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Anonymous wrote:It used to be that teaching was one of the best jobs around — decent pay, good work–life balance, and a fulfilling career with three months of paid vacation. Yet when I talk to current teachers, they don’t seem to feel that way anymore in any of these areas.

What exactly has changed in recent years that turned teaching from a dream job into such a difficult one? Do you think teachers now see students, administrators, and parents as ungrateful?

Lack of autonomy in the classroom.
Lack of discipline and not being able to discipline problem students.
Federal funding addiction creating problem students who destroy classrooms and schools since they won't kick them out.
Political Correctness stifling a creative learning environment.
Mandatory "continuing education" bs during summer vacations.
Summer vacations cut from 3 months to barely 2 now.
Teacher's unions in many states sucking up their paychecks.

The list goes on.

cry me a river, lol

One of the main reasons people go into teaching is the summers off with the kids. It be what it be.

Pay more and the shorter summer vacation wouldn't be such a thing. Teachers get around $15 per hour as it is. $20-25 per hour average if you work at an inner city school like in The Substitute movies where you deal with stabbings and gang fights.

Complete nonsense. I just checked with a friend at fcps and she makes 85k on a 195 day contract. That's over $50 per hour. And her colleagues who have been there longer than she has make much more, some of them well over six figures. And they are free to work other jobs over the breaks (which my friend does).

DMV big3 Teacher salary is around 60K bases on Glassdoor.

Yeah. Public school pays more than private.

At any rate 60k on a similar length contract is going to be about $38 per hour. Less than $50, but a hell of a lot more than this $15 nonsense PP was spewing.

Here is a link to fcps pay scale. At the top of it, 30 years in with a MA, pay is $125k. That's $78 an hour. And a six figure salary with months -- plural -- off.

If you’re working 40 hour weeks, that pay is good. But when you’re working 65 hour weeks, it’s not. I figure I make a bit less than $30 an hour when I factor in my real hours, not just my contracted ones. That’s not great pay considering my experience and advanced degrees.

And those months off? Again: unpaid. And I often PAY for courses to maintain my certification during those months.

- not FCPS, but the point still stands

A salary is a salary. If you make 80k for a 195-day contract you make 80k. You are neither "unpaid" nor "paid" during the summer. It's not like you are teaching everyday but "unpaid."

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Anonymous wrote:It used to be that teaching was one of the best jobs around — decent pay, good work–life balance, and a fulfilling career with three months of paid vacation. Yet when I talk to current teachers, they don’t seem to feel that way anymore in any of these areas.

What exactly has changed in recent years that turned teaching from a dream job into such a difficult one? Do you think teachers now see students, administrators, and parents as ungrateful?

Lack of autonomy in the classroom.
Lack of discipline and not being able to discipline problem students.
Federal funding addiction creating problem students who destroy classrooms and schools since they won't kick them out.
Political Correctness stifling a creative learning environment.
Mandatory "continuing education" bs during summer vacations.
Summer vacations cut from 3 months to barely 2 now.
Teacher's unions in many states sucking up their paychecks.

The list goes on.

cry me a river, lol

One of the main reasons people go into teaching is the summers off with the kids. It be what it be.

Pay more and the shorter summer vacation wouldn't be such a thing. Teachers get around $15 per hour as it is. $20-25 per hour average if you work at an inner city school like in The Substitute movies where you deal with stabbings and gang fights.

Complete nonsense. I just checked with a friend at fcps and she makes 85k on a 195 day contract. That's over $50 per hour. And her colleagues who have been there longer than she has make much more, some of them well over six figures. And they are free to work other jobs over the breaks (which my friend does).

DMV big3 Teacher salary is around 60K bases on Glassdoor.

Yeah. Public school pays more than private.

At any rate 60k on a similar length contract is going to be about $38 per hour. Less than $50, but a hell of a lot more than this $15 nonsense PP was spewing.

Here is a link to fcps pay scale. At the top of it, 30 years in with a MA, pay is $125k. That's $78 an hour. And a six figure salary with months -- plural -- off.

If you’re working 40 hour weeks, that pay is good. But when you’re working 65 hour weeks, it’s not. I figure I make a bit less than $30 an hour when I factor in my real hours, not just my contracted ones. That’s not great pay considering my experience and advanced degrees.

And those months off? Again: unpaid. And I often PAY for courses to maintain my certification during those months.

- not FCPS, but the point still stands

Anonymous wrote:Decent pay and 3 months of paid vacation has never been true.

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Anonymous wrote:It used to be that teaching was one of the best jobs around — decent pay, good work–life balance, and a fulfilling career with three months of paid vacation. Yet when I talk to current teachers, they don’t seem to feel that way anymore in any of these areas.

What exactly has changed in recent years that turned teaching from a dream job into such a difficult one? Do you think teachers now see students, administrators, and parents as ungrateful?

Lack of autonomy in the classroom.
Lack of discipline and not being able to discipline problem students.
Federal funding addiction creating problem students who destroy classrooms and schools since they won't kick them out.
Political Correctness stifling a creative learning environment.
Mandatory "continuing education" bs during summer vacations.
Summer vacations cut from 3 months to barely 2 now.
Teacher's unions in many states sucking up their paychecks.

The list goes on.

cry me a river, lol

One of the main reasons people go into teaching is the summers off with the kids. It be what it be.

Pay more and the shorter summer vacation wouldn't be such a thing. Teachers get around $15 per hour as it is. $20-25 per hour average if you work at an inner city school like in The Substitute movies where you deal with stabbings and gang fights.

Complete nonsense. I just checked with a friend at fcps and she makes 85k on a 195 day contract. That's over $50 per hour. And her colleagues who have been there longer than she has make much more, some of them well over six figures. And they are free to work other jobs over the breaks (which my friend does).

Even though it might be a nonsense, don't we agree that with 60K a year (no matter how much free time one can have) it is not enough to attracts top talents into teaching that match up the nearly 60K a year tuition? What do the parents think of this?

There is a middleman pocketing the difference.

Does the low salary affect quality of teaching and education in these elite schools? If they pay so little, why is private school even quantitatively better than public school? Other than sports and arts and facilities? I did not ask this to repeat the many nonsense about this debate? But truly wondering.

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Anonymous wrote:It used to be that teaching was one of the best jobs around — decent pay, good work–life balance, and a fulfilling career with three months of paid vacation. Yet when I talk to current teachers, they don’t seem to feel that way anymore in any of these areas.

What exactly has changed in recent years that turned teaching from a dream job into such a difficult one? Do you think teachers now see students, administrators, and parents as ungrateful?

Lack of autonomy in the classroom.
Lack of discipline and not being able to discipline problem students.
Federal funding addiction creating problem students who destroy classrooms and schools since they won't kick them out.
Political Correctness stifling a creative learning environment.
Mandatory "continuing education" bs during summer vacations.
Summer vacations cut from 3 months to barely 2 now.
Teacher's unions in many states sucking up their paychecks.

The list goes on.

cry me a river, lol

One of the main reasons people go into teaching is the summers off with the kids. It be what it be.

Pay more and the shorter summer vacation wouldn't be such a thing. Teachers get around $15 per hour as it is. $20-25 per hour average if you work at an inner city school like in The Substitute movies where you deal with stabbings and gang fights.

Complete nonsense. I just checked with a friend at fcps and she makes 85k on a 195 day contract. That's over $50 per hour. And her colleagues who have been there longer than she has make much more, some of them well over six figures. And they are free to work other jobs over the breaks (which my friend does).

Even though it might be a nonsense, don't we agree that with 60K a year (no matter how much free time one can have) it is not enough to attracts top talents into teaching that match up the nearly 60K a year tuition? What do the parents think of this?

Anonymous wrote:Two things IMO:

(1) Educational standards have changed, making teaching more difficult. Textbooks are not used, which force teachers to come up with curriculum every day and find resources on their own. There are expectations that teachers teach to every level of student, which is, of course, impossible. It's exhausting and you cannot be successful.

(2) Parenting has changed. We wanted to believe that our child's peers would have engaged parents who cared about them and truly wanted to be there for their kids. What we found at private school was that the parents were disengaged and the kids were brats. At public, it was split with the good kids in the advanced classes and the kids with totally checked out parents in the other classes. You cannot teach when the kids don't care to learn.

I wanted to be a teacher and thought I would move to it when my financial situation allowed, but now at age 52, I have no interest in returning. I don't think they want teachers like me who like to teach math by the book with plenty of practice and repetition, regular tests and quizzes with fair grades, and a strict classroom with no phones or devices period.

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Anonymous wrote:It used to be that teaching was one of the best jobs around — decent pay, good work–life balance, and a fulfilling career with three months of paid vacation. Yet when I talk to current teachers, they don’t seem to feel that way anymore in any of these areas.

What exactly has changed in recent years that turned teaching from a dream job into such a difficult one? Do you think teachers now see students, administrators, and parents as ungrateful?

Lack of autonomy in the classroom.
Lack of discipline and not being able to discipline problem students.
Federal funding addiction creating problem students who destroy classrooms and schools since they won't kick them out.
Political Correctness stifling a creative learning environment.
Mandatory "continuing education" bs during summer vacations.
Summer vacations cut from 3 months to barely 2 now.
Teacher's unions in many states sucking up their paychecks.

The list goes on.

cry me a river, lol

One of the main reasons people go into teaching is the summers off with the kids. It be what it be.

Pay more and the shorter summer vacation wouldn't be such a thing. Teachers get around $15 per hour as it is. $20-25 per hour average if you work at an inner city school like in The Substitute movies where you deal with stabbings and gang fights.

Complete nonsense. I just checked with a friend at fcps and she makes 85k on a 195 day contract. That's over $50 per hour. And her colleagues who have been there longer than she has make much more, some of them well over six figures. And they are free to work other jobs over the breaks (which my friend does).

DMV big3 Teacher salary is around 60K bases on Glassdoor.

Yeah. Public school pays more than private.

At any rate 60k on a similar length contract is going to be about $38 per hour. Less than $50, but a hell of a lot more than this $15 nonsense PP was spewing.

Here is a link to fcps pay scale. At the top of it, 30 years in with a MA, pay is $125k. That's $78 an hour. And a six figure salary with months -- plural -- off.

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Anonymous wrote:It used to be that teaching was one of the best jobs around — decent pay, good work–life balance, and a fulfilling career with three months of paid vacation. Yet when I talk to current teachers, they don’t seem to feel that way anymore in any of these areas.

What exactly has changed in recent years that turned teaching from a dream job into such a difficult one? Do you think teachers now see students, administrators, and parents as ungrateful?

Lack of autonomy in the classroom.
Lack of discipline and not being able to discipline problem students.
Federal funding addiction creating problem students who destroy classrooms and schools since they won't kick them out.
Political Correctness stifling a creative learning environment.
Mandatory "continuing education" bs during summer vacations.
Summer vacations cut from 3 months to barely 2 now.
Teacher's unions in many states sucking up their paychecks.

The list goes on.

cry me a river, lol

One of the main reasons people go into teaching is the summers off with the kids. It be what it be.

Pay more and the shorter summer vacation wouldn't be such a thing. Teachers get around $15 per hour as it is. $20-25 per hour average if you work at an inner city school like in The Substitute movies where you deal with stabbings and gang fights.

Complete nonsense. I just checked with a friend at fcps and she makes 85k on a 195 day contract. That's over $50 per hour. And her colleagues who have been there longer than she has make much more, some of them well over six figures. And they are free to work other jobs over the breaks (which my friend does).

Even though it might be a nonsense, don't we agree that with 60K a year (no matter how much free time one can have) it is not enough to attracts top talents into teaching that match up the nearly 60K a year tuition? What do the parents think of this?

There is a middleman pocketing the difference.

Does the low salary affect quality of teaching and education in these elite schools? If they pay so little, why is private school even quantitatively better than public school? Other than sports and arts and facilities? I did not ask this to repeat the many nonsense about this debate? But truly wondering.

Maybe the kids are different and the school overall benefits from having good students.

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Anonymous wrote:It used to be that teaching was one of the best jobs around — decent pay, good work–life balance, and a fulfilling career with three months of paid vacation. Yet when I talk to current teachers, they don’t seem to feel that way anymore in any of these areas.

What exactly has changed in recent years that turned teaching from a dream job into such a difficult one? Do you think teachers now see students, administrators, and parents as ungrateful?

Lack of autonomy in the classroom.
Lack of discipline and not being able to discipline problem students.
Federal funding addiction creating problem students who destroy classrooms and schools since they won't kick them out.
Political Correctness stifling a creative learning environment.
Mandatory "continuing education" bs during summer vacations.
Summer vacations cut from 3 months to barely 2 now.
Teacher's unions in many states sucking up their paychecks.

The list goes on.

cry me a river, lol

One of the main reasons people go into teaching is the summers off with the kids. It be what it be.

Pay more and the shorter summer vacation wouldn't be such a thing. Teachers get around $15 per hour as it is. $20-25 per hour average if you work at an inner city school like in The Substitute movies where you deal with stabbings and gang fights.

Complete nonsense. I just checked with a friend at fcps and she makes 85k on a 195 day contract. That's over $50 per hour. And her colleagues who have been there longer than she has make much more, some of them well over six figures. And they are free to work other jobs over the breaks (which my friend does).

Even though it might be a nonsense, don't we agree that with 60K a year (no matter how much free time one can have) it is not enough to attracts top talents into teaching that match up the nearly 60K a year tuition? What do the parents think of this?

There is a middleman pocketing the difference.

Does the low salary affect quality of teaching and education in these elite schools? If they pay so little, why is private school even quantitatively better than public school? Other than sports and arts and facilities? I did not ask this to repeat the many nonsense about this debate? But truly wondering.

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Anonymous wrote:It used to be that teaching was one of the best jobs around — decent pay, good work–life balance, and a fulfilling career with three months of paid vacation. Yet when I talk to current teachers, they don’t seem to feel that way anymore in any of these areas.

What exactly has changed in recent years that turned teaching from a dream job into such a difficult one? Do you think teachers now see students, administrators, and parents as ungrateful?

Lack of autonomy in the classroom.
Lack of discipline and not being able to discipline problem students.
Federal funding addiction creating problem students who destroy classrooms and schools since they won't kick them out.
Political Correctness stifling a creative learning environment.
Mandatory "continuing education" bs during summer vacations.
Summer vacations cut from 3 months to barely 2 now.
Teacher's unions in many states sucking up their paychecks.

The list goes on.

cry me a river, lol

One of the main reasons people go into teaching is the summers off with the kids. It be what it be.

Pay more and the shorter summer vacation wouldn't be such a thing. Teachers get around $15 per hour as it is. $20-25 per hour average if you work at an inner city school like in The Substitute movies where you deal with stabbings and gang fights.

Complete nonsense. I just checked with a friend at fcps and she makes 85k on a 195 day contract. That's over $50 per hour. And her colleagues who have been there longer than she has make much more, some of them well over six figures. And they are free to work other jobs over the breaks (which my friend does).

Even though it might be a nonsense, don't we agree that with 60K a year (no matter how much free time one can have) it is not enough to attracts top talents into teaching that match up the nearly 60K a year tuition? What do the parents think of this?

There is a middleman pocketing the difference.

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Anonymous wrote:It used to be that teaching was one of the best jobs around — decent pay, good work–life balance, and a fulfilling career with three months of paid vacation. Yet when I talk to current teachers, they don’t seem to feel that way anymore in any of these areas.

What exactly has changed in recent years that turned teaching from a dream job into such a difficult one? Do you think teachers now see students, administrators, and parents as ungrateful?

Lack of autonomy in the classroom.
Lack of discipline and not being able to discipline problem students.
Federal funding addiction creating problem students who destroy classrooms and schools since they won't kick them out.
Political Correctness stifling a creative learning environment.
Mandatory "continuing education" bs during summer vacations.
Summer vacations cut from 3 months to barely 2 now.
Teacher's unions in many states sucking up their paychecks.

The list goes on.

cry me a river, lol

One of the main reasons people go into teaching is the summers off with the kids. It be what it be.

Pay more and the shorter summer vacation wouldn't be such a thing. Teachers get around $15 per hour as it is. $20-25 per hour average if you work at an inner city school like in The Substitute movies where you deal with stabbings and gang fights.

Complete nonsense. I just checked with a friend at fcps and she makes 85k on a 195 day contract. That's over $50 per hour. And her colleagues who have been there longer than she has make much more, some of them well over six figures. And they are free to work other jobs over the breaks (which my friend does).

Even though it might be a nonsense, don't we agree that with 60K a year (no matter how much free time one can have) it is not enough to attracts top talents into teaching that match up the nearly 60K a year tuition? What do the parents think of this?

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Anonymous wrote:It used to be that teaching was one of the best jobs around — decent pay, good work–life balance, and a fulfilling career with three months of paid vacation. Yet when I talk to current teachers, they don’t seem to feel that way anymore in any of these areas.

What exactly has changed in recent years that turned teaching from a dream job into such a difficult one? Do you think teachers now see students, administrators, and parents as ungrateful?

Lack of autonomy in the classroom.
Lack of discipline and not being able to discipline problem students.
Federal funding addiction creating problem students who destroy classrooms and schools since they won't kick them out.
Political Correctness stifling a creative learning environment.
Mandatory "continuing education" bs during summer vacations.
Summer vacations cut from 3 months to barely 2 now.
Teacher's unions in many states sucking up their paychecks.

The list goes on.

cry me a river, lol

One of the main reasons people go into teaching is the summers off with the kids. It be what it be.

Pay more and the shorter summer vacation wouldn't be such a thing. Teachers get around $15 per hour as it is. $20-25 per hour average if you work at an inner city school like in The Substitute movies where you deal with stabbings and gang fights.

Complete nonsense. I just checked with a friend at fcps and she makes 85k on a 195 day contract. That's over $50 per hour. And her colleagues who have been there longer than she has make much more, some of them well over six figures. And they are free to work other jobs over the breaks (which my friend does).

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Anonymous wrote:Two things IMO:

(1) Educational standards have changed, making teaching more difficult. Textbooks are not used, which force teachers to come up with curriculum every day and find resources on their own. There are expectations that teachers teach to every level of student, which is, of course, impossible. It's exhausting and you cannot be successful.

(2) Parenting has changed. We wanted to believe that our child's peers would have engaged parents who cared about them and truly wanted to be there for their kids. What we found at private school was that the parents were disengaged and the kids were brats. At public, it was split with the good kids in the advanced classes and the kids with totally checked out parents in the other classes. You cannot teach when the kids don't care to learn.

I wanted to be a teacher and thought I would move to it when my financial situation allowed, but now at age 52, I have no interest in returning. I don't think they want teachers like me who like to teach math by the book with plenty of practice and repetition, regular tests and quizzes with fair grades, and a strict classroom with no phones or devices period.

It sounds like you are describing WES. Maybe apply there?

Parenting hasn't changed that much. And, many teachers buy a bad curriculum online, few do it themselves.

Parenting has changed a ton. Many parents are overly permissive now and they are also quick to jump in, not allowing their own children to grow/learn from mistakes. I’ve been watching this transition for a couple of decades as a teacher.

As for curriculum, many of us actually do create our own. That’s why we work weekends and summers, giving our own time to improving the lessons we develop. We may purchase the occasional activity from a site like TeachersPayTeachers to supplement what we create, but that’s it. (And public school teachers create very little. Their districts drive the curricula.)

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Anonymous wrote:It used to be that teaching was one of the best jobs around — decent pay, good work–life balance, and a fulfilling career with three months of paid vacation. Yet when I talk to current teachers, they don’t seem to feel that way anymore in any of these areas.

What exactly has changed in recent years that turned teaching from a dream job into such a difficult one? Do you think teachers now see students, administrators, and parents as ungrateful?

Lack of autonomy in the classroom.
Lack of discipline and not being able to discipline problem students.
Federal funding addiction creating problem students who destroy classrooms and schools since they won't kick them out.
Political Correctness stifling a creative learning environment.
Mandatory "continuing education" bs during summer vacations.
Summer vacations cut from 3 months to barely 2 now.
Teacher's unions in many states sucking up their paychecks.

The list goes on.

cry me a river, lol

One of the main reasons people go into teaching is the summers off with the kids. It be what it be.

Pay more and the shorter summer vacation wouldn't be such a thing. Teachers get around $15 per hour as it is. $20-25 per hour average if you work at an inner city school like in The Substitute movies where you deal with stabbings and gang fights.

Complete nonsense. I just checked with a friend at fcps and she makes 85k on a 195 day contract. That's over $50 per hour. And her colleagues who have been there longer than she has make much more, some of them well over six figures. And they are free to work other jobs over the breaks (which my friend does).

DMV big3 Teacher salary is around 60K bases on Glassdoor.

Yeah. Public school pays more than private.

At any rate 60k on a similar length contract is going to be about $38 per hour. Less than $50, but a hell of a lot more than this $15 nonsense PP was spewing.

Here is a link to fcps pay scale. At the top of it, 30 years in with a MA, pay is $125k. That's $78 an hour. And a six figure salary with months -- plural -- off.

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Anonymous wrote:It used to be that teaching was one of the best jobs around — decent pay, good work–life balance, and a fulfilling career with three months of paid vacation. Yet when I talk to current teachers, they don’t seem to feel that way anymore in any of these areas.

What exactly has changed in recent years that turned teaching from a dream job into such a difficult one? Do you think teachers now see students, administrators, and parents as ungrateful?

Lack of autonomy in the classroom.
Lack of discipline and not being able to discipline problem students.
Federal funding addiction creating problem students who destroy classrooms and schools since they won't kick them out.
Political Correctness stifling a creative learning environment.
Mandatory "continuing education" bs during summer vacations.
Summer vacations cut from 3 months to barely 2 now.
Teacher's unions in many states sucking up their paychecks.

The list goes on.

cry me a river, lol

One of the main reasons people go into teaching is the summers off with the kids. It be what it be.

Pay more and the shorter summer vacation wouldn't be such a thing. Teachers get around $15 per hour as it is. $20-25 per hour average if you work at an inner city school like in The Substitute movies where you deal with stabbings and gang fights.

Complete nonsense. I just checked with a friend at fcps and she makes 85k on a 195 day contract. That's over $50 per hour. And her colleagues who have been there longer than she has make much more, some of them well over six figures. And they are free to work other jobs over the breaks (which my friend does).

DMV big3 Teacher salary is around 60K bases on Glassdoor.