Chicago is not going to lose this reputation until they stop taking private school kids who are not top students.
Period.

Anyone with connection to a top private school views Chicago as the ED2 choice for kids who didn't get into their Ivy SCEA or ED1 OR the school where kids who aren't near the top of the class but want prestige go.

Until Chicago changes this practice (and they're the only top15 school that does it) these posts will persist.

The rank of very few kids from fcps or similar schools which don’t rank can be known.

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Anonymous wrote:Yet another Chicago discussion . Oh why oh why?!

OP here, I just wanted to [url]give some numbers [b]that DCUM has needed for a while given the amount of misinformation here.

Well, here are some numbers for you. Chicago is $6 billion in the hole and cutting facukty a programs right and left.

They cut their deficit in half this year btw so likely will be out of it soon.

Anonymous wrote:From our school the Chicago admits were overall stronger students than the HYP kids, most of whom had either non-academic hooks or curated resumes.

Rightly or wrongly, such is holistic admissions and a big part of selectivity. In terms of selectivity, Chicago is the easiest admit in the top 20, and several 20-something schools (Emory, Georgetown, USC) are tougher admits than Chicago if applying to Chicago ED.

From our school the Chicago admits were overall stronger students than the HYP kids, most of whom had either non-academic hooks or curated resumes.

Anonymous wrote:Thank you, OP. Unfortunately, your mistake was thinking that presenting actual numbers would end the argument, when in reality it just opened up another thread for people to crap on Chi.

So much time spent here arguing about the admissions process vs a discussion re: caliber of education.

The numbers Chicago gave are mathematically impossible.

Thank you, OP. Unfortunately, your mistake was thinking that presenting actual numbers would end the argument, when in reality it just opened up another thread for people to crap on Chi.

So much time spent here arguing about the admissions process vs a discussion re: caliber of education.

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Anonymous wrote:In a recent admitted students event, they shared the numbers. My DC attended and wrote this down

49,000 applications (SSEN, ED1, EA, ED2, RD)

98% top 10% of their class

21,000 applied EA/ED1
1000 admitted EA/ED1
5% admit rate in EA/ED1

Drumroll please…
18% admit rate in ED1

I don’t understand why you think that’s a good percentage, OP. Everyone know Chicago markets ED heavily to drive yield numbers.

Brown ED: 16.5%
Cornell ED: 17-22%
Dartmouth ED: 17%
Northwestern ED: 17-20%
The list goes on. Do you disparage the schools above for "admitting everyone ED?"

It just shows that most people on here are lying about Chicago admitting everybody they can get to apply ED.

Well Chicago sort of invented the ED game. Makes sense considering how nmany game theorists they have.

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Anonymous wrote:In a recent admitted students event, they shared the numbers. My DC attended and wrote this down

49,000 applications (SSEN, ED1, EA, ED2, RD)

98% top 10% of their class

21,000 applied EA/ED1
1000 admitted EA/ED1
5% admit rate in EA/ED1

Drumroll please…
18% admit rate in ED1

I don’t understand why you think that’s a good percentage, OP. Everyone know Chicago markets ED heavily to drive yield numbers.

Brown ED: 16.5%
Cornell ED: 17-22%
Dartmouth ED: 17%
Northwestern ED: 17-20%
The list goes on. Do you disparage the schools above for "admitting everyone ED?"

It just shows that most people on here are lying about Chicago admitting everybody they can get to apply ED.

ED is that thick?

Anonymous wrote:In a recent admitted students event, they shared the numbers. My DC attended and wrote this down

49,000 applications (SSEN, ED1, EA, ED2, RD)

98% top 10% of their class

21,000 applied EA/ED1
1000 admitted EA/ED1
5% admit rate in EA/ED1

Drumroll please…
18% admit rate in ED1

What is the EDO admit rate? Rumors are 50%.
Even if the 18% ED1 number is accurate as the early snapshot (which I doubt), it is not reflective of the overall ED admit rate.
Why? Many ED1 are deferred. Some opt for and get in ED2. Changes the denominator. Almost all EA are deferred. Many apply and get in ED2. Changes the denominator. Can’t double-count same applicant as a reject from ED1 when an admit in ED2.
Chicago knows this. They are deliberately obfuscating here.

Chicago is also using a new tactic: accepting ED1 students as transfers a year later. This is all over reddit. These do not count as ED1 admits.

We don’t know what the real denominator is because they want to obfuscate.

Conservatively, it is 70%. That is a 26% ED1 admit rate.

The middle estimate, if the denominator is 60%, is a 30% ED1 admit rate.

The lower estimate, if the denominator is 50%, is a 36% ED1 admit rate.

Taking the middle estimate of a 30% ED1 admit rate makes the most sense here. This admit rate used to be in the high 30s before ED0.

But ED0 has an estimated 50% admit rate.

The ED0/1 admit rate is therefore still in the high 30s.

If Chicago wants to be transparent about these numbers, all it has to do is share them, as every other top 20 school does.

They don’t, and instead give some obfuscating half truths because idiots like you don’t know any better, and want to believe ED admission at Chicago is much more competitive than it is.

Any competent college counselor will tell you Chicago is BS ing you here.

But believe what you will…

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Anonymous wrote:In a recent admitted students event, they shared the numbers. My DC attended and wrote this down

49,000 applications (SSEN, ED1, EA, ED2, RD)

98% top 10% of their class

21,000 applied EA/ED1
1000 admitted EA/ED1
5% admit rate in EA/ED1

Drumroll please…
18% admit rate in ED1

Congrats!

Help me out, how do you get 18% from these numbers? There seems a missing link for the calculation.
Could you map out how you derive 18% from those numbers?
Thanks!

18% was not my independent calculation, so I’m unsure. Sorry!

I don't get it. This is almost mathematically impossible.

In order to get to 18%, even if every EA/ED admit was from ED, you would there to be fewer than 5556 ED applications. This doesn't sound right does it?

Anonymous wrote:If it means anything, Chicago's SAT 75th percentile is the same as that of Duke and Yale.

So is the 25th percentile. With comparable percentages of submitted scores. This has always been true.

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Anonymous wrote:"98% top 10% of their class"

Most private schools don't calculate GPA or class rank for colleges so those students are not included in this statistic. Most UChicago kids from my kids private school are definitely not top 10%. We have cum laude and those kids rarely go to UChicago.

The private my oldest child attended had 6 go to Chicago last year and none were top 20% in the class. It's a choice for kids who want prestige but aren't top students.

Slightly different at our private, it is not where the top 10% go, but there are some top 20% who are risk averse to taking their chances in RD and EDII to UChicago after a deferral in REA ED. These are the kids most likely to regret it when they see where others get in RD.

You won't end it until they stop the practice of soliciting applications from kids who are not likely to be accepted (spray and pray marketing).

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Anonymous wrote:In a recent admitted students event, they shared the numbers. My DC attended and wrote this down

49,000 applications (SSEN, ED1, EA, ED2, RD)

98% top 10% of their class

21,000 applied EA/ED1
1000 admitted EA/ED1
5% admit rate in EA/ED1

Drumroll please…
18% admit rate in ED1

Let's do some simple math.

1000 ED1 admits, assuming 18% is correct,
1000/0.18 = ~6000 ED1 applicants.

That is a huge number, more than doubling ED1 applicants at JHU (2700).
This just doesn't feel right.

Are you sure your DC didn't hear it wrong? Are you sure it's 18%? Not 28% or 38%??

If we assume the number of ED1 applicants are about the same across T10 schools, e.g., ~3000.
Then the ED1 admit rate would be 1000/3000 = 33%.