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I would agree that Winter Classic and Swim & Rock are very equivalent meets. But Swim & Rock did not have finals all the days, so it is more limited.

KLI is a much faster meet with most of the kids at Winter Classic would not have been able to even swim in the meet. Winter classic does not have time standards. Yes, the top/top swimmers of Winter Classic would final at KLI, but not at the same numbers.

oh BS. Most of the kids in winter classic- at least from the larger teams (e.g. Makos/ Marlins/ AAC/York) absolutely have KLI cuts. I don't know if 'all' of them do- but I would guess its pretty darn close. I don't know enough about the other teams to have an opinion.
Swim and Rock is a fantastic meet- but its nothing like winter classic. Swim and Rock was particularly fast this year, but if you look at what it took to make finals at swim and rock as compared to winter classic the times are multiple seconds apart.

My kid is from one of these larger teams and does not have KLI cuts until this year. They have been coach selected because they could make finals in a few events for the past four years and score points for the team. The majority of our team is probably the same. We do have some really fast kids. National level that could do well at KLI and do very well at Winter Classic. But even though we are a large team we would not have the numbers to send a real contingent to KLI so the meet would probably not be that great socially, etc. Looking at the teams you listed Makos, York, and AAC could probably send 25 kids to KLI each and Marlins perhaps 10. That is not a lot.

There is nothing wrong with this. We chose our club over Machine and NCAP for these kinds of reasons. Makos and York are amazing clubs but also have real team feels to them. Winter Classic is a fun meet and a great prelims/final format so it is an amazing opportunity for the invited clubs.

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I would agree that Winter Classic and Swim & Rock are very equivalent meets. But Swim & Rock did not have finals all the days, so it is more limited.

KLI is a much faster meet with most of the kids at Winter Classic would not have been able to even swim in the meet. Winter classic does not have time standards. Yes, the top/top swimmers of Winter Classic would final at KLI, but not at the same numbers.

oh BS. Most of the kids in winter classic- at least from the larger teams (e.g. Makos/ Marlins/ AAC/York) absolutely have KLI cuts. I don't know if 'all' of them do- but I would guess its pretty darn close. I don't know enough about the other teams to have an opinion.
Swim and Rock is a fantastic meet- but its nothing like winter classic. Swim and Rock was particularly fast this year, but if you look at what it took to make finals at swim and rock as compared to winter classic the times are multiple seconds apart.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does Winter Classic always feel like amateur hour? Every time they are here it is the same issues that they blame on the venue but yet other teams have no problem. Big sigh.

The first thing we need to understand is that this isn't a "Champs Meet". It's just a plain ole LSC sanctioned meet with fancy marketing and/or expensive fees designed to make money for the host club. It's really the same as NCSA's or the Katie Ledecky invite, a meet pretending to be some sort of national level championship meet to entice more swimmers from registering with expensive fees.

After you understand that, then you can understand why things don't run smoothly as that would interfere with the primary objective of making money for the host club.

Sorry to break it to you but both KLI and NCSA’s bring in top swimmers from multiple states making them very competitive championship meets. These aren’t the same swimmers nor is a plain ole LSC meet.

Agree that Winter Classic is not at the same level as NCSAs, or maybe even KLI. However, I tend to think of Winter Classic as the same as a plain ole LSC meet with prelims/finals. It’s not much different than Swim and Rock last month or other prelim/final meets.

I would agree that Winter Classic and Swim & Rock are very equivalent meets. But Swim & Rock did not have finals all the days, so it is more limited.

KLI is a much faster meet with most of the kids at Winter Classic would not have been able to even swim in the meet. Winter classic does not have time standards. Yes, the top/top swimmers of Winter Classic would final at KLI, but not at the same numbers.

And? You needed to add this, why?

Because people are trying to say they are the same - winter classic and KLI, they are not. KLI is a faster meet overall because it has NST in its events. And Turkey Clause iiss the balance of also being fast but not as fast as KLI.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does Winter Classic always feel like amateur hour? Every time they are here it is the same issues that they blame on the venue but yet other teams have no problem. Big sigh.

The first thing we need to understand is that this isn't a "Champs Meet". It's just a plain ole LSC sanctioned meet with fancy marketing and/or expensive fees designed to make money for the host club. It's really the same as NCSA's or the Katie Ledecky invite, a meet pretending to be some sort of national level championship meet to entice more swimmers from registering with expensive fees.

After you understand that, then you can understand why things don't run smoothly as that would interfere with the primary objective of making money for the host club.

Sorry to break it to you but both KLI and NCSA’s bring in top swimmers from multiple states making them very competitive championship meets. These aren’t the same swimmers nor is a plain ole LSC meet.

Agree that Winter Classic is not at the same level as NCSAs, or maybe even KLI. However, I tend to think of Winter Classic as the same as a plain ole LSC meet with prelims/finals. It’s not much different than Swim and Rock last month or other prelim/final meets.

I would agree that Winter Classic and Swim & Rock are very equivalent meets. But Swim & Rock did not have finals all the days, so it is more limited.

KLI is a much faster meet with most of the kids at Winter Classic would not have been able to even swim in the meet. Winter classic does not have time standards. Yes, the top/top swimmers of Winter Classic would final at KLI, but not at the same numbers.

And? You needed to add this, why?

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Anonymous wrote:Why does Winter Classic always feel like amateur hour? Every time they are here it is the same issues that they blame on the venue but yet other teams have no problem. Big sigh.

The first thing we need to understand is that this isn't a "Champs Meet". It's just a plain ole LSC sanctioned meet with fancy marketing and/or expensive fees designed to make money for the host club. It's really the same as NCSA's or the Katie Ledecky invite, a meet pretending to be some sort of national level championship meet to entice more swimmers from registering with expensive fees.

After you understand that, then you can understand why things don't run smoothly as that would interfere with the primary objective of making money for the host club.

Sorry to break it to you but both KLI and NCSA’s bring in top swimmers from multiple states making them very competitive championship meets. These aren’t the same swimmers nor is a plain ole LSC meet.

Agree that Winter Classic is not at the same level as NCSAs, or maybe even KLI. However, I tend to think of Winter Classic as the same as a plain ole LSC meet with prelims/finals. It’s not much different than Swim and Rock last month or other prelim/final meets.

I would agree that Winter Classic and Swim & Rock are very equivalent meets. But Swim & Rock did not have finals all the days, so it is more limited.

KLI is a much faster meet with most of the kids at Winter Classic would not have been able to even swim in the meet. Winter classic does not have time standards. Yes, the top/top swimmers of Winter Classic would final at KLI, but not at the same numbers.

And? You needed to add this, why?

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I would agree that Winter Classic and Swim & Rock are very equivalent meets. But Swim & Rock did not have finals all the days, so it is more limited.

KLI is a much faster meet with most of the kids at Winter Classic would not have been able to even swim in the meet. Winter classic does not have time standards. Yes, the top/top swimmers of Winter Classic would final at KLI, but not at the same numbers.

oh BS. Most of the kids in winter classic- at least from the larger teams (e.g. Makos/ Marlins/ AAC/York) absolutely have KLI cuts. I don't know if 'all' of them do- but I would guess its pretty darn close. I don't know enough about the other teams to have an opinion.
Swim and Rock is a fantastic meet- but its nothing like winter classic. Swim and Rock was particularly fast this year, but if you look at what it took to make finals at swim and rock as compared to winter classic the times are multiple seconds apart.