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Anonymous wrote:As long as you have high stats, I wouldn’t worry about it. It’s an admit whether or not you write about it.

It could be a reason not to admit though? If TO? And biracial?

This year TO becomes highly controversial. The TO admit has to be super strong elsewhere this year.

They always had to be. No one is being admitted with low grades and without extraordinary accomplishments TO. At least not in T20 in our experience.

By extraordinary, do you mean URM?

I love the smell of rage bait in the morning

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Anonymous wrote:As long as you have high stats, I wouldn’t worry about it. It’s an admit whether or not you write about it.

It could be a reason not to admit though? If TO? And biracial?

This year TO becomes highly controversial. The TO admit has to be super strong elsewhere this year.

They always had to be. No one is being admitted with low grades and without extraordinary accomplishments TO. At least not in T20 in our experience.

By extraordinary, do you mean URM?

lol, try harder. statistically it means athletics. by a factor of about x100.

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Anonymous wrote:As long as you have high stats, I wouldn’t worry about it. It’s an admit whether or not you write about it.

It could be a reason not to admit though? If TO? And biracial?

This year TO becomes highly controversial. The TO admit has to be super strong elsewhere this year.

They always had to be. No one is being admitted with low grades and without extraordinary accomplishments TO. At least not in T20 in our experience.

By extraordinary, do you mean URM?

Anonymous wrote:The only thing where AN may have it right is if a student is applying TO or has scores that are below the middle 50% of a university. I posted earlier that my kid openly spoke about ethnicity in her essays, but she has a 35 ACT, strong rigor, and top 10% of class. I don't think the talk about ethnicity will hurt her in the least, and if anything, it might help.

I'm the "zero sense" person and this I agree with. if your test scores aren't within 10-20 points of their 50% (ie won't "hurt" the college), do not include any race at all.

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Anonymous wrote:We are checking race box after we did not for prior child. Transparency is what they want …

The race boxes don't matter. The application review portal used by AOs does not display the boxes.

Exactly. The pp is an idiot.

You don't seem to understand why people want transparency

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Anonymous wrote:We are checking race box after we did not for prior child. Transparency is what they want …

The race boxes don't matter. The application review portal used by AOs does not display the boxes.

It does for the reporting.

Anonymous wrote:The only thing where AN may have it right is if a student is applying TO or has scores that are below the middle 50% of a university. I posted earlier that my kid openly spoke about ethnicity in her essays, but she has a 35 ACT, strong rigor, and top 10% of class. I don't think the talk about ethnicity will hurt her in the least, and if anything, it might help.

Yes this is it…
Do not talk about it at all if there’s any weakness at all in the stats.

The only thing where AN may have it right is if a student is applying TO or has scores that are below the middle 50% of a university. I posted earlier that my kid openly spoke about ethnicity in her essays, but she has a 35 ACT, strong rigor, and top 10% of class. I don't think the talk about ethnicity will hurt her in the least, and if anything, it might help.

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it is odd and confusing. My son has read his friends essays from this past cycle (class of 2025) and their essays talked very openly about their race and ethnicity. These kids are at Ivies - so it was definitely ok last year to talk about your race. I'm also on Application Nation, and Sara Harberson is dead set against it, which makes me wonder if I'm missing something.

Love Sara, but some of her advice made me raise my eyebrows. I don’t think many kids in DC’s year did that well.

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Anonymous wrote:Hearing many private counselors are advising not to mention anything about racial, ethic or religious identity in common app essay given current Trump admin oversight and general cautiousness in college GC office.

Do we agree?

App Nation (Sara Harberson) isn't "approving" any personal essay topics related to heritage/identity. I've seen TikToks from other private counselors (influencers) as well advising to stay away from these topics as much as humanly possible.
Don't think it makes sense to do that now.

Is Application Nation becoming cultish? Like the message is to ignore common sense, what colleges say, and what other college counselors say.

I don’t know of any college counselor that is encouraging kids to talk about their racial identity right now - for T10/T20.

BS. How do you or anyone know what counselors are recommending. My kid is sharing ethnicity info and it is beautiful and entertaining. Counselor loves it. Hope it bumps some whitewashed applications.

AOs emphasize voice and authenticity, and it sounds like your kid has it.

Yes, it is odd and confusing. My son has read his friends essays from this past cycle (class of 2025) and their essays talked very openly about their race and ethnicity. These kids are at Ivies - so it was definitely ok last year to talk about your race. I'm also on Application Nation, and Sara Harberson is dead set against it, which makes me wonder if I'm missing something.

this makes zero sense to me.

Stephen millier's minions are not reading essays or looking at activities sections.

They are simple minded.

They are interested in seeing
White - avg GPA. avg SAT
Black - avg GPA .. avg SAT

and if the black admits have SATs lower than whites, they'll say it's anti-white somehow.

colleges will LOVE kids who signal black or hispanic race in essay or affinity membership AND deliver a 1530.

that's my feeling.

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Anonymous wrote:Hearing many private counselors are advising not to mention anything about racial, ethic or religious identity in common app essay given current Trump admin oversight and general cautiousness in college GC office.

Do we agree?

App Nation (Sara Harberson) isn't "approving" any personal essay topics related to heritage/identity. I've seen TikToks from other private counselors (influencers) as well advising to stay away from these topics as much as humanly possible.
Don't think it makes sense to do that now.

Is Application Nation becoming cultish? Like the message is to ignore common sense, what colleges say, and what other college counselors say.

I don’t know of any college counselor that is encouraging kids to talk about their racial identity right now - for T10/T20.

BS. How do you or anyone know what counselors are recommending. My kid is sharing ethnicity info and it is beautiful and entertaining. Counselor loves it. Hope it bumps some whitewashed applications.

There are many forms of identity. Not all identity/heritage is racial. To say that students should not talk about their heritage/identity AT ALL is a bit crazy. Can a student talk about a French grandma and how that heritage influenced her? Seriously. Personal statement needs to reflect identity which comprises of many different things.

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Anonymous wrote:Hearing many private counselors are advising not to mention anything about racial, ethic or religious identity in common app essay given current Trump admin oversight and general cautiousness in college GC office.

Do we agree?

App Nation (Sara Harberson) isn't "approving" any personal essay topics related to heritage/identity. I've seen TikToks from other private counselors (influencers) as well advising to stay away from these topics as much as humanly possible.
Don't think it makes sense to do that now.

Is Application Nation becoming cultish? Like the message is to ignore common sense, what colleges say, and what other college counselors say.

I don’t know of any college counselor that is encouraging kids to talk about their racial identity right now - for T10/T20.