American adults are dumb too. Look at this board.

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Anonymous wrote:CNN:

“She graduated from a Connecticut High School with Honors, But She Cannot Read”

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/02/27/us/connecticut-aleysha-ortiz-illiterate-lawsuit-cec

What about the Math or Physics competition winners? What about sports competitions? The bottom does not represent all

That's nice that we have math and physics competition winners. But if the average student has declined, this is also your problem, even if your kid is a math champion. We need an educated population for a well-running society. Even for the jobs that don't require a great deal of education, we need undistracted and competent people at the helm.

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless, that doesn’t give the government the right to import labor and suppress wages.

And if those immigrants are truly the brightest, then how is it that their children — who are Americans — are suddenly considered the “dumb” ones?

I'm an immigrant. I don't consider myself particularly bright. I came to the US 25 years ago to start college. Due to the situation in my home country, I barely had any HS education. However, my elementary and MS education were so strong that I did extremely well and had 4.0 GPA (3.9 at graduation) even in a foreign language. My education growing up was extremely rigorous and demanding. And we were really poor too!! Like missing meals kind of poor and not just me but most of the kids. My child has had all of his education in the US. He is in HS now and taking AP classes and just now learning the stuff we learned in elementary school when I was growing up. I don't consider him any less smart than me. I am not that smart! I just know that when you demand a certain result and value education, you have much better outcomes. It's not rocket science.

You just described the result of setting high expectations for students.

Study after study confirms the fact that setting higher expectations leads to greater achievement and success.

America’s failure has been to continually set lower expectations for our students, due to . . . reasons.

Think about it.

Isn't that exactly what I said, lol? Maybe i'm missing something.

I don't think "dumb youth" is a US specific problem. Definitely a global problem, as evidenced by PISA scores being at an all time low. But the problem is real, and denying it makes no sense. We need to do something to reverse the decline for future generations.

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless, that doesn’t give the government the right to import labor and suppress wages.

And if those immigrants are truly the brightest, then how is it that their children — who are Americans — are suddenly considered the “dumb” ones?

I'm an immigrant. I don't consider myself particularly bright. I came to the US 25 years ago to start college. Due to the situation in my home country, I barely had any HS education. However, my elementary and MS education were so strong that I did extremely well and had 4.0 GPA (3.9 at graduation) even in a foreign language. My education growing up was extremely rigorous and demanding. And we were really poor too!! Like missing meals kind of poor and not just me but most of the kids. My child has had all of his education in the US. He is in HS now and taking AP classes and just now learning the stuff we learned in elementary school when I was growing up. I don't consider him any less smart than me. I am not that smart! I just know that when you demand a certain result and value education, you have much better outcomes. It's not rocket science.

You just described the result of setting high expectations for students.

Study after study confirms the fact that setting higher expectations leads to greater achievement and success.

America’s failure has been to continually set lower expectations for our students, due to . . . reasons.

Think about it.

Anonymous wrote:Regardless, that doesn’t give the government the right to import labor and suppress wages.

And if those immigrants are truly the brightest, then how is it that their children — who are Americans — are suddenly considered the “dumb” ones?

I'm an immigrant. I don't consider myself particularly bright. I came to the US 25 years ago to start college. Due to the situation in my home country, I barely had any HS education. However, my elementary and MS education were so strong that I did extremely well and had 4.0 GPA (3.9 at graduation) even in a foreign language. My education growing up was extremely rigorous and demanding. And we were really poor too!! Like missing meals kind of poor and not just me but most of the kids. My child has had all of his education in the US. He is in HS now and taking AP classes and just now learning the stuff we learned in elementary school when I was growing up. I don't consider him any less smart than me. I am not that smart! I just know that when you demand a certain result and value education, you have much better outcomes. It's not rocket science.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN:

“She graduated from a Connecticut High School with Honors, But She Cannot Read”

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/02/27/us/connecticut-aleysha-ortiz-illiterate-lawsuit-cec

What about the Math or Physics competition winners? What about sports competitions? The bottom does not represent all

It isn’t “the bottom” it’s a large majority. Only 35% of 12th graders meet or exceed grade level reading proficiency. Only 22% of 12th graders are at or above grade level math proficiency. These are the lowest scores to date. If you think this doesn’t indicate a big problem with both how kids are parented and how they are educated in schools, I don’t know what to tell you. But yes, it is true, American youth are getting dumber and dumber.

The bottom are getting dumber to your logics not all

One more example of a person not being able to read or write.

You are welcome, your number is not 100%, prove my point

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN:

“She graduated from a Connecticut High School with Honors, But She Cannot Read”

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/02/27/us/connecticut-aleysha-ortiz-illiterate-lawsuit-cec

What about the Math or Physics competition winners? What about sports competitions? The bottom does not represent all

It isn’t “the bottom” it’s a large majority. Only 35% of 12th graders meet or exceed grade level reading proficiency. Only 22% of 12th graders are at or above grade level math proficiency. These are the lowest scores to date. If you think this doesn’t indicate a big problem with both how kids are parented and how they are educated in schools, I don’t know what to tell you. But yes, it is true, American youth are getting dumber and dumber.

The bottom are getting dumber to your logics not all

One more example of a person not being able to read or write.

Regardless, that doesn’t give the government the right to import labor and suppress wages.

And if those immigrants are truly the brightest, then how is it that their children — who are Americans — are suddenly considered the “dumb” ones?

The report itself gives the reason, they leaned into taking more lower SES, English learners.

It's purely demographic.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN:

“She graduated from a Connecticut High School with Honors, But She Cannot Read”

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/02/27/us/connecticut-aleysha-ortiz-illiterate-lawsuit-cec

What about the Math or Physics competition winners? What about sports competitions? The bottom does not represent all

It isn’t “the bottom” it’s a large majority. Only 35% of 12th graders meet or exceed grade level reading proficiency. Only 22% of 12th graders are at or above grade level math proficiency. These are the lowest scores to date. If you think this doesn’t indicate a big problem with both how kids are parented and how they are educated in schools, I don’t know what to tell you. But yes, it is true, American youth are getting dumber and dumber.

The bottom are getting dumber to your logics not all

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Anonymous wrote:Once again, I started this thread to push back against the propaganda that tries to shame or generalize Americans as being dumb. The intent to gaslight people like that is truly malicious.

If you don't think the bottom 70 percent of high school students in America are in trouble, you're not paying attention. It's a very dumbass generation. And I mean that literally. They have the attention span of gnats. They have no sense of facts. They are easily manipulated by whatever the algorithms are throwing their way. They are in deep trouble when it comes to life. It's a problem.

This. It might be more than 70% though.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN:

“She graduated from a Connecticut High School with Honors, But She Cannot Read”

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/02/27/us/connecticut-aleysha-ortiz-illiterate-lawsuit-cec

What about the Math or Physics competition winners? What about sports competitions? The bottom does not represent all

It isn’t “the bottom” it’s a large majority. Only 35% of 12th graders meet or exceed grade level reading proficiency. Only 22% of 12th graders are at or above grade level math proficiency. These are the lowest scores to date. If you think this doesn’t indicate a big problem with both how kids are parented and how they are educated in schools, I don’t know what to tell you. But yes, it is true, American youth are getting dumber and dumber.

It's what happens when you tell generations that they are the best, brightest, most exceptional in the world, but don't actually require much from them. When you concentrate on not achieving but rather on how everyone feels about themselves. If anything, THAT is propaganda and not the data coming in, which clearly shows we failed our kids.

Anonymous wrote:Once again, I started this thread to push back against the propaganda that tries to shame or generalize Americans as being dumb. The intent to gaslight people like that is truly malicious.

If you don't think the bottom 70 percent of high school students in America are in trouble, you're not paying attention. It's a very dumbass generation. And I mean that literally. They have the attention span of gnats. They have no sense of facts. They are easily manipulated by whatever the algorithms are throwing their way. They are in deep trouble when it comes to life. It's a problem.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CNN:

“She graduated from a Connecticut High School with Honors, But She Cannot Read”

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/02/27/us/connecticut-aleysha-ortiz-illiterate-lawsuit-cec

What about the Math or Physics competition winners? What about sports competitions? The bottom does not represent all

Indeed. If you look at this year's IMO (Math Olympiad) v/s questions even from 10 years ago -- most of the top kids have no trouble solving the latter. In fact, some of the IMO questions in recent years have been so hard that even Terry Tao and a bunch of college professors had to "group solve" questions and it took them a couple of hours or more but every member of the US team solved them in the time allotted. So the top echelon is astonishingly proficient.

So specific- not hard. Academics solve certain questions in certain Fields- they aren’t generalists. You don’t go to a guy in abstract algebra to learn about time series

These were college math professors - check out Terry's blog. The questions are a lot harder now. Again, this is not research math etc. but still the point is that the top end in the US is astonishingly talented.