Anonymous wrote:Have had kids at both of these schools. Similar in size, but that’s about it. In terms of facilities and buildings, William & Mary is leaps & bounds behind Wake- it’s where you can tell the difference between a public and a private school. Whoever said Wake is more country club is spot on. Lots of wealth on that campus, whereas W&M is more economically balanced as a state school. Campus populations reflect that- not a lot of folks at W&M is wearing Golden Goose and driving Land Rovers, which seems to be the standard at Wake.

Not a lot to do for social scene at W&M with no sports teams that are great and bars in the Burg not liking college kids.

Both academically rigorous.

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Wm instate COA $45k
WM OOS COA $70k
Wake Forest COA $94k

They are pretty different schools but WM definitely has Wake beat by at least $100-200k over 4 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Have had kids at both of these schools. Similar in size, but that’s about it. In terms of facilities and buildings, William & Mary is leaps & bounds behind Wake- it’s where you can tell the difference between a public and a private school. Whoever said Wake is more country club is spot on. Lots of wealth on that campus, whereas W&M is more economically balanced as a state school. Campus populations reflect that- not a lot of folks at W&M is wearing Golden Goose and driving Land Rovers, which seems to be the standard at Wake.

Not a lot to do for social scene at W&M with no sports teams that are great and bars in the Burg not liking college kids.

Both academically rigorous.

You can't walk anywhere from the Wake campus to stuff though. W&M has four bars right next to the stadium that are packed full of students every Thurs-Sat.

There is a bar called the Filling Station walking distance from upper classmen housing and of course, Reynolda Village across the street from Wake with a restaurant, doughnut place, coffee, ice cream, etc . And there is a huge development going up right now next to Wake’s stadium called the Grounds which will add more restaurants, bars and apartments within walking distance of campus. It will be complete within the next year or so. Winston Salem is also a small city, there are plenty of bars and restaurant downtown or elsewhere around town that are less than a 10 minute uber ride away.

I looked up the bar and it looks like it closes at 10pm. Not really true nightlife. If you have to Uber to the next city over I feel like that doesn't really scream "hopping college town" which is fine but certainly not the way you described it. Safety wise there are for sure benefits to bars and clubs not requiring a drive to get to.

You sound a bit clueless, Wake is in Winston Salem, a city with a population in excess of 250,000. There are plenty of bars and restaurants in the SAME city. If you are trying to argue that there is a better social life at William and Mary, good luck to you, no one is buying that.

Wake up. Wake is in the middle of a sleepy suburban area. If you have to drive everywhere it doesn't count. Is George Mason a super fun social college because it's in a county of 1 million?

Good college towns have fun things to go within WALKING distance of campus. Do you think UVA would be just as fun if everyone had to go downtown instead of having the corner? You can't even get to the Wake football stadium on foot.

Wake is a “hot” school right now specifically for the active social life it offers. Like any other school, it has its faults, but a shortage of social activities is not one of them.

DP: only 19 thousand applicants isn't "hot". Virginia is hot, Duke is hot, UGA is hot. It's a smaller school w great academics and it's become more popular bc it's a superb option for full pay but the average kid still isn't applying there.

UGA is definitely not hot, unless one lives in Georgia. None of the private school kids even consider it.

Who cares what the private school kids do. Not even 10% of the population.

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Anonymous wrote:Have had kids at both of these schools. Similar in size, but that’s about it. In terms of facilities and buildings, William & Mary is leaps & bounds behind Wake- it’s where you can tell the difference between a public and a private school. Whoever said Wake is more country club is spot on. Lots of wealth on that campus, whereas W&M is more economically balanced as a state school. Campus populations reflect that- not a lot of folks at W&M is wearing Golden Goose and driving Land Rovers, which seems to be the standard at Wake.

Not a lot to do for social scene at W&M with no sports teams that are great and bars in the Burg not liking college kids.

Both academically rigorous.

You can't walk anywhere from the Wake campus to stuff though. W&M has four bars right next to the stadium that are packed full of students every Thurs-Sat.

There is a bar called the Filling Station walking distance from upper classmen housing and of course, Reynolda Village across the street from Wake with a restaurant, doughnut place, coffee, ice cream, etc . And there is a huge development going up right now next to Wake’s stadium called the Grounds which will add more restaurants, bars and apartments within walking distance of campus. It will be complete within the next year or so. Winston Salem is also a small city, there are plenty of bars and restaurant downtown or elsewhere around town that are less than a 10 minute uber ride away.

I looked up the bar and it looks like it closes at 10pm. Not really true nightlife. If you have to Uber to the next city over I feel like that doesn't really scream "hopping college town" which is fine but certainly not the way you described it. Safety wise there are for sure benefits to bars and clubs not requiring a drive to get to.

You sound a bit clueless, Wake is in Winston Salem, a city with a population in excess of 250,000. There are plenty of bars and restaurants in the SAME city. If you are trying to argue that there is a better social life at William and Mary, good luck to you, no one is buying that.

Wake up. Wake is in the middle of a sleepy suburban area. If you have to drive everywhere it doesn't count. Is George Mason a super fun social college because it's in a county of 1 million?

Good college towns have fun things to go within WALKING distance of campus. Do you think UVA would be just as fun if everyone had to go downtown instead of having the corner? You can't even get to the Wake football stadium on foot.

Wake is a “hot” school right now specifically for the active social life it offers. Like any other school, it has its faults, but a shortage of social activities is not one of them.

DP: only 19 thousand applicants isn't "hot". Virginia is hot, Duke is hot, UGA is hot. It's a smaller school w great academics and it's become more popular bc it's a superb option for full pay but the average kid still isn't applying there.

UGA is definitely not hot, unless one lives in Georgia. None of the private school kids even consider it.

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Anonymous wrote:Have had kids at both of these schools. Similar in size, but that’s about it. In terms of facilities and buildings, William & Mary is leaps & bounds behind Wake- it’s where you can tell the difference between a public and a private school. Whoever said Wake is more country club is spot on. Lots of wealth on that campus, whereas W&M is more economically balanced as a state school. Campus populations reflect that- not a lot of folks at W&M is wearing Golden Goose and driving Land Rovers, which seems to be the standard at Wake.

Not a lot to do for social scene at W&M with no sports teams that are great and bars in the Burg not liking college kids.

Both academically rigorous.

You can't walk anywhere from the Wake campus to stuff though. W&M has four bars right next to the stadium that are packed full of students every Thurs-Sat.

There is a bar called the Filling Station walking distance from upper classmen housing and of course, Reynolda Village across the street from Wake with a restaurant, doughnut place, coffee, ice cream, etc . And there is a huge development going up right now next to Wake’s stadium called the Grounds which will add more restaurants, bars and apartments within walking distance of campus. It will be complete within the next year or so. Winston Salem is also a small city, there are plenty of bars and restaurant downtown or elsewhere around town that are less than a 10 minute uber ride away.

I looked up the bar and it looks like it closes at 10pm. Not really true nightlife. If you have to Uber to the next city over I feel like that doesn't really scream "hopping college town" which is fine but certainly not the way you described it. Safety wise there are for sure benefits to bars and clubs not requiring a drive to get to.

You sound a bit clueless, Wake is in Winston Salem, a city with a population in excess of 250,000. There are plenty of bars and restaurants in the SAME city. If you are trying to argue that there is a better social life at William and Mary, good luck to you, no one is buying that.

Wake up. Wake is in the middle of a sleepy suburban area. If you have to drive everywhere it doesn't count. Is George Mason a super fun social college because it's in a county of 1 million?

Good college towns have fun things to go within WALKING distance of campus. Do you think UVA would be just as fun if everyone had to go downtown instead of having the corner? You can't even get to the Wake football stadium on foot.

Ah, yes, good old colonial Williamsburg, well known bastion of fun.

You can indeed get to the Wake football stadium on foot.

You're right, there's absolutely nothing other than colonial Williamsburg 🙄.

There's a gazillion cafes and restaurants, a bunch of bars and breweries, a bookstore, ice cream shop, Lululemon, thrift store, boutiques, two art museums, a lake with free kayaking, and miles of hiking trails all within a mile of campus. Don't have to step one foot into colonial town. 15 min bus ride gets you to the outlet mall and Busch Gardens. Does WF even have public transit or are "the poors" without cars stuck in their dorm all day?

You have a strange chip om your shoulder, both schools can be good. Wake runs shuttles to downtown, where they have research buildings and a medical school (also an academic medical center which is nice for premed students), at least once an hour from the main quad. Also has a very active outdoors club that offers hikes and climbs in nearby Pilot Mountain, white water kayaking trips, local mountain biking trips and more. There is both art and anthropology muesems on campus. W-S has its own symphony which performs downtown, and of course Wake has ACC sports. Football team went 9-4 this year and won its bowl game.

Williamsburg has a population of 16,000 and W-S has a population of 255,000, so there is obviously going to be many more stores and restaurants in W-S.

I'm not saying they aren't both good. The wake booster was bashing away about how much more exciting and social it is. If you think Williamsburg is nothing but colonial Williamsburg but Wake is the fun mecca you're not being serious.

The city of Williamsburg itself is for sure very tiny but keep in mind it's a tourist town and the "greater Williamsburg area" or whatever they brand it is over 100k residents. If you're not finding anything to do you're not trying hard enough. I get the point you're making about size but population and proximity don't necessarily make an area more exciting. Charlotesvile is 44k, State College is 41k, please don't try to tell me WS is more exciting than either town because its 5 times the size of those.

Sweetie, you were the one making the absurd claim there were no bars or restaurants for Wake students. I think most kids, via word of mouth, have a very good idea of which of these two schools is considered more “social.” Nothing you post here will change that,

If you have to Uber it's not a "college bar". End of story. If the bar culture was so strong there someone would open one next to campus. It's social because half of the school is in Greek life and that's it.

You are a strange person with a weird vendetta against Wake but I can assure as a parent of a Wake student that they spend plenty of time at bars.

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Anonymous wrote:Have had kids at both of these schools. Similar in size, but that’s about it. In terms of facilities and buildings, William & Mary is leaps & bounds behind Wake- it’s where you can tell the difference between a public and a private school. Whoever said Wake is more country club is spot on. Lots of wealth on that campus, whereas W&M is more economically balanced as a state school. Campus populations reflect that- not a lot of folks at W&M is wearing Golden Goose and driving Land Rovers, which seems to be the standard at Wake.

Not a lot to do for social scene at W&M with no sports teams that are great and bars in the Burg not liking college kids.

Both academically rigorous.

You can't walk anywhere from the Wake campus to stuff though. W&M has four bars right next to the stadium that are packed full of students every Thurs-Sat.

There is a bar called the Filling Station walking distance from upper classmen housing and of course, Reynolda Village across the street from Wake with a restaurant, doughnut place, coffee, ice cream, etc . And there is a huge development going up right now next to Wake’s stadium called the Grounds which will add more restaurants, bars and apartments within walking distance of campus. It will be complete within the next year or so. Winston Salem is also a small city, there are plenty of bars and restaurant downtown or elsewhere around town that are less than a 10 minute uber ride away.

I looked up the bar and it looks like it closes at 10pm. Not really true nightlife. If you have to Uber to the next city over I feel like that doesn't really scream "hopping college town" which is fine but certainly not the way you described it. Safety wise there are for sure benefits to bars and clubs not requiring a drive to get to.

You sound a bit clueless, Wake is in Winston Salem, a city with a population in excess of 250,000. There are plenty of bars and restaurants in the SAME city. If you are trying to argue that there is a better social life at William and Mary, good luck to you, no one is buying that.

Wake up. Wake is in the middle of a sleepy suburban area. If you have to drive everywhere it doesn't count. Is George Mason a super fun social college because it's in a county of 1 million?

Good college towns have fun things to go within WALKING distance of campus. Do you think UVA would be just as fun if everyone had to go downtown instead of having the corner? You can't even get to the Wake football stadium on foot.

Wake is a “hot” school right now specifically for the active social life it offers. Like any other school, it has its faults, but a shortage of social activities is not one of them.

DP: only 19 thousand applicants isn't "hot". Virginia is hot, Duke is hot, UGA is hot. It's a smaller school w great academics and it's become more popular bc it's a superb option for full pay but the average kid still isn't applying there.

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Anonymous wrote:Have had kids at both of these schools. Similar in size, but that’s about it. In terms of facilities and buildings, William & Mary is leaps & bounds behind Wake- it’s where you can tell the difference between a public and a private school. Whoever said Wake is more country club is spot on. Lots of wealth on that campus, whereas W&M is more economically balanced as a state school. Campus populations reflect that- not a lot of folks at W&M is wearing Golden Goose and driving Land Rovers, which seems to be the standard at Wake.

Not a lot to do for social scene at W&M with no sports teams that are great and bars in the Burg not liking college kids.

Both academically rigorous.

You can't walk anywhere from the Wake campus to stuff though. W&M has four bars right next to the stadium that are packed full of students every Thurs-Sat.

There is a bar called the Filling Station walking distance from upper classmen housing and of course, Reynolda Village across the street from Wake with a restaurant, doughnut place, coffee, ice cream, etc . And there is a huge development going up right now next to Wake’s stadium called the Grounds which will add more restaurants, bars and apartments within walking distance of campus. It will be complete within the next year or so. Winston Salem is also a small city, there are plenty of bars and restaurant downtown or elsewhere around town that are less than a 10 minute uber ride away.

I looked up the bar and it looks like it closes at 10pm. Not really true nightlife. If you have to Uber to the next city over I feel like that doesn't really scream "hopping college town" which is fine but certainly not the way you described it. Safety wise there are for sure benefits to bars and clubs not requiring a drive to get to.

You sound a bit clueless, Wake is in Winston Salem, a city with a population in excess of 250,000. There are plenty of bars and restaurants in the SAME city. If you are trying to argue that there is a better social life at William and Mary, good luck to you, no one is buying that.

Wake up. Wake is in the middle of a sleepy suburban area. If you have to drive everywhere it doesn't count. Is George Mason a super fun social college because it's in a county of 1 million?

Good college towns have fun things to go within WALKING distance of campus. Do you think UVA would be just as fun if everyone had to go downtown instead of having the corner? You can't even get to the Wake football stadium on foot.

Ah, yes, good old colonial Williamsburg, well known bastion of fun.

You can indeed get to the Wake football stadium on foot.

You're right, there's absolutely nothing other than colonial Williamsburg 🙄.

There's a gazillion cafes and restaurants, a bunch of bars and breweries, a bookstore, ice cream shop, Lululemon, thrift store, boutiques, two art museums, a lake with free kayaking, and miles of hiking trails all within a mile of campus. Don't have to step one foot into colonial town. 15 min bus ride gets you to the outlet mall and Busch Gardens. Does WF even have public transit or are "the poors" without cars stuck in their dorm all day?

You have a strange chip om your shoulder, both schools can be good. Wake runs shuttles to downtown, where they have research buildings and a medical school (also an academic medical center which is nice for premed students), at least once an hour from the main quad. Also has a very active outdoors club that offers hikes and climbs in nearby Pilot Mountain, white water kayaking trips, local mountain biking trips and more. There is both art and anthropology muesems on campus. W-S has its own symphony which performs downtown, and of course Wake has ACC sports. Football team went 9-4 this year and won its bowl game.

Williamsburg has a population of 16,000 and W-S has a population of 255,000, so there is obviously going to be many more stores and restaurants in W-S.

I'm not saying they aren't both good. The wake booster was bashing away about how much more exciting and social it is. If you think Williamsburg is nothing but colonial Williamsburg but Wake is the fun mecca you're not being serious.

The city of Williamsburg itself is for sure very tiny but keep in mind it's a tourist town and the "greater Williamsburg area" or whatever they brand it is over 100k residents. If you're not finding anything to do you're not trying hard enough. I get the point you're making about size but population and proximity don't necessarily make an area more exciting. Charlotesvile is 44k, State College is 41k, please don't try to tell me WS is more exciting than either town because its 5 times the size of those.

Sweetie, you were the one making the absurd claim there were no bars or restaurants for Wake students. I think most kids, via word of mouth, have a very good idea of which of these two schools is considered more “social.” Nothing you post here will change that,

If you have to Uber it's not a "college bar". End of story. If the bar culture was so strong there someone would open one next to campus. It's social because half of the school is in Greek life and that's it.

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Anonymous wrote:Have had kids at both of these schools. Similar in size, but that’s about it. In terms of facilities and buildings, William & Mary is leaps & bounds behind Wake- it’s where you can tell the difference between a public and a private school. Whoever said Wake is more country club is spot on. Lots of wealth on that campus, whereas W&M is more economically balanced as a state school. Campus populations reflect that- not a lot of folks at W&M is wearing Golden Goose and driving Land Rovers, which seems to be the standard at Wake.

Not a lot to do for social scene at W&M with no sports teams that are great and bars in the Burg not liking college kids.

Both academically rigorous.

You can't walk anywhere from the Wake campus to stuff though. W&M has four bars right next to the stadium that are packed full of students every Thurs-Sat.

There is a bar called the Filling Station walking distance from upper classmen housing and of course, Reynolda Village across the street from Wake with a restaurant, doughnut place, coffee, ice cream, etc . And there is a huge development going up right now next to Wake’s stadium called the Grounds which will add more restaurants, bars and apartments within walking distance of campus. It will be complete within the next year or so. Winston Salem is also a small city, there are plenty of bars and restaurant downtown or elsewhere around town that are less than a 10 minute uber ride away.

I looked up the bar and it looks like it closes at 10pm. Not really true nightlife. If you have to Uber to the next city over I feel like that doesn't really scream "hopping college town" which is fine but certainly not the way you described it. Safety wise there are for sure benefits to bars and clubs not requiring a drive to get to.

You sound a bit clueless, Wake is in Winston Salem, a city with a population in excess of 250,000. There are plenty of bars and restaurants in the SAME city. If you are trying to argue that there is a better social life at William and Mary, good luck to you, no one is buying that.

Wake up. Wake is in the middle of a sleepy suburban area. If you have to drive everywhere it doesn't count. Is George Mason a super fun social college because it's in a county of 1 million?

Good college towns have fun things to go within WALKING distance of campus. Do you think UVA would be just as fun if everyone had to go downtown instead of having the corner? You can't even get to the Wake football stadium on foot.

Ah, yes, good old colonial Williamsburg, well known bastion of fun.

You can indeed get to the Wake football stadium on foot.

You're right, there's absolutely nothing other than colonial Williamsburg 🙄.

There's a gazillion cafes and restaurants, a bunch of bars and breweries, a bookstore, ice cream shop, Lululemon, thrift store, boutiques, two art museums, a lake with free kayaking, and miles of hiking trails all within a mile of campus. Don't have to step one foot into colonial town. 15 min bus ride gets you to the outlet mall and Busch Gardens. Does WF even have public transit or are "the poors" without cars stuck in their dorm all day?

You have a strange chip om your shoulder, both schools can be good. Wake runs shuttles to downtown, where they have research buildings and a medical school (also an academic medical center which is nice for premed students), at least once an hour from the main quad. Also has a very active outdoors club that offers hikes and climbs in nearby Pilot Mountain, white water kayaking trips, local mountain biking trips and more. There is both art and anthropology muesems on campus. W-S has its own symphony which performs downtown, and of course Wake has ACC sports. Football team went 9-4 this year and won its bowl game.

Williamsburg has a population of 16,000 and W-S has a population of 255,000, so there is obviously going to be many more stores and restaurants in W-S.

I'm not saying they aren't both good. The wake booster was bashing away about how much more exciting and social it is. If you think Williamsburg is nothing but colonial Williamsburg but Wake is the fun mecca you're not being serious.

The city of Williamsburg itself is for sure very tiny but keep in mind it's a tourist town and the "greater Williamsburg area" or whatever they brand it is over 100k residents. If you're not finding anything to do you're not trying hard enough. I get the point you're making about size but population and proximity don't necessarily make an area more exciting. Charlotesvile is 44k, State College is 41k, please don't try to tell me WS is more exciting than either town because its 5 times the size of those.

Sweetie, you were the one making the absurd claim there were no bars or restaurants for Wake students. I think most kids, via word of mouth, have a very good idea of which of these two schools is considered more “social.” Nothing you post here will change that,

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Anonymous wrote:Have had kids at both of these schools. Similar in size, but that’s about it. In terms of facilities and buildings, William & Mary is leaps & bounds behind Wake- it’s where you can tell the difference between a public and a private school. Whoever said Wake is more country club is spot on. Lots of wealth on that campus, whereas W&M is more economically balanced as a state school. Campus populations reflect that- not a lot of folks at W&M is wearing Golden Goose and driving Land Rovers, which seems to be the standard at Wake.

Not a lot to do for social scene at W&M with no sports teams that are great and bars in the Burg not liking college kids.

Both academically rigorous.

You can't walk anywhere from the Wake campus to stuff though. W&M has four bars right next to the stadium that are packed full of students every Thurs-Sat.

There is a bar called the Filling Station walking distance from upper classmen housing and of course, Reynolda Village across the street from Wake with a restaurant, doughnut place, coffee, ice cream, etc . And there is a huge development going up right now next to Wake’s stadium called the Grounds which will add more restaurants, bars and apartments within walking distance of campus. It will be complete within the next year or so. Winston Salem is also a small city, there are plenty of bars and restaurant downtown or elsewhere around town that are less than a 10 minute uber ride away.

I looked up the bar and it looks like it closes at 10pm. Not really true nightlife. If you have to Uber to the next city over I feel like that doesn't really scream "hopping college town" which is fine but certainly not the way you described it. Safety wise there are for sure benefits to bars and clubs not requiring a drive to get to.

You sound a bit clueless, Wake is in Winston Salem, a city with a population in excess of 250,000. There are plenty of bars and restaurants in the SAME city. If you are trying to argue that there is a better social life at William and Mary, good luck to you, no one is buying that.

Wake up. Wake is in the middle of a sleepy suburban area. If you have to drive everywhere it doesn't count. Is George Mason a super fun social college because it's in a county of 1 million?

Good college towns have fun things to go within WALKING distance of campus. Do you think UVA would be just as fun if everyone had to go downtown instead of having the corner? You can't even get to the Wake football stadium on foot.

Wake is a “hot” school right now specifically for the active social life it offers. Like any other school, it has its faults, but a shortage of social activities is not one of them.

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Anonymous wrote:Have had kids at both of these schools. Similar in size, but that’s about it. In terms of facilities and buildings, William & Mary is leaps & bounds behind Wake- it’s where you can tell the difference between a public and a private school. Whoever said Wake is more country club is spot on. Lots of wealth on that campus, whereas W&M is more economically balanced as a state school. Campus populations reflect that- not a lot of folks at W&M is wearing Golden Goose and driving Land Rovers, which seems to be the standard at Wake.

Not a lot to do for social scene at W&M with no sports teams that are great and bars in the Burg not liking college kids.

Both academically rigorous.

You can't walk anywhere from the Wake campus to stuff though. W&M has four bars right next to the stadium that are packed full of students every Thurs-Sat.

There is a bar called the Filling Station walking distance from upper classmen housing and of course, Reynolda Village across the street from Wake with a restaurant, doughnut place, coffee, ice cream, etc . And there is a huge development going up right now next to Wake’s stadium called the Grounds which will add more restaurants, bars and apartments within walking distance of campus. It will be complete within the next year or so. Winston Salem is also a small city, there are plenty of bars and restaurant downtown or elsewhere around town that are less than a 10 minute uber ride away.

I looked up the bar and it looks like it closes at 10pm. Not really true nightlife. If you have to Uber to the next city over I feel like that doesn't really scream "hopping college town" which is fine but certainly not the way you described it. Safety wise there are for sure benefits to bars and clubs not requiring a drive to get to.

You sound a bit clueless, Wake is in Winston Salem, a city with a population in excess of 250,000. There are plenty of bars and restaurants in the SAME city. If you are trying to argue that there is a better social life at William and Mary, good luck to you, no one is buying that.

Wake up. Wake is in the middle of a sleepy suburban area. If you have to drive everywhere it doesn't count. Is George Mason a super fun social college because it's in a county of 1 million?

Good college towns have fun things to go within WALKING distance of campus. Do you think UVA would be just as fun if everyone had to go downtown instead of having the corner? You can't even get to the Wake football stadium on foot.

Ah, yes, good old colonial Williamsburg, well known bastion of fun.

You can indeed get to the Wake football stadium on foot.

You're right, there's absolutely nothing other than colonial Williamsburg 🙄.

There's a gazillion cafes and restaurants, a bunch of bars and breweries, a bookstore, ice cream shop, Lululemon, thrift store, boutiques, two art museums, a lake with free kayaking, and miles of hiking trails all within a mile of campus. Don't have to step one foot into colonial town. 15 min bus ride gets you to the outlet mall and Busch Gardens. Does WF even have public transit or are "the poors" without cars stuck in their dorm all day?

You have a strange chip om your shoulder, both schools can be good. Wake runs shuttles to downtown, where they have research buildings and a medical school (also an academic medical center which is nice for premed students), at least once an hour from the main quad. Also has a very active outdoors club that offers hikes and climbs in nearby Pilot Mountain, white water kayaking trips, local mountain biking trips and more. There is both art and anthropology muesems on campus. W-S has its own symphony which performs downtown, and of course Wake has ACC sports. Football team went 9-4 this year and won its bowl game.

Williamsburg has a population of 16,000 and W-S has a population of 255,000, so there is obviously going to be many more stores and restaurants in W-S.

I'm not saying they aren't both good. The wake booster was bashing away about how much more exciting and social it is. If you think Williamsburg is nothing but colonial Williamsburg but Wake is the fun mecca you're not being serious.

The city of Williamsburg itself is for sure very tiny but keep in mind it's a tourist town and the "greater Williamsburg area" or whatever they brand it is over 100k residents. If you're not finding anything to do you're not trying hard enough. I get the point you're making about size but population and proximity don't necessarily make an area more exciting. Charlotesvile is 44k, State College is 41k, please don't try to tell me WS is more exciting than either town because its 5 times the size of those.

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Not a lot to do for social scene at W&M with no sports teams that are great and bars in the Burg not liking college kids.

Both academically rigorous.

You can't walk anywhere from the Wake campus to stuff though. W&M has four bars right next to the stadium that are packed full of students every Thurs-Sat.

There is a bar called the Filling Station walking distance from upper classmen housing and of course, Reynolda Village across the street from Wake with a restaurant, doughnut place, coffee, ice cream, etc . And there is a huge development going up right now next to Wake’s stadium called the Grounds which will add more restaurants, bars and apartments within walking distance of campus. It will be complete within the next year or so. Winston Salem is also a small city, there are plenty of bars and restaurant downtown or elsewhere around town that are less than a 10 minute uber ride away.

I looked up the bar and it looks like it closes at 10pm. Not really true nightlife. If you have to Uber to the next city over I feel like that doesn't really scream "hopping college town" which is fine but certainly not the way you described it. Safety wise there are for sure benefits to bars and clubs not requiring a drive to get to.

You sound a bit clueless, Wake is in Winston Salem, a city with a population in excess of 250,000. There are plenty of bars and restaurants in the SAME city. If you are trying to argue that there is a better social life at William and Mary, good luck to you, no one is buying that.

Wake up. Wake is in the middle of a sleepy suburban area. If you have to drive everywhere it doesn't count. Is George Mason a super fun social college because it's in a county of 1 million?

Good college towns have fun things to go within WALKING distance of campus. Do you think UVA would be just as fun if everyone had to go downtown instead of having the corner? You can't even get to the Wake football stadium on foot.

Ah, yes, good old colonial Williamsburg, well known bastion of fun.

You can indeed get to the Wake football stadium on foot.

You're right, there's absolutely nothing other than colonial Williamsburg 🙄.

There's a gazillion cafes and restaurants, a bunch of bars and breweries, a bookstore, ice cream shop, Lululemon, thrift store, boutiques, two art museums, a lake with free kayaking, and miles of hiking trails all within a mile of campus. Don't have to step one foot into colonial town. 15 min bus ride gets you to the outlet mall and Busch Gardens. Does WF even have public transit or are "the poors" without cars stuck in their dorm all day?

You have a strange chip om your shoulder, both schools can be good. Wake runs shuttles to downtown, where they have research buildings and a medical school (also an academic medical center which is nice for premed students), at least once an hour from the main quad. Also has a very active outdoors club that offers hikes and climbs in nearby Pilot Mountain, white water kayaking trips, local mountain biking trips and more. There is both art and anthropology muesems on campus. W-S has its own symphony which performs downtown, and of course Wake has ACC sports. Football team went 9-4 this year and won its bowl game.

Williamsburg has a population of 16,000 and W-S has a population of 255,000, so there is obviously going to be many more stores and restaurants in W-S.

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Anonymous wrote:Have had kids at both of these schools. Similar in size, but that’s about it. In terms of facilities and buildings, William & Mary is leaps & bounds behind Wake- it’s where you can tell the difference between a public and a private school. Whoever said Wake is more country club is spot on. Lots of wealth on that campus, whereas W&M is more economically balanced as a state school. Campus populations reflect that- not a lot of folks at W&M is wearing Golden Goose and driving Land Rovers, which seems to be the standard at Wake.

Not a lot to do for social scene at W&M with no sports teams that are great and bars in the Burg not liking college kids.

Both academically rigorous.

You can't walk anywhere from the Wake campus to stuff though. W&M has four bars right next to the stadium that are packed full of students every Thurs-Sat.

There is a bar called the Filling Station walking distance from upper classmen housing and of course, Reynolda Village across the street from Wake with a restaurant, doughnut place, coffee, ice cream, etc . And there is a huge development going up right now next to Wake’s stadium called the Grounds which will add more restaurants, bars and apartments within walking distance of campus. It will be complete within the next year or so. Winston Salem is also a small city, there are plenty of bars and restaurant downtown or elsewhere around town that are less than a 10 minute uber ride away.

I looked up the bar and it looks like it closes at 10pm. Not really true nightlife. If you have to Uber to the next city over I feel like that doesn't really scream "hopping college town" which is fine but certainly not the way you described it. Safety wise there are for sure benefits to bars and clubs not requiring a drive to get to.

You sound a bit clueless, Wake is in Winston Salem, a city with a population in excess of 250,000. There are plenty of bars and restaurants in the SAME city. If you are trying to argue that there is a better social life at William and Mary, good luck to you, no one is buying that.

Wake up. Wake is in the middle of a sleepy suburban area. If you have to drive everywhere it doesn't count. Is George Mason a super fun social college because it's in a county of 1 million?

Good college towns have fun things to go within WALKING distance of campus. Do you think UVA would be just as fun if everyone had to go downtown instead of having the corner? You can't even get to the Wake football stadium on foot.