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Anonymous wrote:Average to poor white men have always done pretty well in life. Now women would rather be alone and companies will hire someone else.

In the past, there was no other options for partners for white women or for companies to hire into white collar roles. Why? Because the civil rights of women and minorities were stripped. Now white men have learned being average to poor at things (emotionally, academically) will not get them to the same place. Some are taking this and teaching their sons empathy and how to be a good partner AND how to secure a good job. Others lean into MAGA because it makes small, sad men feel powerful again.

Any issues white men/boys are having can also be blamed on the ways patriarchy fails all of us.

ODd how it's the same white men trying to strip DEI initiatives and whatnot.

Says the person who needs DEI to get ahead because they can't compete naturally and win.

DEI is just not giving the bosses son the job, making him compete.

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Anonymous wrote:Except liberal white women are the least happy cohort, so I guess it isn’t working out well for them either….

Can you cite some actual studies? Conservatives love to use this as a talking point, but I've never seen any actual evidence of this. I thought most studies showed that married women with kids were one of the unhappiest groups.

https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2023/03/how-to-understand-the-well-being-gap-between-liberals-and-conservatives/

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Anonymous wrote:The rich old white men need to step up their mentorship game, as opposed to expect young women having no standards.

My generation had no standard and we were taken advantage of, but we vented online, guess who was reading those online messages?

He says this.

I wrote above agreeing with this. Even before he published the book, he spent a big time of his podcasts talking about this. Mentoring from older men to younger men is hugely important.

I wonder if there is a direct line from absent or hands off dads to these struggling young men.

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Anonymous wrote:Really interesting takes on boys and technology. I think he’s right about a lot but off on some things but I think his ideas are worth discussing. Are we failing boy? Have we put girls ahead of boys or have women just put their heads down and figured it out?

Excerpt:

“ …his stats tell a worrying story. In 1950, 50 per cent of men under 30 had children; now it’s 21 per cent (and 60 per cent of young men aged 18-24 still live with their parents). The downstream effects are startling: 1 in 3 men under 30 hasn’t had sex in the past year; 45 per cent of men aged 18-25 have never approached a woman in person (as opposed to online) to ask them on a date.

“No cohort has fallen further, faster than young men,” he asserts. “You ask me about the [Tommy Robinson] march in London? History shows us fascism breeds among sad, lonely, badly educated males who are most susceptible to conspiracy theories. Trump got elected because we have a young man problem. And you want to know why his vote went up among women over 45? I believe they are concerned mothers.”

“It begins with education. Boys’ slower brain development (the male prefrontal cortex matures later than in girls) means they quickly fall behind girls at school. What’s more, higher education is now prohibitively expensive, while manual jobs have disappeared due to globalisation and AI. Even for those working, inflation has devalued wages and housing is increasingly unaffordable.

The social contract is broken,” he says. “The promise that working hard and following the rules means your life will be better than for previous generations is gone. In that landscape of despair, the temptations offered by godlike technology, porn, gambling and conspiracy theories can be irresistible.”

Full article.

https://www.thetimes.com/life-style/parenting/article/scott-galloway-how-save-teenage-boys-gckntn7t9

Sorry, but this is BS.

Yea, technology changed. Those changes have also made it easier than ever to get ahead. Our grandparents would have killed for the opportunities we have now.

I became a single mom in 2019 with zero job skills. The career I had gone to college for was gone, and I had been a SAHM for so long my resume was worthless. I figured out what jobs had growth potential, got an entry-level position making minimum wage, and over 5 years worked my way up to making 6 figures. All while raising kids. Every free moment I had was spent on free education (podcasts + YouTube), and any extra money I made went to career development.

It was hard. Was it as hard as our grandmothers and great-grandmothers had it? Absolutely not. There were zero career opportunities for women then, and being a single mom meant poverty for life.

I just don't have much empathy for young men who want to complain life is hard when they've been handed literally every advantage and have the entire Internet, and all the free education that comes along with it, in their pockets. Mr. Beast was making several times more money than his parents by the time he was a teenager. Is every boy going to be Mr Beast? No. But if you work hard and take the time to learn the system, you can succeed.

Isn't it interesting that young white men are becoming increasingly more conservative, the party who believes everyone can succeed if they just work hard? Now that they have to work as hard as everyone else has had to do for decades they're mad about it.

I think this is a complex issue. I understand why white men feel left behind when our culture has historically put them above everyone else. There's a huge culture shift. It's no longer enough to simply be a white man. They need to step up and work as hard as everyone else. I keep seeing the reports of young men not being able to find a partner and the loneliness epidemic. Women don't have to settle for mediocre anymore. They want a partner, not a man child. They can make their own money and don't need to get married in order to support themselves. There's a reason conservatives are pushing so hard against abortion, birth control, paid maternity leave, etc. They need to make women dependent on men otherwise their chances of marriage will continue to decrease (until men learn they need to step it up).

So disingenuous.

If you think my white 13 yo son has it as good as George Bush did, you are an idiot. The world has turned against white males. If anything we have it harder than POC these days.

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Anonymous wrote:Except liberal white women are the least happy cohort, so I guess it isn’t working out well for them either….

Can you cite some actual studies? Conservatives love to use this as a talking point, but I've never seen any actual evidence of this. I thought most studies showed that married women with kids were one of the unhappiest groups.

https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2023/03/how-to-understand-the-well-being-gap-between-liberals-and-conservatives/

That's just commentary. The actual study is here:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666560321000438

This study surveyed adolescents. Not women. Not liberal white women. Kids. So unless there's some other study that conservatives are repeatedly quoting, they are severely misrepresenting the underlying research. Cue my surprised face. /s

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The rich old white men need to step up their mentorship game, as opposed to expect young women having no standards.

My generation had no standard and we were taken advantage of, but we vented online, guess who was reading those online messages?

He says this.

I wrote above agreeing with this. Even before he published the book, he spent a big time of his podcasts talking about this. Mentoring from older men to younger men is hugely important.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The rich old white men need to step up their mentorship game, as opposed to expect young women having no standards.

My generation had no standard and we were taken advantage of, but we vented online, guess who was reading those online messages?

He says this.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Average to poor white men have always done pretty well in life. Now women would rather be alone and companies will hire someone else.

In the past, there was no other options for partners for white women or for companies to hire into white collar roles. Why? Because the civil rights of women and minorities were stripped. Now white men have learned being average to poor at things (emotionally, academically) will not get them to the same place. Some are taking this and teaching their sons empathy and how to be a good partner AND how to secure a good job. Others lean into MAGA because it makes small, sad men feel powerful again.

Any issues white men/boys are having can also be blamed on the ways patriarchy fails all of us.

ODd how it's the same white men trying to strip DEI initiatives and whatnot.

Says the person who needs DEI to get ahead because they can't compete naturally and win.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Except liberal white women are the least happy cohort, so I guess it isn’t working out well for them either….

Can you cite some actual studies? Conservatives love to use this as a talking point, but I've never seen any actual evidence of this. I thought most studies showed that married women with kids were one of the unhappiest groups.

https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2023/03/how-to-understand-the-well-being-gap-between-liberals-and-conservatives/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Really interesting takes on boys and technology. I think he’s right about a lot but off on some things but I think his ideas are worth discussing. Are we failing boy? Have we put girls ahead of boys or have women just put their heads down and figured it out?

Excerpt:

“ …his stats tell a worrying story. In 1950, 50 per cent of men under 30 had children; now it’s 21 per cent (and 60 per cent of young men aged 18-24 still live with their parents). The downstream effects are startling: 1 in 3 men under 30 hasn’t had sex in the past year; 45 per cent of men aged 18-25 have never approached a woman in person (as opposed to online) to ask them on a date.

“No cohort has fallen further, faster than young men,” he asserts. “You ask me about the [Tommy Robinson] march in London? History shows us fascism breeds among sad, lonely, badly educated males who are most susceptible to conspiracy theories. Trump got elected because we have a young man problem. And you want to know why his vote went up among women over 45? I believe they are concerned mothers.”

“It begins with education. Boys’ slower brain development (the male prefrontal cortex matures later than in girls) means they quickly fall behind girls at school. What’s more, higher education is now prohibitively expensive, while manual jobs have disappeared due to globalisation and AI. Even for those working, inflation has devalued wages and housing is increasingly unaffordable.

The social contract is broken,” he says. “The promise that working hard and following the rules means your life will be better than for previous generations is gone. In that landscape of despair, the temptations offered by godlike technology, porn, gambling and conspiracy theories can be irresistible.”

Full article.

https://www.thetimes.com/life-style/parenting/article/scott-galloway-how-save-teenage-boys-gckntn7t9

Sorry, but this is BS.

Yea, technology changed. Those changes have also made it easier than ever to get ahead. Our grandparents would have killed for the opportunities we have now.

I became a single mom in 2019 with zero job skills. The career I had gone to college for was gone, and I had been a SAHM for so long my resume was worthless. I figured out what jobs had growth potential, got an entry-level position making minimum wage, and over 5 years worked my way up to making 6 figures. All while raising kids. Every free moment I had was spent on free education (podcasts + YouTube), and any extra money I made went to career development.

It was hard. Was it as hard as our grandmothers and great-grandmothers had it? Absolutely not. There were zero career opportunities for women then, and being a single mom meant poverty for life.

I just don't have much empathy for young men who want to complain life is hard when they've been handed literally every advantage and have the entire Internet, and all the free education that comes along with it, in their pockets. Mr. Beast was making several times more money than his parents by the time he was a teenager. Is every boy going to be Mr Beast? No. But if you work hard and take the time to learn the system, you can succeed.

Isn't it interesting that young white men are becoming increasingly more conservative, the party who believes everyone can succeed if they just work hard? Now that they have to work as hard as everyone else has had to do for decades they're mad about it.

I think this is a complex issue. I understand why white men feel left behind when our culture has historically put them above everyone else. There's a huge culture shift. It's no longer enough to simply be a white man. They need to step up and work as hard as everyone else. I keep seeing the reports of young men not being able to find a partner and the loneliness epidemic. Women don't have to settle for mediocre anymore. They want a partner, not a man child. They can make their own money and don't need to get married in order to support themselves. There's a reason conservatives are pushing so hard against abortion, birth control, paid maternity leave, etc. They need to make women dependent on men otherwise their chances of marriage will continue to decrease (until men learn they need to step it up).

No, it's not interesting or remotely correct. These young men are being told it doesn't matter if they work hard because they don't deserve it, still didn't earn it, and it's someone else's turn. It doesn't matter that if even they are the best or most qualified, someone else *deserves* it more or needs a turn to sit at the table. These boys haven't sat at the table yet but are being told they aren't wanted because it's time to right some wrongs that they had nothing to do with. Even the beneficiaries haven't been wronged, but they are happy to take whatever they can get whether they earned it fairly or not.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Average to poor white men have always done pretty well in life. Now women would rather be alone and companies will hire someone else.

In the past, there was no other options for partners for white women or for companies to hire into white collar roles. Why? Because the civil rights of women and minorities were stripped. Now white men have learned being average to poor at things (emotionally, academically) will not get them to the same place. Some are taking this and teaching their sons empathy and how to be a good partner AND how to secure a good job. Others lean into MAGA because it makes small, sad men feel powerful again.

Any issues white men/boys are having can also be blamed on the ways patriarchy fails all of us.

ODd how it's the same white men trying to strip DEI initiatives and whatnot.

Says the person who needs DEI to get ahead because they can't compete naturally and win.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Except liberal white women are the least happy cohort, so I guess it isn’t working out well for them either….

Can you cite some actual studies? Conservatives love to use this as a talking point, but I've never seen any actual evidence of this. I thought most studies showed that married women with kids were one of the unhappiest groups.

https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2023/03/how-to-understand-the-well-being-gap-between-liberals-and-conservatives/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Except liberal white women are the least happy cohort, so I guess it isn’t working out well for them either….

Can you cite some actual studies? Conservatives love to use this as a talking point, but I've never seen any actual evidence of this. I thought most studies showed that married women with kids were one of the unhappiest groups.

https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2023/03/how-to-understand-the-well-being-gap-between-liberals-and-conservatives/