s absolutely possible to stay motivated, take rigorous classes, lead, etc. My children and their friends have done exactly that and have gone on to attend top schools in Virginia and across the country.

I don’t know whether attending a Title I school is a “hook,” but colleges evaluate students in context and understand that students who’ve learned in socioeconomically and culturally diverse schools often develop adaptability, perspective, and openness that serve them well in college.

If more parents could look beyond GreatSchools ratings, they might find that their children gain exposure to different perspectives and experiences. Title I schools aren’t lacking because of the students; they’re under-resourced because of broader structural issues.

Disagree. It absolutely is harder to find rigor in title 1 schools. In the regular or “honors” classes, there is nothing honors about them. Teachers have to significantly lower expectations and tailor assignments to what most of the class can realistically be successfully completing. Even the AP classes are not as good. Teachers often cannot get through a years worth of content. If you take an AP class, you practically need to self study all year and do plenty of test prep if you want a 4/5. The class alone will not prepare you well at all. You have to be extremely self motivated outside of school and disciplined to move ahead in these schools.

None of this is true about the urban Title 1 HS my DS attended in CA. Passed all APs and got 4s and 5s on 80% of them, with minimal self study and test prep outside of class.

gettings 4s and 5s is great, but it's basically what 1/3 of all kids going to college are doing. that's hardly gettin you into any top school. unless you have a dozen APs all 5s and then that's just table stakes

NP. Ok. But you just said that kids going to title 1 schools can’t get a rigorous education or do well on AP exams without tons of self study. Which is false, and what PP was responding to.

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Anonymous wrote:Another factor is that your kid probably has more leadership opportunities than they would at a "better" high school.
For example, my kid is captain of a varsity team and probably wouldn't have even made the team if they were in different school. Becoming president of Honor Society or being a officer in SGA isn't as competitive.

+1 The chances are better coming from a Title I school or an elite private. The middle class gets screwed again.

Or, hear me out, have your kids go to a Title 1 school, as a middle class family. Which is always an option. That is what we did. Kids went k-8 Catholic, then Title 1 (or close to it) high school. Oldest at UVA. 4s and 5s on 9 AP exams, high 1400s SAT (submitted) and 4.4 gpa.

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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t low income as a family or first generation to attend college, but live in a low income zip code and teen attends large public title 1 school. Will graduate in top 1%, lots of DE and AP classes, expecting SAT to be above 1500 based on PSAT scores. No national awards, but some cool ECs, strong leadership, job, interesting hobby. No one, or rarely anyone, applies to college out of state. He is wanting a school in top 5-20 (which are all out of state). Does coming from a school with limited resources and no one from your high school applying give an admission boost?

Um, no. If anything, it's probably a detriment.

Do you have some cynical notion that admissions officers will look more favorably on a child who has "survived" a ... what ... ghetto environment or some shit like that?

It’s actually really hard to do well, stay motivated, and seek out opportunities to excel when everyone around you is far below grade level, into trouble, and completely apathetic about school.

There’s a lot of research showing that integrated schools benefit all students, including higher-income and higher-achieving kids.
https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2015/10/19/446085513/the-evidence-that-white-children-benefit-from-integrated-schools

Have your kids attended Title I schools? Assuming that being surrounded by lower-income students automatically makes it “really hard to stay motivated,” or that high-achieving kids are somehow held back, just isn’t true at our school. It’s absolutely possible to stay motivated, take rigorous classes, lead, etc. My children and their friends have done exactly that and have gone on to attend top schools in Virginia and across the country.

I don’t know whether attending a Title I school is a “hook,” but colleges evaluate students in context and understand that students who’ve learned in socioeconomically and culturally diverse schools often develop adaptability, perspective, and openness that serve them well in college.

If more parents could look beyond GreatSchools ratings, they might find that their children gain exposure to different perspectives and experiences. Title I schools aren’t lacking because of the students; they’re under-resourced because of broader structural issues.

Disagree. It absolutely is harder to find rigor in title 1 schools. In the regular or “honors” classes, there is nothing honors about them. Teachers have to significantly lower expectations and tailor assignments to what most of the class can realistically be successfully completing. Even the AP classes are not as good. Teachers often cannot get through a years worth of content. If you take an AP class, you practically need to self study all year and do plenty of test prep if you want a 4/5. The class alone will not prepare you well at all. You have to be extremely self motivated outside of school and disciplined to move ahead in these schools.

None of this is true about the urban Title 1 HS my DS attended in CA. Passed all APs and got 4s and 5s on 80% of them, with minimal self study and test prep outside of class.

gettings 4s and 5s is great, but it's basically what 1/3 of all kids going to college are doing. that's hardly gettin you into any top school. unless you have a dozen APs all 5s and then that's just table stakes

NP. Ok. But you just said that kids going to title 1 schools can’t get a rigorous education or do well on AP exams without tons of self study. Which is false, and what PP was responding to.

Anonymous wrote:We aren’t low income as a family or first generation to attend college, but live in a low income zip code and teen attends large public title 1 school. Will graduate in top 1%, lots of DE and AP classes, expecting SAT to be above 1500 based on PSAT scores. No national awards, but some cool ECs, strong leadership, job, interesting hobby. No one, or rarely anyone, applies to college out of state. He is wanting a school in top 5-20 (which are all out of state). Does coming from a school with limited resources and no one from your high school applying give an admission boost?

Anonymous wrote:The advantage would be specific to Pell recipients.

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Anonymous wrote:Another factor is that your kid probably has more leadership opportunities than they would at a "better" high school.
For example, my kid is captain of a varsity team and probably wouldn't have even made the team if they were in different school. Becoming president of Honor Society or being a officer in SGA isn't as competitive.

+1 The chances are better coming from a Title I school or an elite private. The middle class gets screwed again.

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Anonymous wrote:Another factor is that your kid probably has more leadership opportunities than they would at a "better" high school.
For example, my kid is captain of a varsity team and probably wouldn't have even made the team if they were in different school. Becoming president of Honor Society or being a officer in SGA isn't as competitive.

+1 The chances are better coming from a Title I school or an elite private. The middle class gets screwed again.