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Anonymous wrote:I think many Catholics agree with this.

The MAGA split in the US Catholic church is going to be interesting.

If the Pope keeps it up I give it 6 months before someone in the Trump administration calls him leftist, communist, woke, enemy, or the like.

MAGA evangelicals don't really consider Catholics to be "Christian" in the way they are. It's not like they care what the highest Catholic cleric says.

There are a lot of MAGA Catholics. How do they reconcile the words of Pope Leo, Pope Francis and Jesus himself with their MAGA beliefs? Who knows, but they know they really don’t like women who want abortions and trans people.

There’s quite a few MAGA Catholics on the highest court of the land.

These people are Catholics in name only, just as many MAGA are Christians in name only.

Jesus' family were immigrants and refugees. He preached about welcoming the stranger, and loving thy neighbor, who is not just John next door.

Jesus's family went home after the danger passed. Something our "refugees" will never do.

So, you agree that we should welcome the refugees and treat them well?

It's weird that you are using religion to advocate/pressure others into agreeing with your political views. Catholic teachings are also strictly anti abortion and anti contraception. Are you willing to ban women's reproductive health as well? Or are you a hypocrite?

DP... In my opinion, it's a far greater hypocrisy and affront to Christianity to be anti-abortion and anti-contraception while ignoring the core teachings of Christ where it comes to taking care of the sick, the poor, the elderly, refugees and the marginalized, and showing compassion. Christ explicitly taught those values, and his command was clear, whereas he was silent on the areas of abortion and contraception.

Supporting access to abortion and contraception while being in favor of compassion and taking care of the sick and the poor and refugees diverges from Church doctrine (which has changed over time where it comes to abortion and contraception), but is still aligned to Gospel ethos and core teachings of Christ, whereas the opposite is not true. Claiming to be "pro-life" and only caring about abortion and contraception while ignoring the suffering of the marginalized and people in need (and leaving them to die from hunger or illness or persecution) contradicts the holistic ethic of life and dignity directly commanded and taught by Christ in the Gospels.

We are not discussing your opinion. We are discussing the positions of the catholic church and words of the pope.

Well, the words of the Pope are to treat immigrants as Christ would have - to love and take care of them.

And I am pointing out that you cannot pick and choose where we should listen to the Pope because 1) we still have separation of church and state and 2) most advocating for better treatment of immigrants are democrats who are pro choice and it is hypocritical to ignore the Pope's words where it is convenient to your arguments

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Anonymous wrote:I think many Catholics agree with this.

The MAGA split in the US Catholic church is going to be interesting.

If the Pope keeps it up I give it 6 months before someone in the Trump administration calls him leftist, communist, woke, enemy, or the like.

MAGA evangelicals don't really consider Catholics to be "Christian" in the way they are. It's not like they care what the highest Catholic cleric says.

There are a lot of MAGA Catholics. How do they reconcile the words of Pope Leo, Pope Francis and Jesus himself with their MAGA beliefs? Who knows, but they know they really don’t like women who want abortions and trans people.

There’s quite a few MAGA Catholics on the highest court of the land.

These people are Catholics in name only, just as many MAGA are Christians in name only.

Jesus' family were immigrants and refugees. He preached about welcoming the stranger, and loving thy neighbor, who is not just John next door.

Jesus's family went home after the danger passed. Something our "refugees" will never do.

So, you agree that we should welcome the refugees and treat them well?

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"Someone who says I'm against abortion but is in favor of the death penalty is not really pro-life," Pope Leo said. "And someone who says I'm against abortion but I'm in agreement with the inhuman treatment of immigrants in the United States, I don't know if that's pro-life."

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Anonymous wrote:I think many Catholics agree with this.

The MAGA split in the US Catholic church is going to be interesting.

If the Pope keeps it up I give it 6 months before someone in the Trump administration calls him leftist, communist, woke, enemy, or the like.

MAGA evangelicals don't really consider Catholics to be "Christian" in the way they are. It's not like they care what the highest Catholic cleric says.

There are a lot of MAGA Catholics. How do they reconcile the words of Pope Leo, Pope Francis and Jesus himself with their MAGA beliefs? Who knows, but they know they really don’t like women who want abortions and trans people.

There’s quite a few MAGA Catholics on the highest court of the land.

These people are Catholics in name only, just as many MAGA are Christians in name only.

Jesus' family were immigrants and refugees. He preached about welcoming the stranger, and loving thy neighbor, who is not just John next door.

Jesus's family went home after the danger passed. Something our "refugees" will never do.

So, you agree that we should welcome the refugees and treat them well?

It's weird that you are using religion to advocate/pressure others into agreeing with your political views. Catholic teachings are also strictly anti abortion and anti contraception. Are you willing to ban women's reproductive health as well? Or are you a hypocrite?

DP... In my opinion, it's a far greater hypocrisy and affront to Christianity to be anti-abortion and anti-contraception while ignoring the core teachings of Christ where it comes to taking care of the sick, the poor, the elderly, refugees and the marginalized, and showing compassion. Christ explicitly taught those values, and his command was clear, whereas he was silent on the areas of abortion and contraception.

Supporting access to abortion and contraception while being in favor of compassion and taking care of the sick and the poor and refugees diverges from Church doctrine (which has changed over time where it comes to abortion and contraception), but is still aligned to Gospel ethos and core teachings of Christ, whereas the opposite is not true. Claiming to be "pro-life" and only caring about abortion and contraception while ignoring the suffering of the marginalized and people in need (and leaving them to die from hunger or illness or persecution) contradicts the holistic ethic of life and dignity directly commanded and taught by Christ in the Gospels.

We are not discussing your opinion. We are discussing the positions of the catholic church and words of the pope.

? Are you saying the Catholic church shouldn't follow Christ's teaching, and that their doctrine is above Christ's teachings?

I'm confused.

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Anonymous wrote:I think many Catholics agree with this.

The MAGA split in the US Catholic church is going to be interesting.

If the Pope keeps it up I give it 6 months before someone in the Trump administration calls him leftist, communist, woke, enemy, or the like.

MAGA evangelicals don't really consider Catholics to be "Christian" in the way they are. It's not like they care what the highest Catholic cleric says.

There are a lot of MAGA Catholics. How do they reconcile the words of Pope Leo, Pope Francis and Jesus himself with their MAGA beliefs? Who knows, but they know they really don’t like women who want abortions and trans people.

There’s quite a few MAGA Catholics on the highest court of the land.

These people are Catholics in name only, just as many MAGA are Christians in name only.

Jesus' family were immigrants and refugees. He preached about welcoming the stranger, and loving thy neighbor, who is not just John next door.

Jesus's family went home after the danger passed. Something our "refugees" will never do.

So, you agree that we should welcome the refugees and treat them well?

It's weird that you are using religion to advocate/pressure others into agreeing with your political views. Catholic teachings are also strictly anti abortion and anti contraception. Are you willing to ban women's reproductive health as well? Or are you a hypocrite?

DP... In my opinion, it's a far greater hypocrisy and affront to Christianity to be anti-abortion and anti-contraception while ignoring the core teachings of Christ where it comes to taking care of the sick, the poor, the elderly, refugees and the marginalized, and showing compassion. Christ explicitly taught those values, and his command was clear, whereas he was silent on the areas of abortion and contraception.

Supporting access to abortion and contraception while being in favor of compassion and taking care of the sick and the poor and refugees diverges from Church doctrine (which has changed over time where it comes to abortion and contraception), but is still aligned to Gospel ethos and core teachings of Christ, whereas the opposite is not true. Claiming to be "pro-life" and only caring about abortion and contraception while ignoring the suffering of the marginalized and people in need (and leaving them to die from hunger or illness or persecution) contradicts the holistic ethic of life and dignity directly commanded and taught by Christ in the Gospels.

We are not discussing your opinion. We are discussing the positions of the catholic church and words of the pope.

Well, the words of the Pope are to treat immigrants as Christ would have - to love and take care of them.

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Anonymous wrote:I think many Catholics agree with this.

The MAGA split in the US Catholic church is going to be interesting.

If the Pope keeps it up I give it 6 months before someone in the Trump administration calls him leftist, communist, woke, enemy, or the like.

MAGA evangelicals don't really consider Catholics to be "Christian" in the way they are. It's not like they care what the highest Catholic cleric says.

There are a lot of MAGA Catholics. How do they reconcile the words of Pope Leo, Pope Francis and Jesus himself with their MAGA beliefs? Who knows, but they know they really don’t like women who want abortions and trans people.

I know some MAGA Catholics who, while Pope Francis was alive, said they didn't think Jesuits were "real Catholics." I am praying for a schism.

Which is incredibly funny since Gorsuch and Kavanaugh went to Jesuit high schools, and Scalia all went to both a Jesuit high school and then to Georgetown (also Jesuit).

Exactly. Many Catholic priests believe they are progressive, but the fact that they shore up the regressive social norms and backwards belief of the Catholic Church means they churn out conservatives.

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Anonymous wrote:I think many Catholics agree with this.

The MAGA split in the US Catholic church is going to be interesting.

If the Pope keeps it up I give it 6 months before someone in the Trump administration calls him leftist, communist, woke, enemy, or the like.

MAGA evangelicals don't really consider Catholics to be "Christian" in the way they are. It's not like they care what the highest Catholic cleric says.

There are a lot of MAGA Catholics. How do they reconcile the words of Pope Leo, Pope Francis and Jesus himself with their MAGA beliefs? Who knows, but they know they really don’t like women who want abortions and trans people.

There’s quite a few MAGA Catholics on the highest court of the land.

These people are Catholics in name only, just as many MAGA are Christians in name only.

Jesus' family were immigrants and refugees. He preached about welcoming the stranger, and loving thy neighbor, who is not just John next door.

Jesus's family went home after the danger passed. Something our "refugees" will never do.

So, you agree that we should welcome the refugees and treat them well?

It's weird that you are using religion to advocate/pressure others into agreeing with your political views. Catholic teachings are also strictly anti abortion and anti contraception. Are you willing to ban women's reproductive health as well? Or are you a hypocrite?

DP... In my opinion, it's a far greater hypocrisy and affront to Christianity to be anti-abortion and anti-contraception while ignoring the core teachings of Christ where it comes to taking care of the sick, the poor, the elderly, refugees and the marginalized, and showing compassion. Christ explicitly taught those values, and his command was clear, whereas he was silent on the areas of abortion and contraception.

Supporting access to abortion and contraception while being in favor of compassion and taking care of the sick and the poor and refugees diverges from Church doctrine (which has changed over time where it comes to abortion and contraception), but is still aligned to Gospel ethos and core teachings of Christ, whereas the opposite is not true. Claiming to be "pro-life" and only caring about abortion and contraception while ignoring the suffering of the marginalized and people in need (and leaving them to die from hunger or illness or persecution) contradicts the holistic ethic of life and dignity directly commanded and taught by Christ in the Gospels.

We are not discussing your opinion. We are discussing the positions of the catholic church and words of the pope.

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Anonymous wrote:I think many Catholics agree with this.

The MAGA split in the US Catholic church is going to be interesting.

If the Pope keeps it up I give it 6 months before someone in the Trump administration calls him leftist, communist, woke, enemy, or the like.

MAGA evangelicals don't really consider Catholics to be "Christian" in the way they are. It's not like they care what the highest Catholic cleric says.

There are a lot of MAGA Catholics. How do they reconcile the words of Pope Leo, Pope Francis and Jesus himself with their MAGA beliefs? Who knows, but they know they really don’t like women who want abortions and trans people.

There’s quite a few MAGA Catholics on the highest court of the land.

These people are Catholics in name only, just as many MAGA are Christians in name only.

Jesus' family were immigrants and refugees. He preached about welcoming the stranger, and loving thy neighbor, who is not just John next door.

Jesus's family went home after the danger passed. Something our "refugees" will never do.

So, you agree that we should welcome the refugees and treat them well?

It's weird that you are using religion to advocate/pressure others into agreeing with your political views. Catholic teachings are also strictly anti abortion and anti contraception. Are you willing to ban women's reproductive health as well? Or are you a hypocrite?

DP... In my opinion, it's a far greater hypocrisy and affront to Christianity to be anti-abortion and anti-contraception while ignoring the core teachings of Christ where it comes to taking care of the sick, the poor, the elderly, refugees and the marginalized, and showing compassion. Christ explicitly taught those values, and his command was clear, whereas he was silent on the areas of abortion and contraception.

Supporting access to abortion and contraception while being in favor of compassion and taking care of the sick and the poor and refugees diverges from Church doctrine (which has changed over time where it comes to abortion and contraception), but is still aligned to Gospel ethos and core teachings of Christ, whereas the opposite is not true. Claiming to be "pro-life" and only caring about abortion and contraception while ignoring the suffering of the marginalized and people in need (and leaving them to die from hunger or illness or persecution) contradicts the holistic ethic of life and dignity directly commanded and taught by Christ in the Gospels.

We are not discussing your opinion. We are discussing the positions of the catholic church and words of the pope.

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Anonymous wrote:I think many Catholics agree with this.

The MAGA split in the US Catholic church is going to be interesting.

If the Pope keeps it up I give it 6 months before someone in the Trump administration calls him leftist, communist, woke, enemy, or the like.

MAGA evangelicals don't really consider Catholics to be "Christian" in the way they are. It's not like they care what the highest Catholic cleric says.

There are a lot of MAGA Catholics. How do they reconcile the words of Pope Leo, Pope Francis and Jesus himself with their MAGA beliefs? Who knows, but they know they really don’t like women who want abortions and trans people.

There’s quite a few MAGA Catholics on the highest court of the land.

These people are Catholics in name only, just as many MAGA are Christians in name only.

Jesus' family were immigrants and refugees. He preached about welcoming the stranger, and loving thy neighbor, who is not just John next door.

Jesus's family went home after the danger passed. Something our "refugees" will never do.

So, you agree that we should welcome the refugees and treat them well?

It's weird that you are using religion to advocate/pressure others into agreeing with your political views. Catholic teachings are also strictly anti abortion and anti contraception. Are you willing to ban women's reproductive health as well? Or are you a hypocrite?

DP... In my opinion, it's a far greater hypocrisy and affront to Christianity to be anti-abortion and anti-contraception while ignoring the core teachings of Christ where it comes to taking care of the sick, the poor, the elderly, refugees and the marginalized, and showing compassion. Christ explicitly taught those values, and his command was clear, whereas he was silent on the areas of abortion and contraception.

Supporting access to abortion and contraception while being in favor of compassion and taking care of the sick and the poor and refugees diverges from Church doctrine (which has changed over time where it comes to abortion and contraception), but is still aligned to Gospel ethos and core teachings of Christ, whereas the opposite is not true. Claiming to be "pro-life" and only caring about abortion and contraception while ignoring the suffering of the marginalized and people in need (and leaving them to die from hunger or illness or persecution) contradicts the holistic ethic of life and dignity directly commanded and taught by Christ in the Gospels.

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Anonymous wrote:I think many Catholics agree with this.

The MAGA split in the US Catholic church is going to be interesting.

If the Pope keeps it up I give it 6 months before someone in the Trump administration calls him leftist, communist, woke, enemy, or the like.

MAGA evangelicals don't really consider Catholics to be "Christian" in the way they are. It's not like they care what the highest Catholic cleric says.

There are a lot of MAGA Catholics. How do they reconcile the words of Pope Leo, Pope Francis and Jesus himself with their MAGA beliefs? Who knows, but they know they really don’t like women who want abortions and trans people.

There’s quite a few MAGA Catholics on the highest court of the land.

These people are Catholics in name only, just as many MAGA are Christians in name only.

Jesus' family were immigrants and refugees. He preached about welcoming the stranger, and loving thy neighbor, who is not just John next door.

Jesus's family went home after the danger passed. Something our "refugees" will never do.

So, you agree that we should welcome the refugees and treat them well?

It's weird that you are using religion to advocate/pressure others into agreeing with your political views. Catholic teachings are also strictly anti abortion and anti contraception. Are you willing to ban women's reproductive health as well? Or are you a hypocrite?

DP... In my opinion, it's a far greater hypocrisy and affront to Christianity to be anti-abortion and anti-contraception while ignoring the core teachings of Christ where it comes to taking care of the sick, the poor, the elderly, refugees and the marginalized, and showing compassion. Christ explicitly taught those values, and his command was clear, whereas he was silent on the areas of abortion and contraception.

Supporting access to abortion and contraception while being in favor of compassion and taking care of the sick and the poor and refugees diverges from Church doctrine (which has changed over time where it comes to abortion and contraception), but is still aligned to Gospel ethos and core teachings of Christ, whereas the opposite is not true. Claiming to be "pro-life" and only caring about abortion and contraception while ignoring the suffering of the marginalized and people in need (and leaving them to die from hunger or illness or persecution) contradicts the holistic ethic of life and dignity directly commanded and taught by Christ in the Gospels.

Anonymous wrote:He also blessed a chunk of ice, so there’s that.

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Anonymous wrote:I think many Catholics agree with this.

The MAGA split in the US Catholic church is going to be interesting.

If the Pope keeps it up I give it 6 months before someone in the Trump administration calls him leftist, communist, woke, enemy, or the like.

MAGA evangelicals don't really consider Catholics to be "Christian" in the way they are. It's not like they care what the highest Catholic cleric says.

There are a lot of MAGA Catholics. How do they reconcile the words of Pope Leo, Pope Francis and Jesus himself with their MAGA beliefs? Who knows, but they know they really don’t like women who want abortions and trans people.

There’s quite a few MAGA Catholics on the highest court of the land.

These people are Catholics in name only, just as many MAGA are Christians in name only.

Jesus' family were immigrants and refugees. He preached about welcoming the stranger, and loving thy neighbor, who is not just John next door.

Jesus's family went home after the danger passed. Something our "refugees" will never do.

So, you agree that we should welcome the refugees and treat them well?

It's weird that you are using religion to advocate/pressure others into agreeing with your political views. Catholic teachings are also strictly anti abortion and anti contraception. Are you willing to ban women's reproductive health as well? Or are you a hypocrite?

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Anonymous wrote:I think many Catholics agree with this.

The MAGA split in the US Catholic church is going to be interesting.

If the Pope keeps it up I give it 6 months before someone in the Trump administration calls him leftist, communist, woke, enemy, or the like.

MAGA evangelicals don't really consider Catholics to be "Christian" in the way they are. It's not like they care what the highest Catholic cleric says.

There are a lot of MAGA Catholics. How do they reconcile the words of Pope Leo, Pope Francis and Jesus himself with their MAGA beliefs? Who knows, but they know they really don’t like women who want abortions and trans people.

There’s quite a few MAGA Catholics on the highest court of the land.

These people are Catholics in name only, just as many MAGA are Christians in name only.

Jesus' family were immigrants and refugees. He preached about welcoming the stranger, and loving thy neighbor, who is not just John next door.

Jesus's family went home after the danger passed. Something our "refugees" will never do.

So, you agree that we should welcome the refugees and treat them well?