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Anonymous wrote:I grew up going to a camp down the road so I have some insight into the mindset. I have family members who attend Mystic. There are plenty of girls who want to go back, including those from Guadalupe 2nd term who were in the floods. It is very complicated but to put it simply - for the campers it is about being with their friends and having the camp experience. They could care less about who runs the place. I know that is the parents’ job and I know there are some who won’t allow it but others who will, especially those of the older girls. I am not going to judge.

That's nice of you, but most of us will judge parents who knowingly put their kids in known potential danger, especially so their kids can have a camp experience with their friends.

I understand. But they will not be in danger. They are not using the Guadalupe location.

So you have learned nothing. God, you're criminally stupid.

DP

Speaking of stupid…..

What part of “they aren’t using the property that was flooded last year” did you not understand?

So if they aren’t using the spot that got flooded, how exactly haven’t they learned anything?

Because the owners are money-grubbing murderers who do not understand, and will never understand, safety in any form. Once a person shows you who they are, believe them. You think they care about fire safety, tornado safety, food safety?

Yes, you are criminally stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:Exacerbating the entire situation with the families of the girls who died is the behavior of the Eastland family in the aftermath of the floods. I truly think that had they shown remorse, compassion, openness, and sympathy to the families then they would have avoided so much of the (deserved) vitriol and lawsuits. I understand that they lost their leader and patriarch, but the sons and their wives who were in charge of the 2 camps (especially Edward at Guad who yes I know almost died himself trying to rescue girls) were shockingly tone-deaf and cold in the hours, days, weeks and months following. Tweety is likely on the verge of dementia or some other health issue as well, but the kids seemed unable to take charge and be responsible in the face of this. And by kids I mean 40yo adults. Edward's wife aspired to be the next Tweety and IMO was also the reason the camp was becoming more evangelical. I know they relied on their faith to get through it and assumed everyone else would too, especially the families of those killed. This only infuriated the families more. I could go into details but that is the gist.

Interesting. I went to Mystic in the late 80s and early 90s and it wasn’t very religious. Religion certainly played no role in why my parents send me there. My camp BF was Jewish. Sunday vespers was optional and most of us didn’t go.

I know a ton of people who have sent their girls there in recent years and they’re not particularly religious. If you read DCUM and other articles it sounds like an evangelical Christian camp. That’s not what it’s been historically at all. Perhaps the younger generation of Eastlands was trying to make it so but most people attend Mystic bc it’s a great camp that’s been around for generations. The fact that it’s Christian is incidental.

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Anonymous wrote:I suppose the camp could be safer. Of course, you would be crazy not to insist on some evidence of procedural changes.

It's not just about current safety. It's about not giving one cent more to the family who was so negligent and greedy for money that they killed a bunch of innocent children.

You want your money to go to murderers?

It will go to pay out lawsuits and camp counselors.

Anonymous wrote:Exacerbating the entire situation with the families of the girls who died is the behavior of the Eastland family in the aftermath of the floods. I truly think that had they shown remorse, compassion, openness, and sympathy to the families then they would have avoided so much of the (deserved) vitriol and lawsuits. I understand that they lost their leader and patriarch, but the sons and their wives who were in charge of the 2 camps (especially Edward at Guad who yes I know almost died himself trying to rescue girls) were shockingly tone-deaf and cold in the hours, days, weeks and months following. Tweety is likely on the verge of dementia or some other health issue as well, but the kids seemed unable to take charge and be responsible in the face of this. And by kids I mean 40yo adults. Edward's wife aspired to be the next Tweety and IMO was also the reason the camp was becoming more evangelical. I know they relied on their faith to get through it and assumed everyone else would too, especially the families of those killed. This only infuriated the families more. I could go into details but that is the gist.

Anonymous wrote:This is terrible. That place should be turned into a memorial for all the children and staff that perished.

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Anonymous wrote:I suppose the camp could be safer. Of course, you would be crazy not to insist on some evidence of procedural changes.

It's not just about current safety. It's about not giving one cent more to the family who was so negligent and greedy for money that they killed a bunch of innocent children.

You want your money to go to murderers?

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up going to a camp down the road so I have some insight into the mindset. I have family members who attend Mystic. There are plenty of girls who want to go back, including those from Guadalupe 2nd term who were in the floods. It is very complicated but to put it simply - for the campers it is about being with their friends and having the camp experience. They could care less about who runs the place. I know that is the parents’ job and I know there are some who won’t allow it but others who will, especially those of the older girls. I am not going to judge.

That's nice of you, but most of us will judge parents who knowingly put their kids in known potential danger, especially so their kids can have a camp experience with their friends.

I understand. But they will not be in danger. They are not using the Guadalupe location.

So you have learned nothing. God, you're criminally stupid.

DP

Speaking of stupid…..

What part of “they aren’t using the property that was flooded last year” did you not understand?

So if they aren’t using the spot that got flooded, how exactly haven’t they learned anything?

The spot that flooded last year? It didn’t flood the year before that. It may never flood again. But it did flood, and for being a camp next to a river these people had zero plan for safely supervising the children in their care.

I’d want to know how these people have improved their emergency procedures and training and what they are doing to monitor that river (and any other danger for that matter) going forward.

The monitoring was never a problem. They had warnings. They ignored them.

Anonymous wrote:I’m curious how they are getting insurance to operate on the property again.

Anonymous wrote:Exacerbating the entire situation with the families of the girls who died is the behavior of the Eastland family in the aftermath of the floods. I truly think that had they shown remorse, compassion, openness, and sympathy to the families then they would have avoided so much of the (deserved) vitriol and lawsuits. I understand that they lost their leader and patriarch, but the sons and their wives who were in charge of the 2 camps (especially Edward at Guad who yes I know almost died himself trying to rescue girls) were shockingly tone-deaf and cold in the hours, days, weeks and months following. Tweety is likely on the verge of dementia or some other health issue as well, but the kids seemed unable to take charge and be responsible in the face of this. And by kids I mean 40yo adults. Edward's wife aspired to be the next Tweety and IMO was also the reason the camp was becoming more evangelical. I know they relied on their faith to get through it and assumed everyone else would too, especially the families of those killed. This only infuriated the families more. I could go into details but that is the gist.

Anonymous wrote:I’m curious how they are getting insurance to operate on the property again.

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Anonymous wrote:The operators of this camp clearly showed horrible judgment on multiple occasions, so, no, I would not trust my children with them.

100%
It's insane to me that this is even up for debate.

Anonymous wrote:The operators of this camp clearly showed horrible judgment on multiple occasions, so, no, I would not trust my children with them.