Anonymous wrote:Several things might be true at the same time:

* There are far too many kids going to college
* Most colleges are not rigorous at all and these should be avoided
* Most kids are going to college for the socialization and credentializing, not to learn
* The point of college should be, at least partially, to be a better citizen
* Removing core civics and wester civ (ethics) from high school and college was a very bad idea
* Using tech bro success as an objective for life is probably not a great idea
* Going to a high-quality college and working hard is still a wonderful, valuable experience for maybe 20% of kids

Why?

The government is paying for it?

Nope

Take the most intelligent high school graduate. Awesome skills, but easily moldable. Easily manipulated by those who are older. You fall for woo more easily.

I can see why Palantir and others want them.

Not a fate I would want for my kids

Several things might be true at the same time:

* There are far too many kids going to college
* Most colleges are not rigorous at all and these should be avoided
* Most kids are going to college for the socialization and credentializing, not to learn
* The point of college should be, at least partially, to be a better citizen
* Removing core civics and wester civ (ethics) from high school and college was a very bad idea
* Using tech bro success as an objective for life is probably not a great idea
* Going to a high-quality college and working hard is still a wonderful, valuable experience for maybe 20% of kids

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Anonymous wrote:Most companies require a degree at some point in the food chain.

Agree. Really surprised that that Bill Gates guy went so far at Microsoft.

Is this a joke?

How many non college grads do you think make it like Gates?

More and more these days!
Gates
Zuckerberg
Larry Ellison
Richard Branson
Oprah
Rachel Ray
Steve Jobs
Walt Disney
Elizabeth Holmes (almost)

This is not exactly an exhaustive list, and it stands decades.

Sure. Take the kids before their frontal cortex has done maturing before they understand ethics and legality of what they are doing. Much easier to manipulate than the "radicalized" kids who usually become more liberal post college education.

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Anonymous wrote:Most companies require a degree at some point in the food chain.

Agree. Really surprised that that Bill Gates guy went so far at Microsoft.

If Bill Gates took his actual resume and applied to programming jobs under a false name, today, he would not get hired.

We all want to launch a successful new company. But if your company is among the 90% that fail, where does that leave you? Submitting thousands of applications on job websites that ask about your college degree.

Lemme translate for you - college is a fallback for the mediocre.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most companies require a degree at some point in the food chain.

Agree. Really surprised that that Bill Gates guy went so far at Microsoft.

Is this a joke?

How many non college grads do you think make it like Gates?

More and more these days!
Gates
Zuckerberg
Larry Ellison
Richard Branson
Oprah
Rachel Ray
Steve Jobs
Walt Disney
Elizabeth Holmes (almost)

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Anonymous wrote:Palantir + Peter Theil are both gross. College can be so much fun and a great way to meet people. Why skip it unless you truly can’t afford it.

When college becomes very expensive, it is no longer as much fun except for the few who will graduate with no loans. I think the pressure for everyone to get a degree that is expensive and it being branded as the best experience or best 4 years of your life is equally gross.

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The ROI for the majority of students is the worst investment they will make. I hope we go back to apprenticeships, which is basically what this is.

That all depends on if one is ok with working blue collar jobs that are harder on the body than white collar jobs.

Tech and coding jobs are hard on the body?! Where do you live?

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't trade my education in for much. Yes there are geniuses out there that can educate themselves but having access to quality instruction and high-level knowledgeable professors is valuable. Suit yourself but having an education enriches your entire experience here on Earth as long as it lasts.

+1 agree

And I went to a B rated state school. A college education teaches advanced critical thinking skills than just HS and training on the job.

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Anonymous wrote:Most companies require a degree at some point in the food chain.

Agree. Really surprised that that Bill Gates guy went so far at Microsoft.

If Bill Gates took his actual resume and applied to programming jobs under a false name, today, he would not get hired.

We all want to launch a successful new company. But if your company is among the 90% that fail, where does that leave you? Submitting thousands of applications on job websites that ask about your college degree.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most companies require a degree at some point in the food chain.

Agree. Really surprised that that Bill Gates guy went so far at Microsoft.

Is this a joke?

How many non college grads do you think make it like Gates?

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Anonymous wrote:Palantir + Peter Theil are both gross. College can be so much fun and a great way to meet people. Why skip it unless you truly can’t afford it.

When college becomes very expensive, it is no longer as much fun except for the few who will graduate with no loans. I think the pressure for everyone to get a degree that is expensive and it being branded as the best experience or best 4 years of your life is equally gross.

+1
The ROI for the majority of students is the worst investment they will make. I hope we go back to apprenticeships, which is basically what this is.

That all depends on if one is ok with working blue collar jobs that are harder on the body than white collar jobs.

The CEO of Palantir is an eccentric individual who marches to the beat of a different drummer. He is very much an independent thinker.

He's not wrong. A college degree in the future may be a nonstarter for some occupations. However, I still believe in college because it helps young minds to learn how to think critically.

I think there are two paths that this is taking…one kids straight out of high school and two kids dropping out of college.

In the Bay Area at least, there are some high stat kids that jump directly into full time jobs at various sizes of tech companies. They had connections or were good enough to land an internship, did great at the internship and were offered full time employment, and they didn’t get into any UCs higher than Merced or Riverside despite having incredibly high stats. Despite having OOS or private college acceptances, the cost and/or step down in rank wasn’t appealing. As the job market in tech has gone south, they didn’t want to give up their foot hold in tech. The ones that we know of that have done this have done or are doing community college classes online so that they are ready to transfer into a highly ranked UC as a junior in several years. UCs have lots of older transfer students.

I can see why this is a smarter path than going to a lower ranked university for four years, spending hundreds of thousands on it, being away from the tech center and struggling to find a job four years later.

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Anonymous wrote:Palantir + Peter Theil are both gross. College can be so much fun and a great way to meet people. Why skip it unless you truly can’t afford it.

When college becomes very expensive, it is no longer as much fun except for the few who will graduate with no loans. I think the pressure for everyone to get a degree that is expensive and it being branded as the best experience or best 4 years of your life is equally gross.

+1
The ROI for the majority of students is the worst investment they will make. I hope we go back to apprenticeships, which is basically what this is.