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Anonymous wrote:I don’t vaccinate my girls for most of the required vaccinations (not including flu or covid, which we don’t vaccinate for either) only a few that we think were/are more necessary.

They’re 5 & 8, perfectly healthy kids.

Until they get measles

We vaccinate selectively and do include MMR and DTaP.

Where’d you get your medical degree?

My husband and I are highly educated professionals.. Let parents make their own choices

I would make the decision never to have your children anywhere near mine, and I’d tell all the other parents why as well.

I’m okay with that.
Like I said before, we believe in parental freedom (including yours) and do all natural parenting.

And we are free to shun you and shout to the world why.

What disease is everyone worried about?

We do vaccinate against measles.

What diseases do you not vaccinate against? I can’t speak for anyone else, but those are the ones I worry about.

If highly educated MEDICAL professionals have decided that a vaccine is critical enough to the protection of both the public health and that of the individual to mandate it, I am more likely to trust their judgement than yours. The recommendations are based on complications that we’ve largely forgotten about BECAUSE of the vaccines.

I understand caution. I tend to be extremely (overly) cautious, myself. My kids are old enough that thimerasol hadn’t yet been ruled out as a possible cause for autism. When the schools offered thimerasol-free flu vaccines but the pediatrician’s included the preservative, I had them get the vaccine at school - BUT it wasn’t a required vaccine and they still got the vaccine. Similarly, my DD had just reached the recommended age (since they want kids to have it before they become sexually active) for the HPV vaccine when it came out. Knowing my particular daughter was nowhere near being sexually active, and with the vaccine being optional (at least at that time, I don’t know about now), I decided to wait a year in case there were problems that came to light when it was widely administered, but then she got it (and her younger sister got it on the recommended schedule). I had questions about the Varicella (Chicken Pox) vaccine and had a discussion with the pediatrician before my kids had that vaccine, but the doctor was able to address my concerns and they had their vaccine.

Nothing is completely safe. Vaccines can have negative health effects, but those side effects are both far less severe and far less common than the possible consequences of having the actual diseases. If you have questions and concerns, discuss them with your children’s doctor, get a second opinion or even a third, but trust that they know more than you do because they are highly educated and experienced in MEDICINE, and they certainly know more than anyone you’re getting input from on social media (especially me).

Anonymous wrote:OP I would not go near them.

They are too stupid to be around your children.

Horrifyingly dumb.

This. I would not risk measles or whooping cough to make someone else feel better about their dumb choices.

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Anonymous wrote:The nephew is the one at risk.

Your kids are vaccinated so they are safe.

SafER maybe, but not completely safe. My fully vaccinated niece, and several other kids, caught pertussis after spending a week away at camp with an unvaxxed teammate who turned out to be sick.

Then what good were the 4 dtap shots they had by 5?

Anonymous wrote:The nephew is the one at risk.

Your kids are vaccinated so they are safe.

SafER maybe, but not completely safe. My fully vaccinated niece, and several other kids, caught pertussis after spending a week away at camp with an unvaxxed teammate who turned out to be sick.

Anonymous wrote:I was absolutely shocked to find out yesterday that my nephew isnt vaccinated at all. This is the first person that I know of in my family/friend circle.

What does this mean for my kids? Would you stop regular get-togethers?

Families like your nephew's is why my nephew and his wife are staying in Europe to have their baby, and won't come visit the US until s/he has had all vaccinations and will be safe from measles and the like

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t vaccinate my girls for most of the required vaccinations (not including flu or covid, which we don’t vaccinate for either) only a few that we think were/are more necessary.

They’re 5 & 8, perfectly healthy kids.

Until they get measles

We vaccinate selectively and do include MMR and DTaP.

Where’d you get your medical degree?

My husband and I are highly educated professionals.. Let parents make their own choices

I would make the decision never to have your children anywhere near mine, and I’d tell all the other parents why as well.

I’m okay with that.
Like I said before, we believe in parental freedom (including yours) and do all natural parenting.

And we are free to shun you and shout to the world why.

What disease is everyone worried about?

We do vaccinate against measles.

The nephew is the one at risk.

Your kids are vaccinated so they are safe.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t vaccinate my girls for most of the required vaccinations (not including flu or covid, which we don’t vaccinate for either) only a few that we think were/are more necessary.

They’re 5 & 8, perfectly healthy kids.

I’m really happy your kids are perfectly healthy, and I sincerely hope they remain that way. Do you realize that one of the factors that has probably contributed to their health is herd immunity, and that it’s breaking down?

A vaccine won’t make a difference to a child who is never exposed to the disease it was designed to prevent. Because the vast majority of people are vaccinated with highly effective vaccines, your kids have basically been encircled by a fence creating a wide buffer zone making it unlikely that their immune system would ever be confronted with the disease.

However, each person who isn’t vaccinated creates a hole in that fence and reduces the safety zone around your children (just as their lack of vaccination does to others). There won’t be a problem, unless the disease is able to exploit one of those holes so that the chain of exposed patients pierces that safety zone. Should that happen, your kids immune systems will have to fight off that disease without the preparation a vaccine could have provided them.

Here are some short videos from an ER pediatrician about vaccines:

Thanks for your concern but we know what we’re doing. My husband grew up the same way we’re raising our kids and rarely ever got sick. They’ll be okay.

Your DH likely benefitted from the herd immunity created by the vast majority of other families that vaccinated their kids. You are now contributing to the breakdown of that immunity caused by the increasing number of parents not vaccinating their kids. Your kids are not as safe as he was because of people like you.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t vaccinate my girls for most of the required vaccinations (not including flu or covid, which we don’t vaccinate for either) only a few that we think were/are more necessary.

They’re 5 & 8, perfectly healthy kids.

I’m really happy your kids are perfectly healthy, and I sincerely hope they remain that way. Do you realize that one of the factors that has probably contributed to their health is herd immunity, and that it’s breaking down?

A vaccine won’t make a difference to a child who is never exposed to the disease it was designed to prevent. Because the vast majority of people are vaccinated with highly effective vaccines, your kids have basically been encircled by a fence creating a wide buffer zone making it unlikely that their immune system would ever be confronted with the disease.

However, each person who isn’t vaccinated creates a hole in that fence and reduces the safety zone around your children (just as their lack of vaccination does to others). There won’t be a problem, unless the disease is able to exploit one of those holes so that the chain of exposed patients pierces that safety zone. Should that happen, your kids immune systems will have to fight off that disease without the preparation a vaccine could have provided them.

Here are some short videos from an ER pediatrician about vaccines:

Thanks for your concern but we know what we’re doing. My husband grew up the same way we’re raising our kids and rarely ever got sick. They’ll be okay.

Maybe they will, maybe they won't. This is the same complete lack of logic people use when they say "we didn't wear helmets and are fine" or "we never wore seat belts and are fine".

You and your husband are complete morons, and very obviously not "highly" educated, if at all.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t vaccinate my girls for most of the required vaccinations (not including flu or covid, which we don’t vaccinate for either) only a few that we think were/are more necessary.

They’re 5 & 8, perfectly healthy kids.

until they aren’t

1/3 of post pubescent males who contract mumps end up with the virus attacking their testicles, which can result in lifelong fertility issues, not to mention a whole lot of physical discomfort. Hope your nephew never contracts any dangerous childhood diseases.

Two things to consider for the future:

1) If you were considering your nephew’s parents as guardians for your own children in the event that anything happens to you, you should probably revisit that decision.

2) If anyone in your household becomes immunocompromised in the future, in-person visits with nephew’s household should be suspended. I was just diagnosed with cancer and will be starting chemo. In your shoes, I’d miss my nephew, but I wouldn’t take unnecessary risks.

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Anonymous wrote:The reality is your kids being older they'll be ahead on vaccines so they're probably mostly protected from the insane stupidity. But that really shows a stunning lack of judgment and I'd pull back from anyone who engages in that dangerous conspiracy nonsense.

Her 4 yo prob doesnt have his second measles shot yet. I would talk to your ped and consider doing your second one ahead of schedule if your 4 yo is going to be around your nephew. Mine said we could do it early when there was increased transmission this year, but decided against it because rates of vaccination in the DC area are so high.

I would check with the ped about the four yr old. If the ped thinks there’s a risk of getting measles because the four yr hasn’t had the second shot, I would pause get-togethers with the nephew until the four yr old gets the second shot on the regular schedule. I wouldn’t get the second shot early just to make the get-togethers.

Your kids are vaccinated for exactly this reason - to be protected from those who aren’t. It’s absurd you want to stop the get togethers

Anonymous wrote:The reality is your kids being older they'll be ahead on vaccines so they're probably mostly protected from the insane stupidity. But that really shows a stunning lack of judgment and I'd pull back from anyone who engages in that dangerous conspiracy nonsense.

Her 4 yo prob doesnt have his second measles shot yet. I would talk to your ped and consider doing your second one ahead of schedule if your 4 yo is going to be around your nephew. Mine said we could do it early when there was increased transmission this year, but decided against it because rates of vaccination in the DC area are so high.

Anonymous wrote:OP I would not go near them.

They are too stupid to be around your children.

Horrifyingly dumb.

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