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Anonymous wrote:OP, what is your issue? Why so triggered that others talk about their kids? Sheeesh - if you don't like the conversation, what is stopping you from finding other people to talk with? Why so offended that someone else enjoys and even excels in a subject different than your kid's favorite?

And for the record, it isn't either or - plenty of math kids are creative, great at writing/editing, voracious readers, artsy, musical, sporty, charismatic, etc. And some people don't care for any of these things.

what's up with all the closed-minded stereotypes on this thread?
What a strange thread.

While I don’t agree with all the comments in this thread, OP does have a point in the general sentiment of ELA skills not being nurtured and valued in the same way math is. It’s exceedingly rare for a middle school to offer anything beyond grade level “honors” ELA. Which, let’s be frank, is still pretty dumbed down. Yet, nearly all middle schools offer 9th grade math (Alg I), and many others offering geometry as well. There are even middle schools that will facilitate kids taking Alg II and precalc through various ways if they need it. But the kids that want ELA enrichment are left to source it on their own.

About 75% of FCPS students will take Algebra 1 by the end of MS. 8th graders can chose between Algebra 1 or Honors, 7th graders all take H. I was a kid who took three years of regular math in HS and then stopped, I have learning issues which made math really challenging for me. I took stats in college and worked hard for my C. I was an A student in most of my classes, math was the exception, and my learning issues explain that.

My kid is naturally inclined to math; he loves it and is one of the white kids in his Mathcounts club at MS. I am happy for him that math is intuitive and impressed with his willingness to work hard at the subject to do well in math competitions, which translates to doing well in his math class at school. His accomplishments are no different than kids who make the all-star team in their sport, which we have no problem celebrating, or the kid who wins debate tournaments. But if I post that he scored in the 95th percentile on AMC 10 as a 7th grader, people point a finger that we are tiger parents and bragging about his math ability. They can post about their kid scoring 2 goals in soccer or a touchdown in football or hitting homeruns in softball or baseball and everyone praises that. So I don't post it, I also don't post when he scores in soccer or has a great game.

But the big difference is your kid- and most others are given extra acceleration opportunities and extra clubs to further promote their math skills. But kids aren’t given opportunities to accelerate in English. Schools aren’t offering 9/10 honors English to middle schoolers- or prompting literature clubs or any of the national essay competitions open to this age group.

Kids are given the chance to accelerate in English through AAP and then Honors/AAP classes. My kid is in Geometry as an 8th grader; he could have accelerated further by taking Geometry this summer but choose camps and fun activities over math class. He followed the advanced math/AAP path that FCPS has. Twenty percent of the kids in the County are in AAP and another group is in the Advanced Math only track. The same acceleration for LA exists in AAP. I believe that there are DE LA classes in HS as well as the AP offerings. How would you suggest that a kid be accelerated in LA?

Your kid start a club for creative writing or a book club to discuss more advanced books after school. The HS that DS is supposed to attend does not have math clubs, outside of the honor society. Other HS in FCPS have 2-3 dedicated math clubs. If DS wants to continue with team math competitions in HS, and he does not get accepted at TJ, he will have to start a club at his HS. I am sure that there are LA clubs/groups that your kid can search for and start at school.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, what is your issue? Why so triggered that others talk about their kids? Sheeesh - if you don't like the conversation, what is stopping you from finding other people to talk with? Why so offended that someone else enjoys and even excels in a subject different than your kid's favorite?

And for the record, it isn't either or - plenty of math kids are creative, great at writing/editing, voracious readers, artsy, musical, sporty, charismatic, etc. And some people don't care for any of these things.

what's up with all the closed-minded stereotypes on this thread?
What a strange thread.

While I don’t agree with all the comments in this thread, OP does have a point in the general sentiment of ELA skills not being nurtured and valued in the same way math is. It’s exceedingly rare for a middle school to offer anything beyond grade level “honors” ELA. Which, let’s be frank, is still pretty dumbed down. Yet, nearly all middle schools offer 9th grade math (Alg I), and many others offering geometry as well. There are even middle schools that will facilitate kids taking Alg II and precalc through various ways if they need it. But the kids that want ELA enrichment are left to source it on their own.

About 75% of FCPS students will take Algebra 1 by the end of MS. 8th graders can chose between Algebra 1 or Honors, 7th graders all take H. I was a kid who took three years of regular math in HS and then stopped, I have learning issues which made math really challenging for me. I took stats in college and worked hard for my C. I was an A student in most of my classes, math was the exception, and my learning issues explain that.

My kid is naturally inclined to math; he loves it and is one of the white kids in his Mathcounts club at MS. I am happy for him that math is intuitive and impressed with his willingness to work hard at the subject to do well in math competitions, which translates to doing well in his math class at school. His accomplishments are no different than kids who make the all-star team in their sport, which we have no problem celebrating, or the kid who wins debate tournaments. But if I post that he scored in the 95th percentile on AMC 10 as a 7th grader, people point a finger that we are tiger parents and bragging about his math ability. They can post about their kid scoring 2 goals in soccer or a touchdown in football or hitting homeruns in softball or baseball and everyone praises that. So I don't post it, I also don't post when he scores in soccer or has a great game.

But the big difference is your kid- and most others are given extra acceleration opportunities and extra clubs to further promote their math skills. But kids aren’t given opportunities to accelerate in English. Schools aren’t offering 9/10 honors English to middle schoolers- or prompting literature clubs or any of the national essay competitions open to this age group.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, what is your issue? Why so triggered that others talk about their kids? Sheeesh - if you don't like the conversation, what is stopping you from finding other people to talk with? Why so offended that someone else enjoys and even excels in a subject different than your kid's favorite?

And for the record, it isn't either or - plenty of math kids are creative, great at writing/editing, voracious readers, artsy, musical, sporty, charismatic, etc. And some people don't care for any of these things.

what's up with all the closed-minded stereotypes on this thread?
What a strange thread.

While I don’t agree with all the comments in this thread, OP does have a point in the general sentiment of ELA skills not being nurtured and valued in the same way math is. It’s exceedingly rare for a middle school to offer anything beyond grade level “honors” ELA. Which, let’s be frank, is still pretty dumbed down. Yet, nearly all middle schools offer 9th grade math (Alg I), and many others offering geometry as well. There are even middle schools that will facilitate kids taking Alg II and precalc through various ways if they need it. But the kids that want ELA enrichment are left to source it on their own.

About 75% of FCPS students will take Algebra 1 by the end of MS. 8th graders can chose between Algebra 1 or Honors, 7th graders all take H. I was a kid who took three years of regular math in HS and then stopped, I have learning issues which made math really challenging for me. I took stats in college and worked hard for my C. I was an A student in most of my classes, math was the exception, and my learning issues explain that.

My kid is naturally inclined to math; he loves it and is one of the white kids in his Mathcounts club at MS. I am happy for him that math is intuitive and impressed with his willingness to work hard at the subject to do well in math competitions, which translates to doing well in his math class at school. His accomplishments are no different than kids who make the all-star team in their sport, which we have no problem celebrating, or the kid who wins debate tournaments. But if I post that he scored in the 95th percentile on AMC 10 as a 7th grader, people point a finger that we are tiger parents and bragging about his math ability. They can post about their kid scoring 2 goals in soccer or a touchdown in football or hitting homeruns in softball or baseball and everyone praises that. So I don't post it, I also don't post when he scores in soccer or has a great game.

But the big difference is your kid- and most others are given extra acceleration opportunities and extra clubs to further promote their math skills. But kids aren’t given opportunities to accelerate in English. Schools aren’t offering 9/10 honors English to middle schoolers- or prompting literature clubs or any of the national essay competitions open to this age group.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, what is your issue? Why so triggered that others talk about their kids? Sheeesh - if you don't like the conversation, what is stopping you from finding other people to talk with? Why so offended that someone else enjoys and even excels in a subject different than your kid's favorite?

And for the record, it isn't either or - plenty of math kids are creative, great at writing/editing, voracious readers, artsy, musical, sporty, charismatic, etc. And some people don't care for any of these things.

what's up with all the closed-minded stereotypes on this thread?
What a strange thread.

While I don’t agree with all the comments in this thread, OP does have a point in the general sentiment of ELA skills not being nurtured and valued in the same way math is. It’s exceedingly rare for a middle school to offer anything beyond grade level “honors” ELA. Which, let’s be frank, is still pretty dumbed down. Yet, nearly all middle schools offer 9th grade math (Alg I), and many others offering geometry as well. There are even middle schools that will facilitate kids taking Alg II and precalc through various ways if they need it. But the kids that want ELA enrichment are left to source it on their own.

About 75% of FCPS students will take Algebra 1 by the end of MS. 8th graders can chose between Algebra 1 or Honors, 7th graders all take H. I was a kid who took three years of regular math in HS and then stopped, I have learning issues which made math really challenging for me. I took stats in college and worked hard for my C. I was an A student in most of my classes, math was the exception, and my learning issues explain that.

My kid is naturally inclined to math; he loves it and is one of the white kids in his Mathcounts club at MS. I am happy for him that math is intuitive and impressed with his willingness to work hard at the subject to do well in math competitions, which translates to doing well in his math class at school. His accomplishments are no different than kids who make the all-star team in their sport, which we have no problem celebrating, or the kid who wins debate tournaments. But if I post that he scored in the 95th percentile on AMC 10 as a 7th grader, people point a finger that we are tiger parents and bragging about his math ability. They can post about their kid scoring 2 goals in soccer or a touchdown in football or hitting homeruns in softball or baseball and everyone praises that. So I don't post it, I also don't post when he scores in soccer or has a great game.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, what is your issue? Why so triggered that others talk about their kids? Sheeesh - if you don't like the conversation, what is stopping you from finding other people to talk with? Why so offended that someone else enjoys and even excels in a subject different than your kid's favorite?

And for the record, it isn't either or - plenty of math kids are creative, great at writing/editing, voracious readers, artsy, musical, sporty, charismatic, etc. And some people don't care for any of these things.

what's up with all the closed-minded stereotypes on this thread?
What a strange thread.

While I don’t agree with all the comments in this thread, OP does have a point in the general sentiment of ELA skills not being nurtured and valued in the same way math is. It’s exceedingly rare for a middle school to offer anything beyond grade level “honors” ELA. Which, let’s be frank, is still pretty dumbed down. Yet, nearly all middle schools offer 9th grade math (Alg I), and many others offering geometry as well. There are even middle schools that will facilitate kids taking Alg II and precalc through various ways if they need it. But the kids that want ELA enrichment are left to source it on their own.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, what is your issue? Why so triggered that others talk about their kids? Sheeesh - if you don't like the conversation, what is stopping you from finding other people to talk with? Why so offended that someone else enjoys and even excels in a subject different than your kid's favorite?

And for the record, it isn't either or - plenty of math kids are creative, great at writing/editing, voracious readers, artsy, musical, sporty, charismatic, etc. And some people don't care for any of these things.

what's up with all the closed-minded stereotypes on this thread?
What a strange thread.

While I don’t agree with all the comments in this thread, OP does have a point in the general sentiment of ELA skills not being nurtured and valued in the same way math is. It’s exceedingly rare for a middle school to offer anything beyond grade level “honors” ELA. Which, let’s be frank, is still pretty dumbed down. Yet, nearly all middle schools offer 9th grade math (Alg I), and many others offering geometry as well. There are even middle schools that will facilitate kids taking Alg II and precalc through various ways if they need it. But the kids that want ELA enrichment are left to source it on their own.

This may be a case of "the grass is greener on the other side of the fence." I do not think math kids are that highly valued at all. I recall one of my kid's friends doing extremely well at a difficult and prestigious national math competition. Not a single announcement was made at the school. Nothing in the school newspaper, no celebration at all. I felt truly bad for the kid because you know all the sports victories were celebrated at the school. As for gifted education, public schools may give kids the chance to move ahead in math classes, but they are still mostly mediocre classes that are nothing like what kids in foreign countries get. The kids who are great at math usually have to learn this stuff on their own unless their parents can afford Russian math or some other supplemental program. Just like the kids who are brilliant at ELA are reading their own novels, working on their own writing on their own time.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, what is your issue? Why so triggered that others talk about their kids? Sheeesh - if you don't like the conversation, what is stopping you from finding other people to talk with? Why so offended that someone else enjoys and even excels in a subject different than your kid's favorite?

And for the record, it isn't either or - plenty of math kids are creative, great at writing/editing, voracious readers, artsy, musical, sporty, charismatic, etc. And some people don't care for any of these things.

what's up with all the closed-minded stereotypes on this thread?
What a strange thread.

While I don’t agree with all the comments in this thread, OP does have a point in the general sentiment of ELA skills not being nurtured and valued in the same way math is. It’s exceedingly rare for a middle school to offer anything beyond grade level “honors” ELA. Which, let’s be frank, is still pretty dumbed down. Yet, nearly all middle schools offer 9th grade math (Alg I), and many others offering geometry as well. There are even middle schools that will facilitate kids taking Alg II and precalc through various ways if they need it. But the kids that want ELA enrichment are left to source it on their own.

Anonymous wrote:OP, what is your issue? Why so triggered that others talk about their kids? Sheeesh - if you don't like the conversation, what is stopping you from finding other people to talk with? Why so offended that someone else enjoys and even excels in a subject different than your kid's favorite?

And for the record, it isn't either or - plenty of math kids are creative, great at writing/editing, voracious readers, artsy, musical, sporty, charismatic, etc. And some people don't care for any of these things.

what's up with all the closed-minded stereotypes on this thread?
What a strange thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m tired of listening to all these parents talk about their math wiz kids and how they need their kid to be accelerated 3 grades. Good for them - they also can’t string a coherent sentence together without the help of AI and my kid happens to be very creative and artsy (looooves to write). FWIW I was a B student in math and took 1 math lite class in college so don’t see the need for all this crazy focus on math if it’s not your thing. I found a job and have a career that pays well. Can’t we focus on other things besides math and not punish kids for not being mathaletes ( mine happens to have an IEP for math) which is what this feels like. He could spend all his time on math and still not get more than a C. What happened to being well rounded?

Plenty of kids who are good at math are also excellent at writing, creative and athletic.

A very few, not plenty. Our school has a math club with about 30 kids in it, all but two are Asian. None do school athletics. I have no idea about creativity but if your kid goes straight to Russian Math after school alternating with math club and chess club there’s just no time.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m tired of listening to all these parents talk about their math wiz kids and how they need their kid to be accelerated 3 grades. Good for them - they also can’t string a coherent sentence together without the help of AI and my kid happens to be very creative and artsy (looooves to write). FWIW I was a B student in math and took 1 math lite class in college so don’t see the need for all this crazy focus on math if it’s not your thing. I found a job and have a career that pays well. Can’t we focus on other things besides math and not punish kids for not being mathaletes ( mine happens to have an IEP for math) which is what this feels like. He could spend all his time on math and still not get more than a C. What happened to being well rounded?

Plenty of kids who are good at math are also excellent at writing, creative and athletic.

A very few, not plenty. Our school has a math club with about 30 kids in it, all but two are Asian. None do school athletics. I have no idea about creativity but if your kid goes straight to Russian Math after school alternating with math club and chess club there’s just no time.

Racist much?

Yup. Racist because I have eyes and can see who’s in the math club? My daughter went to a summer academic program and it was majority Asian kids. When my daughter walked into the room the teacher asked her if she was a basketball player. I’m surprised she didn’t give her directions to the basketball court which also had summer programs.

Racist to assume all these Asian kids are somehow lesser than kids who are sporty, and that they are uncreative. Sure some Asian cultures value math more than sports. Are we going to seriously say the kids who are obsessively into sports (many pushed) and spend all their time doing that are somehow better, more creative, etc? Don't get me started on how many times I have seen sports parents yelling at their kids or other kids during games.

Ignorant to pretend Asians aren’t dominating maths and sciences. I was talking about my experience only. I have no idea who plays what except my school. My daughter went to a summer enrichment program that had the arts, academics and sports. When my daughter walked in to the math class the teacher asked her if she was a basketball player. I could say it was racist of her to say something like that. The academics program had only a couple of non Asians and the basketball program had none.

And no, the kids who are obsessive about sports wouldn’t be called creative and certainly wouldn’t be called better . And sports parents can be obnoxious, no doubt.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m tired of listening to all these parents talk about their math wiz kids and how they need their kid to be accelerated 3 grades. Good for them - they also can’t string a coherent sentence together without the help of AI and my kid happens to be very creative and artsy (looooves to write). FWIW I was a B student in math and took 1 math lite class in college so don’t see the need for all this crazy focus on math if it’s not your thing. I found a job and have a career that pays well. Can’t we focus on other things besides math and not punish kids for not being mathaletes ( mine happens to have an IEP for math) which is what this feels like. He could spend all his time on math and still not get more than a C. What happened to being well rounded?

Plenty of kids who are good at math are also excellent at writing, creative and athletic.

A very few, not plenty. Our school has a math club with about 30 kids in it, all but two are Asian. None do school athletics. I have no idea about creativity but if your kid goes straight to Russian Math after school alternating with math club and chess club there’s just no time.

Racist much?

Yup. Racist because I have eyes and can see who’s in the math club? My daughter went to a summer academic program and it was majority Asian kids. When my daughter walked into the room the teacher asked her if she was a basketball player. I’m surprised she didn’t give her directions to the basketball court which also had summer programs.

Racist to assume all these Asian kids are somehow lesser than kids who are sporty, and that they are uncreative. Sure some Asian cultures value math more than sports. Are we going to seriously say the kids who are obsessively into sports (many pushed) and spend all their time doing that are somehow better, more creative, etc? Don't get me started on how many times I have seen sports parents yelling at their kids or other kids during games.