Anonymous
10/02/2025 20:52
Subject: Is there anybody who truly believes at Democrats are the reason for the shut down?
Anonymous wrote:I am curious. Does anybody really believe this? I think the reason being given is because Democrats want to give healthcare to illegal immigrants. Which is so blatantly untrue. what is true? Is that Democrats want to preserve and protect the healthcare for Americans.
I’m not steeped in the details, and I don’t really have a dog in this fight, but my inclination is to think that the Democrats may well be somewhat more to blame. That’s just because after the last round of negotiations, there was a widespread impression that they caved to Trump. It’s easy to imagine that they’d correct or overcorrect.
Anonymous
10/02/2025 20:47
Subject: Is there anybody who truly believes at Democrats are the reason for the shut down?
Trump shut down the government on Jan 20. Not funding for government until a valid President takes office. No support for traitors.
Anonymous
10/02/2025 19:58
Subject: Re:Is there anybody who truly believes at Democrats are the reason for the shut down?
Anonymous wrote:It's totally believable. A clean CR would have avoided a shutdown while allowing for negotiations around Democratic political priorities. Instead, blackmail was employed to try to force those priorities through without further negotiation. It's a form of either extortion, or a negotiating tactic, depending on your perspective, but in either case it's attributable to the Democrats.
Because Trump and his GOP pals are is VERY trustworthy.
Anonymous
10/02/2025 19:52
Subject: Is there anybody who truly believes at Democrats are the reason for the shut down?
Why are the dems shutting down over Healthcare? They should let them go ahead with open arms. Give all the idiots exactly what they voted for - mass closures and bankruptcies of hospitals in a bunch of redacted states. Let them die because the next closest hospital is 1400 miles away. Give em am what they want I say.
Anonymous
10/02/2025 19:50
Subject: Re:Is there anybody who truly believes at Democrats are the reason for the shut down?
Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it’s the democrats fault necessarily but I also do not think this is a fight worth fighting or that they can win. They screwed us over with Biden and need to focus on winning elections. I believe if they had run a primary we would not be in this situation. I think they should have agreed to the CR and let healthcare costs go up then blame republicans.
No, then they’d be blamed for doing nothing.
Apparently a handful of Democrats are supposed to save the country from the will of the majority of voters. This isn’t the Avengers, friends. There are no superheroes, just normal people who actually GAF.
Anonymous
10/02/2025 19:48
Subject: Re:Is there anybody who truly believes at Democrats are the reason for the shut down?
Anonymous wrote:if the healthcare costs go up as much as they are supposed to , a LOT of Americans will die within a few months or years. ppl need cancer screenings, diabetes and heart medicine etc and the us doesn't have robust medical charities that can provide these things in time. like in developing countries- poor ppl can get charity and live, in developed countries ppl have access to basic medical care. the usa has neither system so ppl who have an accident :
chopping carrots say- they will just bleed out b/c the ambulance ride costs as much as a few months rent so they'll just wrap a towel around the wound and drive. ppl with chest pain, will wait until they have the widow maker and die, ppl who need epipens, will get stung by a bee and will die. modern medicine can only save lives if you use it.
A lot are MAGA, so maybe it’s ok. Perhaps we shouldn’t stand in their way while they despair and preventable disease themselves to death anymore.
Anonymous
10/02/2025 19:47
Subject: Is there anybody who truly believes at Democrats are the reason for the shut down?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is it so inconceivable to you that half the nation has a different opinion?
It’s not an opinion.
What’s inconceivable is that half of America is this ignorant and gullible.
"You all are dumb. Vote like me, losers," is not a winning message even if it fulfills your need to bully people. Whenever you see Trump on your screen, remember that part of why he is there is voter disgust at Democratic mean girls.
Sometimes it’s like MAGA are just a bad dog- you have to rub their face in their mess enough before they get that they shouldn’t sh*t the bed.
Have your disgust. And then take your pants off, bend over, and brace for the billionaires doing to you what billionaires do to powerless people. You can watch Trump while they do it.
Anonymous
10/02/2025 19:33
Subject: Re:Is there anybody who truly believes at Democrats are the reason for the shut down?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Republicans control both the Presidency, Senate, and House right now. It's on them.
To don’t understand politics????
This needs to pass the House, it has.
President needs to sign, he will.
It needs 60 votes in the Senate to pass!
Republicans only control 53 seats.
So yes, Democrats are holding up the Bill!!! Shut Down is on them!!!
If republicans had negotiated better there would be no shut down
We don't negotiate with terrorists.
Anonymous
10/02/2025 18:51
Subject: Re:Is there anybody who truly believes at Democrats are the reason for the shut down?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Republicans control both the Presidency, Senate, and House right now. It's on them.
To don’t understand politics????
This needs to pass the House, it has.
President needs to sign, he will.
It needs 60 votes in the Senate to pass!
Republicans only control 53 seats.
So yes, Democrats are holding up the Bill!!! Shut Down is on them!!!
If republicans had negotiated better there would be no shut down
There should be no negotiating on a clean CR. It is what it is.
It’s not a clean CR.
Anonymous
10/02/2025 18:49
Subject: Re:Is there anybody who truly believes at Democrats are the reason for the shut down?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Republicans control both the Presidency, Senate, and House right now. It's on them.
To don’t understand politics????
This needs to pass the House, it has.
President needs to sign, he will.
It needs 60 votes in the Senate to pass!
Republicans only control 53 seats.
So yes, Democrats are holding up the Bill!!! Shut Down is on them!!!
If republicans had negotiated better there would be no shut down
There should be no negotiating on a clean CR. It is what it is.
Anonymous
10/02/2025 18:38
Subject: Re:Is there anybody who truly believes at Democrats are the reason for the shut down?
if the healthcare costs go up as much as they are supposed to , a LOT of Americans will die within a few months or years. ppl need cancer screenings, diabetes and heart medicine etc and the us doesn't have robust medical charities that can provide these things in time. like in developing countries- poor ppl can get charity and live, in developed countries ppl have access to basic medical care. the usa has neither system so ppl who have an accident :
chopping carrots say- they will just bleed out b/c the ambulance ride costs as much as a few months rent so they'll just wrap a towel around the wound and drive. ppl with chest pain, will wait until they have the widow maker and die, ppl who need epipens, will get stung by a bee and will die. modern medicine can only save lives if you use it.
chopping carrots say- they will just bleed out b/c the ambulance ride costs as much as a few months rent so they'll just wrap a towel around the wound and drive. ppl with chest pain, will wait until they have the widow maker and die, ppl who need epipens, will get stung by a bee and will die. modern medicine can only save lives if you use it.
Anonymous
10/02/2025 18:25
Subject: Re:Is there anybody who truly believes at Democrats are the reason for the shut down?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Republicans control both the Presidency, Senate, and House right now. It's on them.
To don’t understand politics????
This needs to pass the House, it has.
President needs to sign, he will.
It needs 60 votes in the Senate to pass!
Republicans only control 53 seats.
So yes, Democrats are holding up the Bill!!! Shut Down is on them!!!
Yep and we all know it despite what the desperate Dems claim.
Anonymous
10/02/2025 18:24
Subject: Re:Is there anybody who truly believes at Democrats are the reason for the shut down?
I don’t think it’s the democrats fault necessarily but I also do not think this is a fight worth fighting or that they can win. They screwed us over with Biden and need to focus on winning elections. I believe if they had run a primary we would not be in this situation. I think they should have agreed to the CR and let healthcare costs go up then blame republicans.
Anonymous
10/02/2025 18:20
Subject: Re:Is there anybody who truly believes at Democrats are the reason for the shut down?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Republicans control both the Presidency, Senate, and House right now. It's on them.
To don’t understand politics????
This needs to pass the House, it has.
President needs to sign, he will.
It needs 60 votes in the Senate to pass!
Republicans only control 53 seats.
So yes, Democrats are holding up the Bill!!! Shut Down is on them!!!
If republicans had negotiated better there would be no shut down
Anonymous
10/02/2025 18:17
Subject: Re:Is there anybody who truly believes at Democrats are the reason for the shut down?
Anonymous wrote:They did not take away any subsidies. The subsidies were passed during COVID as a temporary measure that is now expiring.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's totally believable. A clean CR would have avoided a shutdown while allowing for negotiations around Democratic political priorities. Instead, blackmail was employed to try to force those priorities through without further negotiation. It's a form of either extortion, or a negotiating tactic, depending on your perspective, but in either case it's attributable to the Democrats.
Negotiations around Democratic priorities? Republicans took away the healthcare subsidies in the Big Ugly Bill but we believe that they are going to come to the table to negotiate what they took away? Why would Democrats believe them?
Republicans should have thought about this when they wouldn't negotiate with Dems on the OBBBA. Why didn't they negotiate then? Now they need something.
For the people whose health insurance premiums will double, that's cold comfort.