Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does physical and or sexual abuse happen within the system as a part of the initiation etc, or is this an out-dated concern? I'm thinking beatings (hazing), forced drinking, and God knows what else.
Across the whole USA those things do happen some of the time at some universities. Anyone who says they never happen now is confused.
DCUM will not agree on whether any of those are common, which fraternities or universities are worse, or such like.
Parents having concerns is reasonable.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was in an SEC sorority as were many of my friends and I can confidently report that hazing is incredibly rare. Sororities do NOT eff around with that because nationals will have your head if it gets back to them. We were basically showered with gifts instead.
Fraternities…different story
No hazing except for the list of men you had to sleep with from the frats with close ties.
Anonymous wrote:Does physical and or sexual abuse happen within the system as a part of the initiation etc, or is this an out-dated concern? I'm thinking beatings (hazing), forced drinking, and God knows what else.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Also, hazing isn’t common at all among sororities. It’s the fraternities where this tradition unfortunately lives on.
Sororities never pressure candidates to have sex with actives/candidates from favored fraternities?
Mom never finds out about that, so she can confidently say there is no hazing.
You people were clearly not Greek. No this doesn’t happen.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Also, hazing isn’t common at all among sororities. It’s the fraternities where this tradition unfortunately lives on.
Sororities never pressure candidates to have sex with actives/candidates from favored fraternities?
Mom never finds out about that, so she can confidently say there is no hazing.
Anonymous wrote:I was in an SEC sorority as were many of my friends and I can confidently report that hazing is incredibly rare. Sororities do NOT eff around with that because nationals will have your head if it gets back to them. We were basically showered with gifts instead.
Fraternities…different story
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. It’s all secretive, the rituals and the hazing.
Yes. For the sororities, expect at a minimum for your daughter to have to get naked in font of her sisters on several occasions as a form of hazing. It’s all sworn to secrecy.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kids were Greek at UVA never personally experienced hazing at any time. My DS chose a fraternity that was known for not hazing and yes there were definitely some houses that did haze and subsequently got in trouble (kicked off). So the answer is yes it still happens but not in every chapter.
I'm not arguing, but I do know I did not tell my mother about any hazing that was done to me or that I did to others.
"We don't do that stuff," I told her. And I even believed it. I wasn't being hazed, I was having fun! Those other houses THEY haze, because they're dbags. I'm drinking this handle of Jack Daniels that has been duct-taped to my hands because I'm a cool guy and my cool new friends should see that.
Anonymous wrote:I'm NOT looking for specific schools or frats/sororities. NOT looking to debate pros/cons. I'm unfamiliar with the system and my kid may be interested (in future, don't even know specific "house"). So my specific question is...Does physical and or sexual abuse happen within the system as a part of the initiation etc, or is this an out-dated concern? I'm thinking beatings (hazing), forced drinking, and God knows what else. I would be thrilled to be told I'm ridiculous to worry about this...but it rattles around in the back of my head and I'd like to have an idea if this is a real concern or not. Thank you.
Anonymous wrote:Yes, of course.
And it happens outside of frats.
My college banned frats for hazing and then found the various clubs picked up the slack... the theater society or whatever it was was vicious—it was different vicious, no dog cages and elephant walks, but it was cruel, involved drugs, alcohol, sexual humiliation and sleep deprivation.
Hell, I was the editor in chief of the student paper and we hazed the shit out of freshmen writers.
18-22 kids who are offered power/freedom from adult supervision are very mean to newbies.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kids were Greek at UVA never personally experienced hazing at any time. My DS chose a fraternity that was known for not hazing and yes there were definitely some houses that did haze and subsequently got in trouble (kicked off). So the answer is yes it still happens but not in every chapter.
My DS left his fraternity at UVA because of the hazing and dangerous alcohol-related behavior generally.
UVA is the WORST for Greek hazing.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Of course.
Kids die every year.
Especially in the south. And students who go Greek have a greater risk of many other I safety hazards—from rape to accidents.
(According to scientific studies, not my bias)
It's already been established that many of the WORST schools for frat hazing are in the northeast. So your narrative about the south being worse is simply false.