My niece was killed along with two of her roommates when her off campus group house went up in flames. Many rental properties in college towns are not adequately inspected and don’t have sprinkler systems. Be careful and ensure your kid’s off campus housing has working smoke detectors and a clear path to escape.

Sounds like it's a problem in California

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Anonymous wrote:UMass Amherst

Could you expand on that?

https://offcampushousing.umass.edu/housing Have a gander at these prices. The town is run by 70 year olds who hate students and want the place to look like it did when they were children. They get mad both when private developers try building apartments in town and when the university tries building dorms on its own land. It's horrid

You could also have a gander at rent prices in the surrounding area, which are among the lowest in the entire country.

Do you know anything about the area? You're not getting low rents in Northampton, Sunderland, or anywhere within 30 minutes of campus without qualifying for "affordable housing" (which students typically are not eligible for)

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Anonymous wrote:A good question to ask when touring schools or when reps visit.

I was surprised how few upperclassmen at U Mich live on campus. When you have huge universities, they just don’t have a lot of housing stock relative to the size of the student population

Most upperclassmen don't live on campus in general - unless it's a tiny SLAC.

Not true. Most of the ivies have on campus housing all 4 years.

Maybe half of the ivies. I know that the ones that guarantee 4 years of on-campus housing are Harvard, Princeton, Columbia (not sure if this will continue with the increasing class size) and I believe Brown.

Yale, Dartmouth, Cornell and UPenn guarantee only 2 years.

Right. Not all if the Ivies offer four year housing. Harvard and Yale do because og the original “house” system they
both started. At Yale, you go right into your @house” and often live there all four years. At Harvard, all freshman go into
Harvard yard then deject their houses for tears 2, 3, and 4.

Wrong. Harvard guarantees 4 years of housing (my DC attends). Princeton does too. Yale definitely does NOT guarantee 4 years of housing.

https://housing.yale.edu/undergraduate-housing/yale-college-undergraduate-regulations

I’m an alum and was surprised to learn this on the tour (and it’s confirmed elsewhere). I was also surprised and saddened to learn that about half (can’t remember if it’s 40% or 60%) of juniors and seniors now live off campus. This really changes the residential college experience that drew me to Yale. But it’s also part of the reason that Yale was able to increase its class size (starting with class of 2029).

Anonymous wrote:UC Santa Barbara has (or had) students living in cars. Completely unacceptable.

So has UC Santa Cruz. There’s a YouTube video where a student explained how to do it.

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Anonymous wrote:UC Santa Cruz and UC Santa Barbara are the worst.

And Berkeley.

At least at Cal, the East Bay is urban with lots of transit. There is lots of housing. At UC Santa Cruz and UCSB, there’s hardly anything.

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Anonymous wrote:UMass Amherst

Could you expand on that?

https://offcampushousing.umass.edu/housing Have a gander at these prices. The town is run by 70 year olds who hate students and want the place to look like it did when they were children. They get mad both when private developers try building apartments in town and when the university tries building dorms on its own land. It's horrid

You could also have a gander at rent prices in the surrounding area, which are among the lowest in the entire country.

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Anonymous wrote:A good question to ask when touring schools or when reps visit.

I was surprised how few upperclassmen at U Mich live on campus. When you have huge universities, they just don’t have a lot of housing stock relative to the size of the student population

Most upperclassmen don't live on campus in general - unless it's a tiny SLAC.

Not true. Most of the ivies have on campus housing all 4 years.

Maybe half of the ivies. I know that the ones that guarantee 4 years of on-campus housing are Harvard, Princeton, Columbia (not sure if this will continue with the increasing class size) and I believe Brown.

Yale, Dartmouth, Cornell and UPenn guarantee only 2 years.

Right. Not all if the Ivies offer four year housing. Harvard and Yale do because og the original “house” system they
both started. At Yale, you go right into your @house” and often live there all four years. At Harvard, all freshman go into
Harvard yard then deject their houses for tears 2, 3, and 4.

I can’t remember if it was Franklin &Marsgall or Dickinson. But on one of those tours, they said they were told to tell tour participants that the portables (trailers) were temporary—year after year.

Anonymous wrote:UC Santa Cruz and UC Santa Barbara are the worst.

Also, Occidental. My friend was one of 3 in a double. Her desk was in the closet. 😯

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Anonymous wrote:A good question to ask when touring schools or when reps visit.

I was surprised how few upperclassmen at U Mich live on campus. When you have huge universities, they just don’t have a lot of housing stock relative to the size of the student population

Most upperclassmen don't live on campus in general - unless it's a tiny SLAC.

Not true. Most of the ivies have on campus housing all 4 years.

Maybe half of the ivies. I know that the ones that guarantee 4 years of on-campus housing are Harvard, Princeton, Columbia (not sure if this will continue with the increasing class size) and I believe Brown.

Yale, Dartmouth, Cornell and UPenn guarantee only 2 years.

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Anonymous wrote:4 years of guaranteed housing was a really important criteria for us, DC still applied to and was accepted at several that didn't have it. UMich the freshmen start having to deal with it early in their first year as they have to commit to roommates and apartments early in spring semester. Rice has Juniors move off campus and then move back as seniors and many schools (including Georgetown) have triples in room intended as singles.

That's weird re: Rice. So Freshmen, Soph and Seniors have to live on campus but not juniors? Is that study abroad is so popular?

BC has a similar system.

Anonymous wrote:4 years of guaranteed housing was a really important criteria for us, DC still applied to and was accepted at several that didn't have it. UMich the freshmen start having to deal with it early in their first year as they have to commit to roommates and apartments early in spring semester. Rice has Juniors move off campus and then move back as seniors and many schools (including Georgetown) have triples in room intended as singles.

This is totally normal at schools throughout the country.

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I was surprised how few upperclassmen at U Mich live on campus. When you have huge universities, they just don’t have a lot of housing stock relative to the size of the student population

Most upperclassmen don't live on campus in general - unless it's a tiny SLAC.

Not true. Most of the ivies have on campus housing all 4 years.

As my kid said to me when I tried to get her interested in Ivy-type schools, those are basically LACs too.

Well, your kid’s an idiot.

DP. Aren't you charming! The PP is correct. If you're not interested in LACs, you're probably not going to be interested in Ivies.

Anonymous wrote:Also at some schools they may just not feel there's demand for more upperclassman housing it's a big gamble to have hundreds of vacant rooms

Exactly. Most upperclassmen *want* to live off-campus.