Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:First year teacher here so i cant compare to previous years but 40% of my 9th graders failed semester 1 of Honors English 9
??? Are you in a low-income neighborhood?
I am outside the Beltway. That is all i will say
That's unusually low. If it's in-line with your school's previous achievement, it's not you. If it's not, it's you. Be prepared to document how you did things.
It was because of zeros. We had 12 AT assignments and 12 PP assignments in Q2. 24 assignments. The kids who failed on average had 18 missing assignments. I even disobeyed the grading policy and had unlimited deadlines. Nothing. Even the
12 PP is way too much, given that each one counts for less than 1% of their grade and they could, in theory, skip all of them and still get a 90%, if they were perfect in All Tasks. I recommend going for the minimum allowed: 10 AT and 5 PP. If every teacher did this, they still then have 30 assignments per semester or more like 150 to 200 per semester, which, frankly, is still absurd if you think about it.
There a 10 minimum AT? I don’t think many of my kids teachers do this. They often have like 5 AT which means if you miss one, that’s a major hit on your grade.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kid got his first C (low B in Q1 and mid C in Q2 - would've been a B under the old system) - plus 1 B and 5 As. These grades a more accurate reflection of his work, but it seems unfair for this to happen junior year, even with the letter MCPS will send with transcripts explaining the change. I also have a 9th grader and have no issues with the new grading system overall.
Teacher here. A C in a MCPS course is pretty bad. It means your kid doesn’t know the content. It is not hard to earn a C. Either your kid is not understanding the content even at a basic level or your kid has bad executive functioning and is not turning in assignments. Does your kid ever go to office hours for extra support?
yes, of course but when a kid gets the flu and pneumonia or whatever and it comprises the ability to do well on a huge test that can impact things unexpectedly. My point was simply that in theory it seems a kid who gets a solid A in the second quarter, let’s 94 or higher, should get an A for the semester even if they had a B the first quarter. Some kids are not trying to game the system but life happens . And my point was that upward trajectory of grades should matter. it is the opposite of someone getting a 89.9 the fist quarter and then calling it a day and getting an 80 second quarter but still ending up with an A for the semester, which would have happened in the old system .Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The downside is when a kid has a tough first quarter in a class, gets a B (84.5)for whatever reason then tries really hard and has a 93 for the second quarter, but still ends up with a B for the semester as if they hadn’t tried hard the last half. Sort of demoralizing for that kid. Seems like they could find a way to do this where an A above a certain level means the semester remains a A? That is upward trajectory of effort and skills, is it not? Makes some kids feel like “ why did I put in so much more effort if I still end up with the B?” (Or C in some other cases for others other there I am sure)
Or they could have "tried really hard" the entire semester...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kid got his first C (low B in Q1 and mid C in Q2 - would've been a B under the old system) - plus 1 B and 5 As. These grades a more accurate reflection of his work, but it seems unfair for this to happen junior year, even with the letter MCPS will send with transcripts explaining the change. I also have a 9th grader and have no issues with the new grading system overall.
Teacher here. A C in a MCPS course is pretty bad. It means your kid doesn’t know the content. It is not hard to earn a C. Either your kid is not understanding the content even at a basic level or your kid has bad executive functioning and is not turning in assignments. Does your kid ever go to office hours for extra support?
He just wasn't putting in the work. It was a hard class that was not in his comfort zone and he shut down. We actually know plenty of kids with Cs in MCPS courses (it was just the first time for my kid). Some kids struggle with ADHD, LDs, etc. I don't know what course you teach, but not everyone in MCPS has a 4.9 WGPA, even though you'd think that's the case from reading DCUM!
Yes, but then you argued that this was "unfair" to happen during his Junior year. Under the old system, kids who did put in the work and pushed through to master content would have been competing for college admissions with those who "shut down." but had similar GPAs Now that didn't seem fair.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parent here. It has to change. DD's AP Calc BC teacher warned us at BTSN that our kids, maybe for the first time in their lives, would have Bs. And it's true - DD has an A for the semester, but a B for the last quarter. Her first B in math.
I love this new grading policy, BTW. It's so much more fair than the previous one.
Explain that to me like I'm five. Are you one of these people who think grading needs to be on a bell curve to be "fair?"
PP you replied to. I hated the old system of using quarter letter grades to determine semester letter grades. That's not granular enough. It's much more accurate to calculate the average of the number grade for each quarter to get the semester grade, and then convert that to a letter.
Ideally, we wouldn't even have letter grades. We would just stick to numbers. This is how most of the world does it.
I don't know what you're referring regarding bell curves.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kid got his first C (low B in Q1 and mid C in Q2 - would've been a B under the old system) - plus 1 B and 5 As. These grades a more accurate reflection of his work, but it seems unfair for this to happen junior year, even with the letter MCPS will send with transcripts explaining the change. I also have a 9th grader and have no issues with the new grading system overall.
Teacher here. A C in a MCPS course is pretty bad. It means your kid doesn’t know the content. It is not hard to earn a C. Either your kid is not understanding the content even at a basic level or your kid has bad executive functioning and is not turning in assignments. Does your kid ever go to office hours for extra support?
He just wasn't putting in the work. It was a hard class that was not in his comfort zone and he shut down. We actually know plenty of kids with Cs in MCPS courses (it was just the first time for my kid). Some kids struggle with ADHD, LDs, etc. I don't know what course you teach, but not everyone in MCPS has a 4.9 WGPA, even though you'd think that's the case from reading DCUM!
Anonymous wrote:The downside is when a kid has a tough first quarter in a class, gets a B (84.5)for whatever reason then tries really hard and has a 93 for the second quarter, but still ends up with a B for the semester as if they hadn’t tried hard the last half. Sort of demoralizing for that kid. Seems like they could find a way to do this where an A above a certain level means the semester remains a A? That is upward trajectory of effort and skills, is it not? Makes some kids feel like “ why did I put in so much more effort if I still end up with the B?” (Or C in some other cases for others other there I am sure)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kid got his first C (low B in Q1 and mid C in Q2 - would've been a B under the old system) - plus 1 B and 5 As. These grades a more accurate reflection of his work, but it seems unfair for this to happen junior year, even with the letter MCPS will send with transcripts explaining the change. I also have a 9th grader and have no issues with the new grading system overall.
Teacher here. A C in a MCPS course is pretty bad. It means your kid doesn’t know the content. It is not hard to earn a C. Either your kid is not understanding the content even at a basic level or your kid has bad executive functioning and is not turning in assignments. Does your kid ever go to office hours for extra support?
He just wasn't putting in the work. It was a hard class that was not in his comfort zone and he shut down. We actually know plenty of kids with Cs in MCPS courses (it was just the first time for my kid). Some kids struggle with ADHD, LDs, etc. I don't know what course you teach, but not everyone in MCPS has a 4.9 WGPA, even though you'd think that's the case from reading DCUM!
My apologies for boasting, but my kid with ADHD and learning disabilities had a 4.67 weighted high school GPA when he applied for college. Please don't use these diagnoses as an excuse for poor performance. They can explain some academic struggles, I agree. But then what do you do? Shrug and say "oh he's hit his ceiling"? Or actually do something about it?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:First year teacher here so i cant compare to previous years but 40% of my 9th graders failed semester 1 of Honors English 9
??? Are you in a low-income neighborhood?
I am outside the Beltway. That is all i will say
That's unusually low. If it's in-line with your school's previous achievement, it's not you. If it's not, it's you. Be prepared to document how you did things.
It was because of zeros. We had 12 AT assignments and 12 PP assignments in Q2. 24 assignments. The kids who failed on average had 18 missing assignments. I even disobeyed the grading policy and had unlimited deadlines. Nothing. Even the
I hope you reached out to your team lead or department head to assist you in managing this. You have terrible or even catastrophic stats and really need to figure out how to work through this if you expect to keep your job. I’m not a teacher but it seems like there have to be strategies beyond extending due dates to get kids to a passing level.
Teacher here at a different school. This is not that unusual actually. Assuming that the previous teacher is at a low income/high immigrant school, you will be shocked at how appalling attendance can be. Two years ago, I had a kid who attended 5 days of school out of a full year and administrators pressured me to pass her so she could graduate. That stuff is harder to pull off now - as it should be.
You're right that I am shocked. It doesn't surprise me that some kids have bad attendance and, probably in most cases, consequently bad grades. But the numbers are what shock me. Especially given that it's an honors course. I don't understand why kids who have poor attendance would even be signing up for honors classes. Regardless, at this point, though, I would think that at least some of that would be weeded out by the attendance policy that calls for disenrollment after a certain number of absences - which actually happened to one of my kids who had to be out for medical reasons.
You mention that part of what shocks you is that this is an Honors Course. I am also a 9th grade English teacher in MCPS. Keep in mind that, at the majority of schools, Honors English is the only course offered. I've been teaching in MCPS for 28 years. I started in middle school, and for the first decade of my teaching career, the material I was teaching to 7th and 8th grade honors students was significantly more challenging than the current "honors" 9th grade curriculum. High achieving students are at such a disadvantage under the current system because there is such a wide disparity in the abilities of students that we are practically teaching the "honors" course at a remedial level.
The powers that be would tell you that "differentiation is key", but in a class of 30 students, you cannot possibly teach anyone at a level that is truly honors. In a given section, I might have half a dozen students who are diligent, high achieving students. In addition, I might have 6-8 IEP students, 3-4 ESL (English as a second language - remember these kids are being put directly into our English classes for the most part), and a handful of 504 students. Over half the class has some set of accommodations that I am legally bound to meet, along with others who probably need accommodations but have yet to be identified as such. Trust me when I say that it is the bright, capable students who want to be challenged that are falling through the cracks. If you are the parent of such a student, I highly recommend having them take as many AP courses as possible because they are the only "real" honors classes being offered in many cases.
And have you seen the literature on the new English curriculum? The novel choices in Quarter 1 include All American Boys, A Separate Peace, and a graphic novel. While the subjects may be appropriate for 9th graders, the reading level of these books is about 6th grade or so. Compare this to the literary quality of books like To Kill a Mockingbird, Romeo and Juliet, and Of Mice and Men.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kid got his first C (low B in Q1 and mid C in Q2 - would've been a B under the old system) - plus 1 B and 5 As. These grades a more accurate reflection of his work, but it seems unfair for this to happen junior year, even with the letter MCPS will send with transcripts explaining the change. I also have a 9th grader and have no issues with the new grading system overall.
Teacher here. A C in a MCPS course is pretty bad. It means your kid doesn’t know the content. It is not hard to earn a C. Either your kid is not understanding the content even at a basic level or your kid has bad executive functioning and is not turning in assignments. Does your kid ever go to office hours for extra support?
He just wasn't putting in the work. It was a hard class that was not in his comfort zone and he shut down. We actually know plenty of kids with Cs in MCPS courses (it was just the first time for my kid). Some kids struggle with ADHD, LDs, etc. I don't know what course you teach, but not everyone in MCPS has a 4.9 WGPA, even though you'd think that's the case from reading DCUM!
My apologies for boasting, but my kid with ADHD and learning disabilities had a 4.67 weighted high school GPA when he applied for college. Please don't use these diagnoses as an excuse for poor performance. They can explain some academic struggles, I agree. But then what do you do? Shrug and say "oh he's hit his ceiling"? Or actually do something about it?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:First year teacher here so i cant compare to previous years but 40% of my 9th graders failed semester 1 of Honors English 9
??? Are you in a low-income neighborhood?
I am outside the Beltway. That is all i will say
That's unusually low. If it's in-line with your school's previous achievement, it's not you. If it's not, it's you. Be prepared to document how you did things.
It was because of zeros. We had 12 AT assignments and 12 PP assignments in Q2. 24 assignments. The kids who failed on average had 18 missing assignments. I even disobeyed the grading policy and had unlimited deadlines. Nothing. Even the
12 PP is way too much, given that each one counts for less than 1% of their grade and they could, in theory, skip all of them and still get a 90%, if they were perfect in All Tasks. I recommend going for the minimum allowed: 10 AT and 5 PP. If every teacher did this, they still then have 30 assignments per semester or more like 150 to 200 per semester, which, frankly, is still absurd if you think about it.
So does that mean you just don’t grade a bunch of assignments? What are the kids doing every day? I’m not sure what you teach but for challenging STEM classes, doing a good job on multiple practice/prep assignments means you will probably do well on the corresponding All Task assignment. And we work on the practice assignments in class so if students are effectively using class time and not goofing off, then it shouldn’t matter how many Practice assignments there are
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:First year teacher here so i cant compare to previous years but 40% of my 9th graders failed semester 1 of Honors English 9
??? Are you in a low-income neighborhood?
I am outside the Beltway. That is all i will say
That's unusually low. If it's in-line with your school's previous achievement, it's not you. If it's not, it's you. Be prepared to document how you did things.
It was because of zeros. We had 12 AT assignments and 12 PP assignments in Q2. 24 assignments. The kids who failed on average had 18 missing assignments. I even disobeyed the grading policy and had unlimited deadlines. Nothing. Even the
12 PP is way too much, given that each one counts for less than 1% of their grade and they could, in theory, skip all of them and still get a 90%, if they were perfect in All Tasks. I recommend going for the minimum allowed: 10 AT and 5 PP. If every teacher did this, they still then have 30 assignments per semester or more like 150 to 200 per semester, which, frankly, is still absurd if you think about it.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have a copy of the letter that MCPS will send with transcripts? This is news to me as a parent of a junior.
I just looked at the high school profile that is sent to colleges with transcripts for my current senior. It has a small note at the bottom that says: “ Beginning in 2025-2026, MCPS final course grades will be calculated using the average marking period percentages, which may affect GPAs. Grades on transcripts from 2025-2026 forward may not be directly comparable to those from prior years. For details, visit www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/curriculum/grading-and-reporting.”
It’s possible other schools will make this more prominent, but it’s easy to miss on my school’s profile.